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Post by Portnoy on Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:47 pm

Just on contribution to recent and historic performance over the past 100+ years.

So excluding all but the 'chokers' RWC winners, which country has earned an RWC win just on contribution to the game?

And to confess my own prejudice I include NZ in the vote.

(But I haven't voted for them - I went for Wales)

Edit I changed my mind - I'm now for France. Sorry.


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Post by Biltong on Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:51 pm

None of the above, us of course.
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Post by Bullsbok on Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:53 pm

cmon how bout the Bokke we've annoyed fans worldwide over the years Cool
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Post by rodders on Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:54 pm

Sorry Portnoy I can't vote for any of them because you only deserve a RWC trophy by winning the competition.

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Post by OzT on Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:55 pm

Defo the aussies, for showing how to win matches without a forward pack and a reliable kicker...

As between the Tasmin and Coral Seas, the east coast of Australia touches the South Pacific Ocean, does that make Oz a Pacific Island also???

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Post by Biltong on Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:56 pm

Bullsbok wrote:cmon how bout the Bokke we've annoyed fans worldwide over the years Cool

Yeah, I agree, we have entertained crowds all over the world, we got them angry at our bullies, we gave them ample material to write negative articles that would be discussed for ages.

The other side of the coin bullsbok, we bored them to death for over a century with our gameplan. Whistle
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Post by Portnoy on Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:56 pm

biltongbek wrote:None of the above, us of course.

In what way does SA deserve a further RWC win Billong?

Certainly no more than any other previous winner.
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Post by Biltong on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:00 pm

Portnoy wrote:
biltongbek wrote:None of the above, us of course.

In what way does SA deserve a further RWC win Billong?

Certainly no more than any other previous winner.

Becuase inherently we are nice people, ( yeah i know you dont believe that), we are generous, we love nature, we have beautiful woman, and we realy want to be the first country to win three RWC's and be the first to win back to back trophies, and be the first country outside New Zealand to win it in New Zealand, and becasue if we don't win it and New Zealand does then what are people going to rag the All Blacks about. Think of it as a community service.
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Post by Bullsbok on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:01 pm

and any country that has put up with Div and his mechanics and tutu,ballet ,lions in the bushveld stories for 4 years needs a shiny reward laughing
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Post by OzT on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:03 pm

biltong, much as I like and get on with the saffas, sorry mate, but WE want to be the first to win it 3 times.

And think about it, if you guys win it 3 times by itself that's not too bad, we can aim to be the 1st to win it 4 times. But then we wlil have to play and win for 8 years to also break the back to back winning you guys will have by winning this years.

So, on that note, I think the nice wallabies deserves to win it.

I seal my case..

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Post by Great White on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:05 pm

NZ, because you've got to feel sorry for them.

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Post by HERSH on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:05 pm

I voted for a Pacific Islands team.

Just think of all the class players that have been stolen by the All Blacks over the years to help maintain the myth surrounding them furious

I'd love it if they did.


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Post by Portnoy on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:06 pm

biltongbek wrote:
Portnoy wrote:
biltongbek wrote:None of the above, us of course.

In what way does SA deserve a further RWC win Billong?

Certainly no more than any other previous winner.

Becuase inherently we are nice people, ( yeah i know you dont believe that), we are generous, we love nature, we have beautiful woman, and we realy want to be the first country to win three RWC's and be the first to win back to back trophies, and be the first country outside New Zealand to win it in New Zealand, and becasue if we don't win it and New Zealand does then what are people going to rag the All Blacks about. Think of it as a community service.

An unconvincing argument. But you don't get to vote as I arbitrarily set the criteria.
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Post by Biltong on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:12 pm

Yeah, well, I tried.
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Post by Portnoy on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:15 pm

biltongbek wrote:Yeah, well, I tried.
Wink
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Post by andy powells minder on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:15 pm

wales are in the lead clearly, close the voting immediately!!!!!! Wink

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:16 pm

HERSH wrote:I voted for a Pacific Islands team.

Just think of all the class players that have been stolen by the All Blacks over the years. furious

I'd love it if they did.

Don't worry Hersh, this year they're getting their own back. 17 NZ-born players in the Samoan 30 Wink

Overall there's 40 NZ born players in RWC squads other than NZ's, and 4 countries (other than NZ) have a Kiwi head coach. The NZ Herald's picked a useful 1st XV (though I'm not sure I'd have picked Hape Wink )
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Post by Portnoy on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:20 pm

andy powells minder wrote:wales are in the lead clearly, close the voting immediately!!!!!! Wink

Hey andy. I voted for Wales despite thinking that the ABs deserve more than one RWC.

Don't go all Mugabe over me. Smile
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Post by beshocked on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:21 pm

Surely it has to be France? That 1999 semi final against NZ was immense.

2 finals for Les Bleus but no title.

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Post by andy powells minder on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:22 pm

All I want is a semi, is that too much to ask?

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Post by RubyGuby on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:23 pm

NZ for me Hug

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Post by disneychilly on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:24 pm

Great White wrote:NZ, because you've got to feel sorry for them.

Ha. No you shouldn't feel sorry for us. It's not hoping Georgia get a try against South Africa to make them feel a bit better about the shellacking they're receiving, it's the team that needs this to be universally recognised as the best in the world.

We'll pick up the 4 Nations next year, but really this is the only thing we cop it for, and we're going to win it again sometime. I'd say make hay while the sun shines and keep the stick going! After all we can make fun of everyone else for not having anywhere near as good a head to head record!

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Post by BATH_BTGOG on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:24 pm

France, its never boring watching them one way or another.
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Post by disneychilly on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:26 pm

andy powells minder wrote:All I want is a semi, is that too much to ask?

Regards,

Robert

You can get pills for that.

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Post by damngoodOvalball on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:28 pm

biltongbek wrote:
Bullsbok wrote:cmon how bout the Bokke we've annoyed fans worldwide over the years Cool

Yeah, I agree, we have entertained crowds all over the world, we got them angry at our bullies, we gave them ample material to write negative articles that would be discussed for ages.

The other side of the coin bullsbok, we bored them to death for over a century with our gameplan. Whistle

At least you bored them to death with a boring gameplan which was actually successful!

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Post by Thomond on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:28 pm

Nobody deserves to win a trophy. The team who performs the best gets it.

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Post by TheGreyGhost on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:29 pm

It's a bit wrong to lump the Samoa, Tonga and Fiji together.

I promise you they are all actually different places.

The Campaign Against France
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1) France started setting off nuclear weapons on otherwise idyllic Pacific Islands causing no end of problems to inhabitants of the area.

2) They sent special forces operatives into NZ to blow up a protest vessel at anchor and in the process caused the loss of life to innocent by standers

3) They are very annoying when they win

4) They believe they beat NZ in 2007 entirely on merit, and that Michalak's pass to Yannick Jauzion was "just a magic magic magical moment of brilliance", which may be the literal translation of "forward" in French, but I doubt it.

Don't get me wrong, you know that I am one who like to let by-gones be by-gones. Politics is one thing and rugby is another. But if a bunch of cowardly, condescending arrogant Frenchman swoop down and after years of mediocrity win the world cup it will be a travesty of morality, a failure of Karma, and frankly a gold star and pat on the back for satan and all his little henchmen.

Don't let me sway you, but these are not just rugby players, they are literally servants of evil and in no way should anyone even consider supporting them.

Now, please go and change your votes accordingly.




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Post by Portnoy on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:31 pm

Thomond wrote:Nobody deserves to win a trophy. The team who performs the best gets it.

I know that. I am just testing the sentimentality of the posters.
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Post by andy powells minder on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:37 pm

disneychilly wrote:
andy powells minder wrote:All I want is a semi, is that too much to ask?

Regards,

Robert

You can get pills for that.

Strangely enough, people are keen to tell me that in my emails!! Whistle

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Post by Biltong on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:44 pm

andy powells minder wrote:
disneychilly wrote:
andy powells minder wrote:All I want is a semi, is that too much to ask?

Regards,

Robert

You can get pills for that.

Strangely enough, people are keen to tell me that in my emails!! Whistle

A semi is rather useless, if you ask me, and most men over the age of 80 will concur. angel
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Post by robbo277 on Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:34 pm

If England aren't to win the World Cup, then I'd want France to win. However if France are to win it will probably involve England losing in the Quarter-Final, which would leave me disappointed with the campaign.

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Post by Taylorman on Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:45 pm

Well i boycotted the vote because SA are not there.
We have some good 606 posters from SA on this site and leaving them off as defending champs is rather insulting to them.
So when you put them back on the list i'll vote.... For the abs of course! Whistle

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Post by Bullsbok on Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:12 pm

Taylorman wrote:Well i boycotted the vote because SA are not there.
We have some good 606 posters from SA on this site and leaving them off as defending champs is rather insulting to them.
So when you put them back on the list i'll vote.... For the abs of course! Whistle

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Post by doctor_grey on Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:23 pm

TheGreyGhost wrote:Politics is one thing and rugby is another. But if a bunch of cowardly, condescending arrogant Frenchman swoop down and after years of mediocrity win the world cup it will be a travesty of morality, a failure of Karma, and frankly a gold star and pat on the back for satan and all his little henchmen.

Don't let me sway you, but these are not just rugby players, they are literally servants of evil and in no way should anyone even consider supporting them.
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You really think the French are servents of evil? Can't imagine why?


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Post by robbo277 on Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:39 pm

Taylorman wrote:Well i boycotted the vote because SA are not there.
We have some good 606 posters from SA on this site and leaving them off as defending champs is rather insulting to them.
So when you put them back on the list i'll vote.... For the abs of course! Whistle

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Post by Biltong on Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:53 pm

Nah, not too worried about justice4boks, that ship has sailed. I'll settle for the Cup
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Post by funnyExiledScot on Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:29 pm

If the world were a fair place New Zealand would consumate their dominance for the last few years and win the World Cup. But the world is not a fair place.......far from it!

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Post by Great White on Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:51 am

TheGreyGhost wrote:It's a bit wrong to lump the Samoa, Tonga and Fiji together.

I promise you they are all actually different places.

The Campaign Against France
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1) France started setting off nuclear weapons on otherwise idyllic Pacific Islands causing no end of problems to inhabitants of the area.

2) They sent special forces operatives into NZ to blow up a protest vessel at anchor and in the process caused the loss of life to innocent by standers

3) They are very annoying when they win

4) They believe they beat NZ in 2007 entirely on merit, and that Michalak's pass to Yannick Jauzion was "just a magic magic magical moment of brilliance", which may be the literal translation of "forward" in French, but I doubt it.

Don't get me wrong, you know that I am one who like to let by-gones be by-gones. Politics is one thing and rugby is another. But if a bunch of cowardly, condescending arrogant Frenchman swoop down and after years of mediocrity win the world cup it will be a travesty of morality, a failure of Karma, and frankly a gold star and pat on the back for satan and all his little henchmen.

Don't let me sway you, but these are not just rugby players, they are literally servants of evil and in no way should anyone even consider supporting them.

Now, please go and change your votes accordingly.



In a previous article you criticised anotherr poster for bringing up the Greenpeace incident as fatalities were involved. But seemingly, its alright for you to do it?

And your bygones be bygones coment, whilst undoubtedly a pathetic attempt at humour, doesn't fool anybody. B E L L.

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Post by TheGreyGhost on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:08 am

The other poster was making light of the Greenpeace murders carried out by the French government.

What I'm saying is that far from being deserving of victory, the French deserve all the Pacific retribution that can be dished out and for a number of reasons.

If that starts with them being humiliated at the RWC, then it's a start.

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Post by Great White on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:12 am

I hope your entire comment was intended to be humourous. If it was then you're a hypocrite and if it wasn't it's xenophobic. Take your pick.

And if France are to be humiliated at the WC, then they'd be following a precedent set by the AB wouldn't they...

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Post by FerN on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:15 am

I wanted to vote Wales, just because they are so passionate but then I realized that they sometimes go way overboard though, so changed my vote to NZ.

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Post by TheGreyGhost on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:16 am

I don't recall NZ ever being humiliated at a RWC.

No shame in losing to the #2 or #3 teams in the world by a few points in a knock out comp, surely?

Now England - they've been humiliated a few times. SA 36 - 0 recently and then that humbling thumping by NZ when NZ just scored try, after try, after try, after try, after try and then the forwards started knocking over drop goals from the half way line for fun. Now that, Mr White is a humiliation.

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Post by Great White on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:22 am

Yes, but England have hardly ever been classed as the 'best team in the world' have they? Whereas, it would seem that the AB either like to think they are, or their supporters like to think they are. Either way, it's actually no disgrace for England to lose to the AB is it, since expectations aren't really that high. Of course there was that one occasion when England beat them home and away, once with just 13 men on the pitch for the best part of a quarter of an hour.

England have a good relative performance record in WC, and at least their one win has come in the professional era. Even after losing 36-0 to SA for example, they went on to reach the final which they lost narrowly (even by SA own admission) to the same side. Where were NZ that year btw?

And you rather clumsily avoided the choice of being either a hypocrite or a xenophobe. Which is it?



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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:27 am

I voted for France. They're the best side not to have won a World Cup and they've provided some of the best rugby the tournament has seen.

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Post by TheGreyGhost on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:47 am

Great White wrote:Yes, but England have hardly ever been classed as the 'best team in the world' have they?

Yes. But you can't use being no good as an excuse to be no good.

You can't walk around accusing teams far better than yourselves of having been "humiliated" because they lost by a few points to another team far better than yourselves and not appear to be a little bit bitter and foolish.

Instead of using your mediocrity as an excuse for your mediocrity and celebrating NZ losing to Australia, South Africa or France...why not instead ask why England with so many resources and so much money, who played so many home games at Twickenham in the history of the world cup are so poor? Why not put your own house in order before worrying about NZ? Why can't England seem to beat NZ on the big stage? Why did England choke when they played the RWC at home? Why is England filling up with foreigners on very short residency criteria? Why have England started to wear a black alternate strip? What on Earth is going on at the RFU? I'd think an Englishman would be vastly more concerned about those things.

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Post by Great White on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:50 am

Ah, so you're a xenophobe AND a hypocrite. The question finally answered.

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Post by TheGreyGhost on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:52 am

Great White, your point borders on ignorance.

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Post by RubyGuby on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:54 am

Fair play for a Grey and a White you don't half write some colourful posts - Keep 'em coming please it's entertaining although I think at the moment the Grey is just shading the pale White Yahoo

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Post by Great White on Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:00 am

TheGreyGhost wrote:Great White, your point borders on ignorance.

No it doesn't. Its simply a response to your constant and repetetive xenophobic and hypocritical remarks. Of course, I expect you've also failed to realise that your constant, obsessive and repetetive xenophobia is indicative of inherent ignornace, as is all forms of racism. So, not only are you a xenophobe, you're hypocritical AND rather dull too.

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Post by robbo277 on Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:02 am

Looking at every match in isolation it's no disgrace to lose to New Zealand (they're not exactly a weak team), but it is a disgrace for a country our size to have lost almost 80% of the games we've played against them. Saying they're better than us isn't a mitigating circumstance that makes it acceptable. Why are they better than us?

Although I don't think the Blackett report and all the other shenanigans going on now will effect the England team ahead of the World Cup, I think the RFU (not intentionally) have held back the England team for a long time, basically by being a bunch of morons.

It would be great to win the World Cup, but possibly an even bigger victory in the next 2 months would be if we can sort out the RFU, for the long-term benefit of the game in this country.

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