England - RWC 11

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England Rugby

Coach: Carlton5
Squad Size: 25/30
Budget: £14m

England's Squad

Hookers
Dylan Hartley
Steve Thompson

Props
Dan Cole
Gurthro Steenkamp
Andrew Sheridan
Brian Mujati

Locks
Louis Deacon
Courtney Lawes
Tom Palmer

Flankers
Tom Croft
James Haskell
Lewis Moody
Fulgence Ouedraego
Nick Easter

Scrum-Halfs
Joe Simpson
Ben Youngs

Fly-Halfs
Toby Flood
David Skrela

Centre
Shontayne Hape
Mike Tindall
David Marty

Wing
Mark Cueto
Chris Ashton
Sitiveni Sivivatu

Full-Backs
Ben Foden

Strongest Line Up

----- 1. G. Steenkamp --------- 2. D. Hartley ---------- 3. D. Cole ----
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----------------- 4. C. Lawes --------- 5. T. Palmer -----------------
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-- 6. T. Croft ------------ 8. N. Easter ------------ 7. F.Ouedraego --
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------------------------------------ 9. B. Youngs -----------------
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----------------------------- 10. T. Flood --------------------------
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--------------------- 12. M. Tindall -------------------------------
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--------- 13. D. Marty -------------------------------------
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-- 14. C. Ashton ------------------------------ 11. S. Sivivatu --
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-------------------------- 15. B. Foden -----------------------------

Subs:
16. S. Thompson, 17. A. Sheridan, 18. L. Deacon, 19. J. Haskell, 20. J. Simpson, 21. J. Wilkinson, 22. M. Cueto

Hape is rated too low for me to do that

carlton5 wrote:Elsom + Beale + Higginbotham + Simmons
for
Croft + Foden + Easter + Palmer

You said you wanted to keep Sonny Bill Williams yet you sold him, Foden is up there with the best full-backs in the World.

You have to lose good players, you of all people know that by now.

You don't HAVE to lose good players. You lose them if you get good players back.

You've said before that Croft = Elsom. We than have:

Foden < Beale
Easter < Higginbotham (more versatile on the bench)
Palmer > Simmons (but on bench so not bothered)

It's not something I'm interested in.

Most I can see is

Croft + Haskell
=
Higginbotham + Elsom

enq.

You don't start Haskell! I lost SBW, yes, but look at the players I got in - Du Plessis, Botha and Matfield. World beaters.

Do you not understand the difference there?

Bismark for Hartley
Domingo for Steenkamp
Matfield or Botha for Lawes
Pocock for Ouedraego
Parisse for Easter

Are you kidding?

My players are better in every example. Why would I just give you a player that is better?

The only players I'm interested in are Croft and Ashton, and for them I'd offer Elsom and Mitchell, two world class players. Not much else I can do.

Cole + Foden + Tindall
=
Census + Nacewa + Mermoz

Enq

Nacewa worse than Foden?! Nacewa probably the best and most consistent FB of the past season. At least equal mate.

I'd have him at least on a par with Foden. Granted not as pacy as Beale, JOC or Dagg. But still much better than you make out.

Jane + Cusiter + Brown + Castro
for
Sivivatu + Youngs + Croft + Cole

Cencus + Nacewa + Rees + Pierre + Heymans
=
Cole + Foden + Thompson + Palmer + Cueto

Enq

Well if you're unhappy with that, how about you post your thoughts in an offer. You can see the players that I am interested in.

Kearney + Heymans + Mermoz + Cullen
=
Foden + Ashton + Tindall + Palmer

Enq

Kearney + Heymans + Mermoz
=
Foden + Ashton + Tindall

Enq

Kearney + Heymans + Mermoz + Cencus + Williams/Russouw
=
Foden + Ashton + Tindall + Cole + Palmer

Enq

Croft + Ashton + Thompson
=
Fainga'a + Elsom + Mitchell

enq.

I'm only really interested in Foden from you sorry.

Croft + Ashton + Thompson
=
Fainga'a + Elsom + Mitchell

Hardly any comparisons between them.

OK, so are you intetrested?

Something for Pocock, O'Connor or Beale or nothing Pull.

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Nothing then. You need to be more realistic in your targets.

Pocock, O'Connor or Beale it's not like that I don't have the players to tempt them away.

Ashton, Foden, Croft

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I guess it's down to personal opinion but I think:

Pocock > Croft
JOC > Ashton
Beale > Foden

What would the gain be? There aren't really any players I want other than Croft and Ashton.

Kaino + Lemi + Toeava
=
Croft + Ashton + Foden

Enq

You can't just not deal with me' to prove a point that's not fair on me'. And this continual crusade makes you sound worse and worse by the second.

And for arguments sake;

Kaino (>)> Croft
Lemi < Ashton
Toeava (>) = Foden

Cueto's a fullback too

Why buy a new fullback. And ones that is injured a lot too.

All fairness I see it as

Kaino > Croft
Lemi << Ashton
Toeava > Foden

If you've actually watched any of the RWC you'll have see that Kaino has probably been the best BS minus ferris/SOB. Toeava one of the better wingers despite Kahui and Lemi has done brilliantly for Samoa.