Is It Time to Sue The Councils and Police for the Compensations?

London (and in other cities) riots have destroyed many businesses small and large.
Sony distribution centre was looted and burnt down, a multinational like Sony can thak sucj blow and recover soon, but what about small businesses??
I think they stand no chance of rebuilding and restart in this global resession time.

What should they do??
Is It Time to Sue The Councils and Police for the Compensations?

I believe so, the businesses should sue the The Councils and Police for the Compensations, this is the only way to prevent such damges in the future, and will remind the councils that collect our taxes and provide policing will take necessary steps to protect not just businesses but public properties too.

How nice of you all, for not joining in.

This is one of the most idiotic threads of all time.

Sue the police for the damage that the community has caused on itself?

The reason why no one joined in is because your thread is ludicrous. You are just showing yourself up as having not any clue. In fact, if this is what you truly believe, you are no better than the thieves running around at large.

Let me explain it to you:

Riff raff breaks into shop and steals stuff.

Shop owner suffers financial loss

Shop owner sues council/police/Queen/ God

Council pay out

All tax payers foot the bill

Who doesnt pay the tax? Well the riff raff who stole the stuff in the first place.


You truly have no clue.

Hobo wrote:This is one of the most idiotic threads of all time.

Sue the police for the damage that the community has caused on itself?

The reason why no one joined in is because your thread is ludicrous. You are just showing yourself up as having not any clue. In fact, if this is what you truly believe, you are no better than the thieves running around at large.

Let me explain it to you:

Riff raff breaks into shop and steals stuff.

Shop owner suffers financial loss

Shop owner sues council/police/Queen/ God

Council pay out

All tax payers foot the bill

Who doesnt pay the tax? Well the riff raff who stole the stuff in the first place.

You truly have no clue.

Sorry Hobo,
I am shocked to learn from you that the tax payers have no right to demand the services they pay taxes for.
Please tell me who provides money for annual budget to each city councils??
who is resposible for yours, mine, and others safety on the streets?
and who provides money to local police??
and what is wrong in suing the service provider for failing to deliver?

This may sound a novel or a stupid idea to you, but not to others.

activereactive wrote:
This may sound a novel or a stupid idea to you, but not to others.

I think the lack of responses proves it's a stupid idea.

nottins wrote:

activereactive wrote:
This may sound a novel or a stupid idea to you, but not to others.

I think the lack of responses proves it's a stupid idea.

novel and stupid sounding ideas always lacked enough reponses.

We agree to disagree (and move on)

Hobo wrote:This is one of the most idiotic threads of all time.

Sue the police for the damage that the community has caused on itself?

The reason why no one joined in is because your thread is ludicrous. You are just showing yourself up as having not any clue. In fact, if this is what you truly believe, you are no better than the thieves running around at large.

Let me explain it to you:

Riff raff breaks into shop and steals stuff.

Shop owner suffers financial loss

Shop owner sues council/police/Queen/ God

Council pay out

All tax payers foot the bill

Who doesnt pay the tax? Well the riff raff who stole the stuff in the first place.


You truly have no clue.

This.

100% this.

Actually my stupid adea is being picked up by many, I was listening to Robin Lustig on Radio 4 The World Tonight, he was discussing the posibilities of this idea, with an expert, she actually said "yes it is possible, but that may bancrupt police funds"

You can listen again on Podcast on BBC Radio 4, website, The World Tonight 10th Aug. 22:14pm onwrads bits.
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Insurance bill for riot damage to shops and homes to be paid for by police authorities under 1886 act

Damage to both domestic and business property is likely to be picked up by police authorities, in particular the Metropolitan police authority, under the provisions of the Riots (Damages) Act 1886, which specifies that where damage is caused by people "riotously and tumultuously assembled", local police authorities are required to compensate victims.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=7&sqi=2&ved=0CEkQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fuk%2F2011%2Faug%2F09%2Fuk-riots-cost-taxpayer-100-million&ei=YPtCTtXwHoGwhQe6vtm7CQ&usg=AFQjCNHXc6Uww11B_pJceBM1oQPFNUZf4g

I have got it guys, please listen the bits 20:00 minutes onwards where an expert is backing up my idea of compenseations.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0132l7s

So you'e still saying an idea, which you're expert predicts could bankrupt police funds, funds that have already been cut and jobs already lost, is still a good idea?

Anyone know (roughly) how much it would save to cut benefits of all those that are arrested/charged for riots? I know it won't be millions, but does it even reach £10k per year?

Churchill wrote:So you'e still saying an idea, which you're expert predicts could bankrupt police funds, funds that have already been cut and jobs already lost, is still a good idea?

Anyone know (roughly) how much it would save to cut benefits of all those that are arrested/charged for riots? I know it won't be millions, but does it even reach £10k per year?

Of course it would. That's unemployment benefit for 4 people.

Churchill wrote:So you'e still saying an idea, which you're expert predicts could bankrupt police funds, funds that have already been cut and jobs already lost, is still a good idea?

Anyone know (roughly) how much it would save to cut benefits of all those that are arrested/charged for riots? I know it won't be millions, but does it even reach £10k per year?

We have allowed banks go bankrupt, the rescue them by our billions of ££, how much more bankrupt can we the tax payers go??
at least in this case we will be going bankrupt for a good casue that is the safety of you and I, and others.
and what more the councils, the police will be better equipped next time.

Riot and civil commotion are standard perils on shop, office and warehouse insurance policies. If they are insured the insurance companies pay for the damage.

Scottrf wrote:

Churchill wrote:So you'e still saying an idea, which you're expert predicts could bankrupt police funds, funds that have already been cut and jobs already lost, is still a good idea?

Anyone know (roughly) how much it would save to cut benefits of all those that are arrested/charged for riots? I know it won't be millions, but does it even reach £10k per year?

Of course it would. That's unemployment benefit for 4 people.

I meant for it to be £100k

Would people agree with cutting the benefits of those caught- or would it just send them deeper in to poverty and cause more trouble?

First step is to limit the benefits that anyone person can get.

If you are on benefits, you shouldnt be allowed to claim for more than two children. You shold be given food vouchers instead of money, although I am sure that would have an impact on scratchcard sales.

I genuinely feel sorry for people who live good lives and are on benefits. But having had to visit job centres, I can speak from experience when I say there is a large contingent who dont want to work and never will.

there are a lot of people on benefits who abuse the system and have more comfortable lives than hard working families.

And it is not this governments fault but a collective responsibility of all governments that have come before, both Torie and Labour.

The benefit system needs reviewing from top to bottom. Get the money to the people who need it and deserve it (ie those who are genuinely ill and/or have contributed to this country over the years). Stop it for people who do not want to help their communities.

Hobo wrote:First step is to limit the benefits that anyone person can get.

If you are on benefits, you shouldnt be allowed to claim for more than two children. You shold be given food vouchers instead of money, although I am sure that would have an impact on scratchcard sales.

I genuinely feel sorry for people who live good lives and are on benefits. But having had to visit job centres, I can speak from experience when I say there is a large contingent who dont want to work and never will.

there are a lot of people on benefits who abuse the system and have more comfortable lives than hard working families.

And it is not this governments fault but a collective responsibility of all governments that have come before, both Torie and Labour.

The benefit system needs reviewing from top to bottom. Get the money to the people who need it and deserve it (ie those who are genuinely ill and/or have contributed to this country over the years). Stop it for people who do not want to help their communities.

We ahve a good news, MP Grant Shapps the housing minister, on Sky news chanel has said he is gonna try and bring in the bill that would deny the criminals convicted of riots and looting any hosing benefits.

Hosing benefits?

Wont someone thing of the gardens?

activereactive wrote:

Hobo wrote:First step is to limit the benefits that anyone person can get.

If you are on benefits, you shouldnt be allowed to claim for more than two children. You shold be given food vouchers instead of money, although I am sure that would have an impact on scratchcard sales.

I genuinely feel sorry for people who live good lives and are on benefits. But having had to visit job centres, I can speak from experience when I say there is a large contingent who dont want to work and never will.

there are a lot of people on benefits who abuse the system and have more comfortable lives than hard working families.

And it is not this governments fault but a collective responsibility of all governments that have come before, both Torie and Labour.

The benefit system needs reviewing from top to bottom. Get the money to the people who need it and deserve it (ie those who are genuinely ill and/or have contributed to this country over the years). Stop it for people who do not want to help their communities.

We ahve a good news, MP Grant Shapps the housing minister, on Sky news chanel has said he is gonna try and bring in the bill that would deny the criminals convicted of riots and looting any hosing benefits.

How do they expect people to be able to afford to water their plants?!

Hobo wrote:Hosing benefits?

Wont someone thing of the gardens?

??

Axing Benefits
STORY LINK

Can't post the link to the e-petition, referred to in the article, as the directgov site is slooooooow

PenfroPete wrote:Axing Benefits
STORY LINK

Can't post the link to the e-petition, referred to in the article, as the directgov site is slooooooow

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337

Scottrf wrote:

PenfroPete wrote:Axing Benefits
STORY LINK

Can't post the link to the e-petition, referred to in the article, as the directgov site is slooooooow

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337

Close to 100,000 already. How many does a petition need for it to be taken seriously by those in charge?

Churchill wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

PenfroPete wrote:Axing Benefits
STORY LINK

Can't post the link to the e-petition, referred to in the article, as the directgov site is slooooooow

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337

Close to 100,000 already. How many does a petition need for it to be taken seriously by those in charge?

100,000.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337

This is the link. There really is a lot of anger towards the looters at the moment, I wonder if this will be the kick the government needs to sort out the benefits system once and for all?

activereactive wrote:

How nice of you all, for not joining in.

Probably the dumb title put people off initially.

:facepalm:


If anyone should be paying compensation its the mindless idiots who caused the carnage in the first place.

I read somewhere that a plan was put forward to cut the benefits of everyone involved in the riots. Given the number of people involved, that might just save the councils enough money to clear up the mess and go a little way towards compensating the shop owners who had their livelihoods wrecked.

Hobo wrote:First step is to limit the benefits that anyone person can get.

If you are on benefits, you shouldnt be allowed to claim for more than two children. You shold be given food vouchers instead of money, although I am sure that would have an impact on scratchcard sales.

I genuinely feel sorry for people who live good lives and are on benefits. But having had to visit job centres, I can speak from experience when I say there is a large contingent who dont want to work and never will.

there are a lot of people on benefits who abuse the system and have more comfortable lives than hard working families.

And it is not this governments fault but a collective responsibility of all governments that have come before, both Torie and Labour.

The benefit system needs reviewing from top to bottom. Get the money to the people who need it and deserve it (ie those who are genuinely ill and/or have contributed to this country over the years). Stop it for people who do not want to help their communities.

Amen to that Hobo.

If the press is to be believed, people who cheat the benefits system can rake in considerably more than many honest, hard-working people can earn in a year. I've seen figures of £30k plus bandied about - a lot more than many civil servants and NHS staff earn and certainly more than a lot of personnel in our armed forces make.

More than I earn too.

Welfare reforms can't come soon enough for me. The lazy scroungers must be weeded out.

Hobo wrote:Hosing benefits?

Wont someone thing of the gardens?

Hosing benefits?

My apologies