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Post by The Special Juan on Wed 16 May 2012, 4:19 pm

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Kenny has resigned as Liverpool manager. It was expected.
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Post by GSC on Thu 17 May 2012, 6:43 pm

Not sure about Martinez, obviously hes the media darling after Wigans late run, but Wigan did spend much of the season looking like certainties for the drop.
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Post by Kenny on Thu 17 May 2012, 6:48 pm

Apparentley Liverpool have also asked Swansea for permission to speak to Brendon Rodgers , but Swansea haven't given it
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Post by Guest on Thu 17 May 2012, 6:51 pm

I posted on another thread that I'd like to see Chris Houghton in charge. Sadly I see FSG wanting to make Liverpool into another Chelsea where it's all big bucks thrown at the problem rather than being interested in seeing the club brought back properly.

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Post by GSC on Thu 17 May 2012, 6:59 pm

Hes had 1 good job at Newcastle and had a decent season with Birmingham. Way too early.
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Post by GSC on Thu 17 May 2012, 6:59 pm

Not surprised Swansea said no. Club on the up
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Post by Kenny on Thu 17 May 2012, 7:00 pm

I thought Houghton was badly treated by Newcastle but i wouldn't be in favour of him coming to Liverpool , it does look like Fenway are looking at a bringing in a up and coming manager rather then a established name
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Post by Kenny on Thu 17 May 2012, 7:03 pm

Liiverpool state Martinez is " one of several candidates they are looking to speak to "
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Post by Guest on Thu 17 May 2012, 7:19 pm

Since when does "sucessfully avoiding relgation two seasons in a row" suddenly equate to "able to challenge for Champion's League positions"?

When Owen Coyle managed Burnley, the media couldn't get enough of him....what happened to him? Ian Holloway, Phil Brown, Alex McLeish and the Villa/Birmingham saga? For God's sake, look at Hodgson when he was at Fulham. What happened to these great managers afterwards? This Martinez thing is a ridiculous knee jerk reactions to a Manager who managed to pull his team out of the s**t he got them into in the first place. It's no different to the press kissing the rear end of any player who scores five goals at the beginning of the season or who hits a couple of long balls effectively...."Ooh, he's a candidate for player of the season already." They played FOUR matches....get a grip!

"Look what Martinez did for Wigan at the end of the season.! Well I prefer to look at what he did for Wigan for the 32 games prior to that.

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Post by Kenny on Thu 17 May 2012, 7:23 pm

Martinez hasn't been offered the job yet , Liverpool just want to see what he has to say . From what i have heard there are 5 other managers who are currently at other clubs who Liverpool will be asking to speak to .
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Post by Crimey on Thu 17 May 2012, 7:27 pm

"Look what Martinez did for Wigan at the end of the season.! Well I prefer to look at what he did for Wigan for the 32 games prior to that.

He achieved safety comfortably in the end, it doesn't matter where in the season you pick up the points. He overachieved I believe, the Wigan squad wasn't as good as the three relegated sides.

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Post by Guest on Thu 17 May 2012, 7:31 pm

Crimey wrote:
"Look what Martinez did for Wigan at the end of the season.! Well I prefer to look at what he did for Wigan for the 32 games prior to that.

He achieved safety comfortably in the end, it doesn't matter where in the season you pick up the points. He overachieved I believe, the Wigan squad wasn't as good as the three relegated sides.

Point is, that FSG want someone who can get LFC challenging for top four positions. Is Martinez really going to be the man to do it given the way he's barely managed to keep Wigan in the EPL? Should we really sign an overachiever as Manager? Mind you, with the likes of Adam and Downing, I believe we have enough on the field to keep him in good company

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Post by Gordy on Thu 17 May 2012, 7:40 pm

I dont understand he argument against Martinez from people saying he barely kept Wigan in the premiership? He has done it twice now, where do people expect him to finish? His job at Wigan was solely to keep them in the Premiership. His time at Wigan has been one of success n the circumstances.

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Post by Guest on Thu 17 May 2012, 7:59 pm

No-one arguing that he's done well in that respect but what is there about his management at Wigan which leads us to believe he's the man to bring Champions League football to Anfield?

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Post by GSC on Thu 17 May 2012, 8:51 pm

They haven't approached Swansea according to Sky.
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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 17 May 2012, 9:01 pm

I still think the Liverpool job is a BIG one....they have a huge history and a massive support.

I also think...whilst it will not be easy...it is a great time to be taking over the club.

A good manager can come in..get rid of the considerable number of average players and really make it their own team.

We (Newcastle) have also shown with a top notch scouting team...you dont need to spend fortunes to buy top class players...

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Post by Guest on Thu 17 May 2012, 9:39 pm

From thinking it would not be a good move to appoint Martinez as manager, I am having second thoughts. They say he kept to his belief in playing a good passing style of football, and managed to keep Wigan in the top division, handling immense pressure when it seemed certain they would be relegated, and then beating teams such as Man Utd at home and Arsenal away.

Looking at his resume, he has spent most of his career playing in the English/Scottish leagues, had a successful time managing Swansea, and has done well managing Wigan.

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Post by ReallyReal on Thu 17 May 2012, 10:31 pm

First things first, Liverpool fans need a massive reality check, yes you WERE a massive club, now you're just another club who was once huge but barely has a squad capable of competing for a Europa League spot, never mind a CL place and only serious investment, in both money and time is needed to take you back up to that level.
So, will the next manager be given the time that a club legend barely got and will he be given a massive budget too?
Judging by the responses over the last couple of years, from a majority of fans, the next manager will be hounded out of Anfield before Christmas if you're not in the top 4 and who knows what FSG will give the next manager to spend, they're still reluctant to spend a penny on regenerating Anfield or building a new ground, so he'd already be hamstrung in future revenues anyway.
Whoever takes on the managers job is either crazy, greedy, or both and although it would clearly be a step up from Wigan, I hope that Martinez, if offered the job, is both smart enough and not too greedy and would realise what he's got at the Latics and say a resounding, NO thank you...

...but I doubt he would.

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Fri 18 May 2012, 8:09 am

ReallyReal wrote:First things first, Liverpool fans need a massive reality check, yes you WERE a massive club, now you're just another club who was once huge but barely has a squad capable of competing for a Europa League spot, never mind a CL place and only serious investment, in both money and time is needed to take you back up to that level.
So, will the next manager be given the time that a club legend barely got and will he be given a massive budget too?
Judging by the responses over the last couple of years, from a majority of fans, the next manager will be hounded out of Anfield before Christmas if you're not in the top 4 and who knows what FSG will give the next manager to spend, they're still reluctant to spend a penny on regenerating Anfield or building a new ground, so he'd already be hamstrung in future revenues anyway.
Whoever takes on the managers job is either crazy, greedy, or both and although it would clearly be a step up from Wigan, I hope that Martinez, if offered the job, is both smart enough and not too greedy and would realise what he's got at the Latics and say a resounding, NO thank you...

...but I doubt he would.

Are you for Real?

We are a MASSIVE (as you put it) club you loon. 4th highest replica kits sales in the world, strong fan base in the Asian continent, kit supplier and shirt sponsorship deals totalling £50mill per annum, own TV channel.

I agree RE squad is very thin and does need investment but we have strong foundations to build upon and once we achieve the corporate glory hole which is known as the champions league, it wont take long for our playing reputation to be up there again.

We have been in 2 of the last 7 champion league finals! Not a big club Laugh , JOG ON Run

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Post by GSC on Fri 18 May 2012, 10:47 am

Brendan Rodgers has said no apparently.

SoF, while its still a big name, I'm not sure its a big job anymore. The squad is average, there isn't going to be the kind of money available there was last year, and the fans will expect the team to push for CL. The expectations no longer match the reality.

Its somewhat evident in the managers Liverpool are chasing.
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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Fri 18 May 2012, 10:53 am

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Brendan Rodgers has said no apparently.

SoF, while its still a big name, I'm not sure its a big job anymore. The squad is average, there isn't going to be the kind of money available there was last year, and the fans will expect the team to push for CL. The expectations no longer match the reality.

Its somewhat evident in the managers Liverpool are chasing.

Do you know who were chasing? Martinez has been confirmed but if were using media sources I've seen a range from Capello, Guardiola to Alan Hansen Laugh

Lets not believe speculation and actually wait until someone as been confirmed thumbsup

As I have previously said, there are solid foundations here which can be built upon with the right manager at the helm

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Post by GSC on Fri 18 May 2012, 11:02 am

Yeah, but Forest could sack Cotterill and chase Guardiola. Doesn't mean he'd be interested in the slightest.

So far the concrete things I've gathered are Martinez, Rodgers and AVB. 1 unemployed guy who needs a rep rebuild after Chelsea, 1 who narrowly avoided relegation and the other said no after 1 PL season.

They are some solid foundations, but expectations need to be lowered somewhat.
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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Fri 18 May 2012, 11:23 am

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Yeah, but Forest could sack Cotterill and chase Guardiola. Doesn't mean he'd be interested in the slightest.

So far the concrete things I've gathered are Martinez, Rodgers and AVB. 1 unemployed guy who needs a rep rebuild after Chelsea, 1 who narrowly avoided relegation and the other said no after 1 PL season.

They are some solid foundations, but expectations need to be lowered somewhat.

Doubt I could see Forest linked with him, even in the scum newspaper but there you go. Think you went too far there Laugh

Why should they be lowered? From someone one he came home from the game frustrated more often then not last season, I was encouraged with the football on display and we were on an in form striker away from being in the Champs league places, we must of on average created 20 chances at goal each game but could not take them. IMO opinion couple of quality/shrewd signings away from challenging. Results look bad on paper and easy for someone from the outside like your self to cast judgement but from someone who watch us week in week out the signs were encouraging.

Nothing is concrete in Media speculation unless its from the horses mouth i.e Whelan RE Martinez.

Am not getting drawn into a debate on speculation and await an official appointment before I will comment further.

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Post by Smirnoffpriest on Fri 18 May 2012, 2:45 pm

SoF - you can say their a huge club because of shirt sales, the club rep in Asia and USA , but you also have to ask yourself Do the club have a modern and easily expandable stadium? Are the club likely to be competing at the top domestically and in Europe any time soon? Does the squad have some of the best players in Europe (even 1 or 2) to build the side around? Has the club competed in the Top4 (or even 2) recently with any of the current squad?

Or if not any of the above then Can the club allow the manager to spend HUGE amounts of money to improve and overhaul the side?

Sadly I think the answer to all of those questions is NO and has been been for quite a few years since Benitez' hayday and would say because of this and the amount of clubs above them competing at a higher level (ie CL) for numerous seasons then it isn't a big job - remember the press kept harping on about how Huge a job Newcastle's, because of the fans and history, was right up until they got relegated.

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Post by Smirnoffpriest on Fri 18 May 2012, 2:46 pm

I'd also be amazed if Benitez went anywhere near the job after the abuse he endured at the end of his reign - I also doubt those same fans would have forgiven him just because they've been poorer under their 2 managers since.

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Post by Guest on Fri 18 May 2012, 3:17 pm

Steve Clarke, Dalglish's assistant, handed in his resignation out of loyalty to the 61-year-old Scot, but it has been rejected.

from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18110974

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Post by Smirnoffpriest on Fri 18 May 2012, 3:22 pm

Nore Staat wrote:Steve Clarke, Dalglish's assistant, handed in his resignation out of loyalty to the 61-year-old Scot, but it has been rejected.

from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18110974

Really? I thought he'd gone!

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Post by GSC on Fri 18 May 2012, 3:39 pm

Surely makes his position untenable.
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Post by GSC on Fri 18 May 2012, 3:42 pm

Avram Grant has resigned as manager of wherever he was managing.

Get ready Liverpool fans.
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Post by Tony B Liar on Fri 18 May 2012, 3:55 pm

Brendan Rodgers has refused to talk to Liverpool
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Post by Josiah Maiestas on Fri 18 May 2012, 4:10 pm

Carragher wants a strong boss, well Carragher if the next boss has a backbone, you would be probably dropped fella, take it from Drogba and Lampard, you don't want that..
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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Fri 18 May 2012, 4:19 pm

Smirnoffpriest wrote:SoF - you can say their a huge club because of shirt sales, the club rep in Asia and USA , but you also have to ask yourself ? Are the club likely to be competing at the top domestically and in Europe any time soon? Does the squad have some of the best players in Europe (even 1 or 2) to build the side around? Has the club competed in the Top4 (or even 2) recently with any of the current squad?

Or if not any of the above then Can the club allow the manager to spend HUGE amounts of money to improve and overhaul the side?

Sadly I think the answer to all of those questions is NO and has been been for quite a few years since Benitez' hayday and would say because of this and the amount of clubs above them competing at a higher level (ie CL) for numerous seasons then it isn't a big job - remember the press kept harping on about how Huge a job Newcastle's, because of the fans and history, was right up until they got relegated.

Well are you going to let me answer those questions first Laugh

Do the club have a modern and easily expandable stadium? Modern yes, expandable no. Inprocess of looking at a new stadium (how long have we been saying that Laugh)

the club likely to be competing at the top domestically and in Europe any time soon? With a couple of shrewd signings and the right man at the helm yes. Performances last season we should have merited alot more points then we got, as I have already alluded to, we were an inform striker away from the Champs league spaces. Would you have predicted Newscastle coming 5th, just missing out on Champions league after buying Ba and Cabaye, both for less then combained £4mill???

Does the squad have some of the best players in Europe (even 1 or 2) to build the side around? Riena, Agger, Srtkel, Lucas, Gerrard, Carroll (potential), Suarez. YES!!

Does the squad have some of the best players in Europe (even 1 or 2) to build the side around? Has the club competed in the Top4 (or even 2) recently with any of the current squad? Doh Riena, Carragher, Agger, Srktel, Gerrard, Lucas!

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Post by Smirnoffpriest on Fri 18 May 2012, 4:41 pm

Sorry I'll give up arguing with you - who could argue with the claim that Srtkel, Lucas and Carroll are up there with the best players in Europe?

And that the 128 year old Anfield is a modern stadium (I know that the Kop and another stand have been rebuilt since then) - modern in the same way that the Emirates and Old Trafford stadiums are?

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Fri 18 May 2012, 4:58 pm

Srktel and Lucas would dance into Arsenal's starting lineup am afraid. Dont watch Liverpool much do you. Lucas is the only player I have seen keep BOTH Yaya Toure and Silva quiet in the same match. He has been missed!

You said modern not new. Anfield has charactor and the Emirates has riddled Arsenal with debt. Plus you got well and truely had with the money you would receive in stadium sponsorship.

Am not getting involve in my club is better then your club debate, but by saying Lucas and Srktel are not european class doesnt bode well for your knowledge in a debate.

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Post by lfc91 on Fri 18 May 2012, 4:59 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Carragher wants a strong boss, well Carragher if the next boss has a backbone, you would be probably dropped fella, take it from Drogba and Lampard, you don't want that..

Hes already been dropped, clearly 3rd choice all year behind agger/skrtel.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas on Fri 18 May 2012, 5:03 pm

Agger and Skrtel are top class defenders, wear your shirt with pride, they deserve than better than finishing middle table tbh, must be on massive wages?
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Post by Kenny on Fri 18 May 2012, 5:22 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Agger and Skrtel are top class defenders, wear your shirt with pride, they deserve than better than finishing middle table tbh, must be on massive wages?

It sounds crazy but in todays wage market i dont think they on huge wages at around 60-70 grand a week , i believe there are only Gerrard, Suarez on over £100,000 a week
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Post by GSC on Fri 18 May 2012, 10:15 pm

Tomorrow's Mirror claiming they're talking to Rafa.

Can't help but see it as a backwards step, hasn't exactly flourished since leaving.
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Post by Guest on Fri 18 May 2012, 10:21 pm

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Tomorrow's Mirror claiming they're talking to Rafa.

Can't help but see it as a backwards step, hasn't exactly flourished since leaving.

As a Liverpool fan I'd be gutted to see him back at the helm.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sat 19 May 2012, 8:37 am

FreekShow wrote:
Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Tomorrow's Mirror claiming they're talking to Rafa.

Can't help but see it as a backwards step, hasn't exactly flourished since leaving.

As a Liverpool fan I'd be gutted to see him back at the helm.

Can I ask why though? Seriously if it is a straight choice between Roberto Martinez and Rafa Benitez I'd snap their hand off for Benitez. Liverpool need a manager who is going to attract players to come and play for the club, Benitez did this at Liverpool, Reina, Torres, Alonso, Garcia, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Kuyt, all brought in by him. If we go for Martinez we are stepping in to the unknown, he has no big club experience and we don't know who he'll bring in or be able to attract. When ever I hear about Martinez taking the job at Liverpool I have flash backs to the days we signed Poulsen and Konchesky and it worries me that he'll go and raid Wigan for players who are actually worse than the ones Kenny brought in.
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Post by Crimey on Sat 19 May 2012, 8:55 am

If we do get Martinez, I wouldn't mind him bringing in Moses.

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Post by Guest on Sat 19 May 2012, 9:03 am

If they sign up Benitez, what image will that send for Liverpools League title challenge, how much will Benitez have to spend and how successful (and costly) will be the players he brings in?



After Leaving Liverpool Benitez went to Inter Milan
Inter Milan were Serie A and UEFA Champions League champions, and had been managed by José Mourinho who left for real Madrid.

Rafael Benítez signed a two-year deal On 21 August 2010.

Benítez's first Serie A game was on 31 August 2010 in a 0–0 draw away to Bologna. His first league win as manager came on 11 September 2010.

By December 2010, Inter had slumped to 6th in Serie A, 13 points adrift of the top, having suffered consecutive defeats against arch rivals AC Milan (which ended a 46 match unbeaten home record), Chievo and Lazio, as well as losing at Tottenham Hotspur in the Champions League.

Despite criticism, Benítez guided Inter Milan to win the FIFA Club World Cup in December 2010. Buoyed by the Club World Cup victory, he told the European champions to back him with new signings.

On 23 December 2010, Benítez was sacked, after only four months.

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Post by Crimey on Sat 19 May 2012, 9:15 am

The thing is, if you compare what happened after Benitez left, Inter Milan have hardly competed either, and I do not believe that Benitez could have had such an effect on the team in such a short space of time. Mourinho clearly overachieved with the team and comparing any manager to Mourinho and they usually don't look good.

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Post by Guest on Sat 19 May 2012, 9:26 am

It just seems to be the same old same old with Benitez - demanding lots of money to buy in players, doing well in the cups, doing poorly in the league etc. It was the run of defeats that worried Inter Milan, just a few months after winning Seria A and the Champions League.

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Sat 19 May 2012, 9:33 am

Being fair Benitez was sacked from Inter due comments he mard about the hierachy

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Post by Guest on Sat 19 May 2012, 9:42 am

If the Liverpool fans and faithful are happy with it, and the board and owners are happy with it, then fine. But personally I think Benitez will require a lot of transfer and wage money, and there will still be problems with squad depth (I think he prefers to buy expensive players, putting them on high wages, rather than balancing his transfers).

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Sat 19 May 2012, 10:12 am

I personally would have him back due to the fact we have got new onwers who would back him. Transfers that were highlighted by him but couldn't get due to lack of funds Danny Alves, David Silva, David Villa were all missed opportunities under the old regieme. I agree there was alot of dross on high wages and if he does come back this will need to be addressed to him.

Some fans seem to forget the good times we had with him and seem to remember the bad signing more then the good. Players like Torres, Alonso and Macherano who were all sold on with huge profits. Likes of Reina, Agger, Srtkel, Lucas who still at the club. If they wernt there, we would be even worst off then we are now.


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Post by Guest on Sat 19 May 2012, 10:50 am

hampo171 wrote:
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Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Tomorrow's Mirror claiming they're talking to Rafa.

Can't help but see it as a backwards step, hasn't exactly flourished since leaving.

As a Liverpool fan I'd be gutted to see him back at the helm.

Can I ask why though? Seriously if it is a straight choice between Roberto Martinez and Rafa Benitez I'd snap their hand off for Benitez. Liverpool need a manager who is going to attract players to come and play for the club, Benitez did this at Liverpool, Reina, Torres, Alonso, Garcia, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Kuyt, all brought in by him. If we go for Martinez we are stepping in to the unknown, he has no big club experience and we don't know who he'll bring in or be able to attract. When ever I hear about Martinez taking the job at Liverpool I have flash backs to the days we signed Poulsen and Konchesky and it worries me that he'll go and raid Wigan for players who are actually worse than the ones Kenny brought in.

How is Martinez going to get big club experience if he's not given the chance? It's not rocket science. There seems to be this same old argument on Martinez that quite frankly borders on snobbery.

Give Benitez two years at Wigan and he'd take them down having said that we should snap him up before some other club does because he is so sought after.


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Post by Kenny on Sat 19 May 2012, 11:34 am

I think its still all up in the air as to who will end up with the job with upto 12 people being interviewed , but i would rather Martinez over Rafa if it were a choice between the 2 . Rafa had his time and while it was cut short to early the club has moved on from when he left whether forwards or backwards is a matter of opinion , i just dont think he would fit right now .
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Post by PaulHv2 on Sat 19 May 2012, 11:37 am

FreekShow wrote:
hampo171 wrote:
FreekShow wrote:
Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Tomorrow's Mirror claiming they're talking to Rafa.

Can't help but see it as a backwards step, hasn't exactly flourished since leaving.

As a Liverpool fan I'd be gutted to see him back at the helm.

Can I ask why though? Seriously if it is a straight choice between Roberto Martinez and Rafa Benitez I'd snap their hand off for Benitez. Liverpool need a manager who is going to attract players to come and play for the club, Benitez did this at Liverpool, Reina, Torres, Alonso, Garcia, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Kuyt, all brought in by him. If we go for Martinez we are stepping in to the unknown, he has no big club experience and we don't know who he'll bring in or be able to attract. When ever I hear about Martinez taking the job at Liverpool I have flash backs to the days we signed Poulsen and Konchesky and it worries me that he'll go and raid Wigan for players who are actually worse than the ones Kenny brought in.

How is Martinez going to get big club experience if he's not given the chance? It's not rocket science. There seems to be this same old argument on Martinez that quite frankly borders on snobbery.

Give Benitez two years at Wigan and he'd take them down having said that we should snap him up before some other club does because he is so sought after.


Not snobbery at all mate, I honestly don't think he's the right man for LFC. If he gets the job he'll have my full backing as every manager has and will do in the future, but I have a worry that he wouldn't be able to attract big players to the club.
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Post by Guest on Sat 19 May 2012, 11:41 am

hampo171 wrote:
FreekShow wrote:
hampo171 wrote:
FreekShow wrote:
Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Tomorrow's Mirror claiming they're talking to Rafa.

Can't help but see it as a backwards step, hasn't exactly flourished since leaving.

As a Liverpool fan I'd be gutted to see him back at the helm.

Can I ask why though? Seriously if it is a straight choice between Roberto Martinez and Rafa Benitez I'd snap their hand off for Benitez. Liverpool need a manager who is going to attract players to come and play for the club, Benitez did this at Liverpool, Reina, Torres, Alonso, Garcia, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Kuyt, all brought in by him. If we go for Martinez we are stepping in to the unknown, he has no big club experience and we don't know who he'll bring in or be able to attract. When ever I hear about Martinez taking the job at Liverpool I have flash backs to the days we signed Poulsen and Konchesky and it worries me that he'll go and raid Wigan for players who are actually worse than the ones Kenny brought in.

How is Martinez going to get big club experience if he's not given the chance? It's not rocket science. There seems to be this same old argument on Martinez that quite frankly borders on snobbery.

Give Benitez two years at Wigan and he'd take them down having said that we should snap him up before some other club does because he is so sought after.


Not snobbery at all mate, I honestly don't think he's the right man for LFC. If he gets the job he'll have my full backing as every manager has and will do in the future, but I have a worry that he wouldn't be able to attract big players to the club.

To be fair any manager is going to have his work cut out trying to sell Liverpool football club to a 'big' player at this moment in time.

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