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Post by gboycottnut on Mon 30 Apr 2012, 11:42 pm

Even after the defeat to Ali Carter in this year's world championship, many of the BBC pundits and commentators still believe that Judd can one day win the World Title. The question I would like to ask everyone is can he do it and if he is to achieve this goal what must he do in order to improve his gameplay which at times is too loose and relies far too heavily on a high risk type of attacking snooker. This attacking strategy worked last year when he was playing well and he didn't have any pressures on him such that he could play this method of snooker effectively, but this year he has really struggled from round 1 V Dominic Dale to play to anywhere near the standard that he showed in last year's WC.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 01 May 2012, 2:33 pm

Of course he can dot it. Age and time is on his side. The likes of Higgins and O'Sullivan are in the twilight of their careers and so when they are gone the next generation is being led by the likes of Neil Robertson and to a lesser extent Judd Trump but it will be them who fill the void when your O'Sullivans and Higgins careers begin winding down. I suppose that is why so many tip him for at least one world title. Remember that Trump came closer to beating Higgins last May than O'Sullivan did.
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Post by gboycottnut on Tue 01 May 2012, 7:35 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:Of course he can dot it. Age and time is on his side. The likes of Higgins and O'Sullivan are in the twilight of their careers and so when they are gone the next generation is being led by the likes of Neil Robertson and to a lesser extent Judd Trump but it will be them who fill the void when your O'Sullivans and Higgins careers begin winding down. I suppose that is why so many tip him for at least one world title. Remember that Trump came closer to beating Higgins last May than O'Sullivan did.

Higgins and O'Sullivan aren't actually in the twilight of their careers as such as both of them can easily win multiple world titles each between them before they finish their playing careers. In the case of O'Sullivan should he win the World title this year, I reckon that he can equal and then overtake the record of 7 World titles won by Stephen Hendry. O'Sullivan could win 10 World titles by the end of his playing career.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 01 May 2012, 7:58 pm

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CaledonianCraig wrote:Of course he can dot it. Age and time is on his side. The likes of Higgins and O'Sullivan are in the twilight of their careers and so when they are gone the next generation is being led by the likes of Neil Robertson and to a lesser extent Judd Trump but it will be them who fill the void when your O'Sullivans and Higgins careers begin winding down. I suppose that is why so many tip him for at least one world title. Remember that Trump came closer to beating Higgins last May than O'Sullivan did.

Higgins and O'Sullivan aren't actually in the twilight of their careers as such as both of them can easily win multiple world titles each between them before they finish their playing careers. In the case of O'Sullivan should he win the World title this year, I reckon that he can equal and then overtake the record of 7 World titles won by Stephen Hendry. O'Sullivan could win 10 World titles by the end of his playing career.

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Post by eirebilly on Tue 01 May 2012, 8:43 pm

gboycottnut wrote: In the case of O'Sullivan should he win the World title this year, I reckon that he can equal and then overtake the record of 7 World titles won by Stephen Hendry. O'Sullivan could win 10 World titles by the end of his playing career.

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Post by gboycottnut on Tue 01 May 2012, 9:13 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
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CaledonianCraig wrote:Of course he can dot it. Age and time is on his side. The likes of Higgins and O'Sullivan are in the twilight of their careers and so when they are gone the next generation is being led by the likes of Neil Robertson and to a lesser extent Judd Trump but it will be them who fill the void when your O'Sullivans and Higgins careers begin winding down. I suppose that is why so many tip him for at least one world title. Remember that Trump came closer to beating Higgins last May than O'Sullivan did.

Higgins and O'Sullivan aren't actually in the twilight of their careers as such as both of them can easily win multiple world titles each between them before they finish their playing careers. In the case of O'Sullivan should he win the World title this year, I reckon that he can equal and then overtake the record of 7 World titles won by Stephen Hendry. O'Sullivan could win 10 World titles by the end of his playing career.

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You may laugh as much as you want to, but I really can't see him not achieving this as he is far too talented a player not to win many more World titles and even though he may be 36 odd years old now, he does keep himself very fit with his running etc which will help him maintain his snooker matchplay sharpness well past his 40th birthday. Just look at what the legend Steve Davis managed to do back in 2005 when he himself reached the final of the UK championship when he was 40 plus years old, and again in 2010 when he reached the quarter-finals of the World Championship beating a certain John Higgins to get there.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 01 May 2012, 9:22 pm

Steve Davis has immense dedication to the cause and the sport which is sadly lacking in Ronnie. That is the massive difference.
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Post by gboycottnut on Tue 01 May 2012, 9:26 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:Steve Davis has immense dedication to the cause and the sport which is sadly lacking in Ronnie. That is the massive difference.

But Ronnie has a far greater talent for playing the game than Steve ever had, so any such immense dedication to the cause means jacksh#t at the end of the day if one cannot play the game to the same standard/quality as was the case in the past.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 01 May 2012, 9:34 pm

Dedication means a heck of a lot as does great concentration and temperament which Ronnie is also inferior to Steve.
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Post by gboycottnut on Tue 01 May 2012, 9:39 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:Dedication means a heck of a lot as does great concentration and temperament which Ronnie is also inferior to Steve.

But like I said, if one cannot pot balls and score heavily anymore due to a detioration in their game as a result of getting older, then it means nothing having all the concentration and temperament.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 01 May 2012, 9:40 pm

Yes an that deterioration is just around the corner for Ronnie. It hits every player when they reach their forties. Just point out the last world champion aged 40+. You really don't know your snooker do you?
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Post by gboycottnut on Tue 01 May 2012, 9:47 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:Yes an that deterioration is just around the corner for Ronnie. It hits every player when they reach their forties. Just point out the last world champion aged 40+. You really don't know your snooker do you?

Oh yes I know my snooker as I have followed the game since the late 1970's. The last world champion aged 40+ was Ray Reardon back in 1978, and in darts if Phil Taylor can win a world title nearing the age of 50 then Ronnie is more than capable of winning a World title when he nears 50 years old as Ronnie unlike Phil does keep himself in very good shape with his running every day.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 01 May 2012, 9:55 pm

Yes you see Ray Reardon was the last one to do it in the late 70's when the game was a lot different which proves my point perfectly. So you see once shot alignment/concentration/cue action starts failing and disrupts your game Ronnie will not have the heart to stick with it. As sure as eggs are eggs he'll jack it in perhaps with only three world titles in his early 40's.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 01 May 2012, 9:57 pm

And do you not understand snooker tests mental stamina not physical stamina and that is the department Ronnie comes up short in and he can do as many runs a day he wants and that won't improve his mental sharpness.
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Post by gboycottnut on Tue 01 May 2012, 9:58 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:Yes you see Ray Reardon was the last one to do it in the late 70's when the game was a lot different which proves my point perfectly. So you see once shot alignment/concentration/cue action starts failing and disrupts your game Ronnie will not have the heart to stick with it. As sure as eggs are eggs he'll jack it in perhaps with only three world titles in his early 40's.

The game may have been different back in Ray's day but Ray still was good enough to produce breaks which won him frames consistently at that time. Therefore if Ray can do it when he was 40 + years old, I'm sure Ronnie can as well.

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Post by gboycottnut on Tue 01 May 2012, 10:00 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:And do you not understand snooker tests mental stamina not physical stamina and that is the department Ronnie comes up short in and he can do as many runs a day he wants and that won't improve his mental sharpness.

It is an aspect that apparently he has been looking to improve on which is why he has been seeing a sports pyschologist.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 01 May 2012, 10:01 pm

I am confident he can't. Tell me why he never won the world title last year or the year before or the year before that when he was younger and fresher?
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 01 May 2012, 10:02 pm

Sports pyschologist still hasn't stopped him missing sitters of frame ball (the blue) in the final frame V Robbo today ensuring he flung away a frame he should have won. Not the sign of mental strength that.
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Post by Ayrshirebhoy on Tue 01 May 2012, 10:16 pm

Judd can win a world title yes but really need to stop smashing the balls. He is defo the best long ball potter ever but other aspects of his game needs looking into.

As for ronnie winning 10 world titles well I'd be amazed if he won another one.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas on Tue 01 May 2012, 10:19 pm

Wake up and smell the coffee, gboycott. Davis and Hendry were able to defend their World Champ'ship. Ronnie's patterns in the WC is, win in 2001 then can't win again til 2004. Then a while later wins again in 2008. These patterns are when Ronnie's in his prime too. Very Happy
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Post by Josiah Maiestas on Tue 01 May 2012, 10:22 pm

He is defo the best long ball potter ever but other aspects of his game needs looking into.
He lost because his breakbuilding deserted him after going 12-9 in lead, not cause of 'other aspects' of his game. Doh

Even Ronnie struggles getting over the line with 1 frame to win, same thing happened to Judd. Very Happy
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Post by Ayrshirebhoy on Tue 01 May 2012, 10:31 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:
He is defo the best long ball potter ever but other aspects of his game needs looking into.
He lost because his breakbuilding deserted him after going 12-9 in lead, not cause of 'other aspects' of his game. Doh

Even Ronnie struggles getting over the line with 1 frame to win, same thing happened to Judd. Very Happy

Exactly my point! His break building deserted him so game over. General match play must improve.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 01 May 2012, 10:32 pm

I wouldn't be too concerned about Judd yet but if he has to wait another two or three years he may start to be affected by the pressure. As I see it he needs to tighten up his matchplay game and quit playing risky showboating shots at inappropriate times. If he can do that the titles will come.
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Post by gboycottnut on Wed 02 May 2012, 12:20 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:I wouldn't be too concerned about Judd yet but if he has to wait another two or three years he may start to be affected by the pressure. As I see it he needs to tighten up his matchplay game and quit playing risky showboating shots at inappropriate times. If he can do that the titles will come.

Bu then if Judd does quit playing those risky showboating shots he won't be as effective a player as he is now. Relying on a solid matchplay will never be Judd's strength and won't win him a world title playing against the likes of Robertson, O'Sullivan, Higgins, Carter, Selby, Maguire. What will help him win a world title is gaining pinpoint positional play and a consistent breakbuilding game. Perhaps now that Stephen Hendry has retired from competitive tournaments, he could help Judd out in this very crucial area of the game.

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Post by eirebilly on Wed 02 May 2012, 6:34 am

gboycottnut wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Steve Davis has immense dedication to the cause and the sport which is sadly lacking in Ronnie. That is the massive difference.

But Ronnie has a far greater talent for playing the game than Steve ever had, so any such immense dedication to the cause means jacksh#t at the end of the day if one cannot play the game to the same standard/quality as was the case in the past.

I am sorry but what an absolutely ridiculous statement to make. Steve Davis dominated in an era containing other cloths and balls and has been able to adjust his game to be competitive up to the last few years. That takes some sort of amazing talent.

Its impossible to compare the two to be honest so i think its absolutely astonishing that you would say something like that.
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Post by Josiah Maiestas on Wed 02 May 2012, 11:26 pm

Steve Davis dominated in an era containing other cloths and balls and has been able to adjust his game to be competitive up to the last few years. That takes some sort of amazing talent.
Davis is the English version of Hendry, calm, talented, doesn't give much emotion. Ronnie's game has been helped though by these easier cloths. :\
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Post by bretmeharty on Thu 03 May 2012, 1:03 pm

Sorry I had to do a double take when I read the title, I thought it read "Will Judd Trump ever win the world championship" not another "All about Ronnie" thread.

Was anyone glad to see Trump lose for the only reason to see that smug look on his brothers face up in the VIP box to be wiped away.

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Post by eirebilly on Thu 03 May 2012, 1:04 pm

bretmeharty wrote:Sorry I had to do a double take when I read the title, I thought it read "Will Judd Trump ever win the world championship" not another "All about Ronnie" thread.

Was anyone glad to see Trump lose for the only reason to see that smug look on his brothers face up in the VIP box to be wiped away.

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Post by bretmeharty on Thu 03 May 2012, 1:12 pm

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bretmeharty wrote:Sorry I had to do a double take when I read the title, I thought it read "Will Judd Trump ever win the world championship" not another "All about Ronnie" thread.

Was anyone glad to see Trump lose for the only reason to see that smug look on his brothers face up in the VIP box to be wiped away.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas on Thu 03 May 2012, 2:34 pm

Was anyone glad to see Trump lose for the only reason to see that smug look on his brothers face up in the VIP box to be wiped away.
Pretty miserable way to see things... is no one allowed to have a bit of fun now? :\
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Post by eirebilly on Thu 03 May 2012, 2:41 pm

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Was anyone glad to see Trump lose for the only reason to see that smug look on his brothers face up in the VIP box to be wiped away.
Pretty miserable way to see things... is no one allowed to have a bit of fun now? :\

Maybe he was having a little bit of fun or a laugh as well? Your post could be used in the same way and directed at you Wink
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Post by Josiah Maiestas on Thu 03 May 2012, 2:44 pm

Maybe he was having a little bit of fun or a laugh as well? Your post could be used in the same way and directed at you
Why would he focus on what Judd's brother is doing in a snooker match? Very Happy
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Post by eirebilly on Thu 03 May 2012, 2:45 pm

Its pretty hard not too with the cameras constantly on him. Last year was a nightmare, between nearly every shot Trump played the camera was on his brother and Dennis Taylor was in dreamland Wink
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