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Post by mankiaow on Tue 19 Jun 2012, 9:08 pm

I just have a strong feeling that this could be the case.

When you look at it; the competition is in England. If you take a look at the respective European teams; England at home, Wales maturing nicely, France and Ireland moved on from transition and never rule out Scotland. Obviously, the SH teams will have moved on also but is it unrealistic?

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Post by Bullsbok on Tue 19 Jun 2012, 9:26 pm

Awwww no one wants to feed the Wum? you people are so mean i'll do it . Yes the SH will struggle to get a SF. And Japan is winning this particular world cup
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Post by wales606 on Tue 19 Jun 2012, 9:28 pm

Bullsbok wrote:Awwww no one wants to feed the Wum? you people are so mean i'll do it . Yes the SH will struggle to get a SF. And Japan is winning this particular world cup

I think you'll find that its Namibia's turn.

Japan can win at their WC in 2019.
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Post by SecretFly on Tue 19 Jun 2012, 9:31 pm

Assuming the SH usually means Tri-Nations. There is only three of them (well, in the top three places on rankings) and I still think at least two of them will be through to the quarters at the very least.

But it is a long way to go in rugby terms. Actually quite a lot of improvements needed for most NH sides but if the improvements happen then it'll be battles of will all round and SH won't have things easy. But then I don't think any of them are planning for easy. They're planning for hard - and that's the worry. Our present 'hard' is their 'quite easy'.

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Post by Biltong on Tue 19 Jun 2012, 9:31 pm

Yeah, Japanese crowds would love to win on their home grounds, afterwards it will be sashimi and sake
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Post by Barney McGrew did it on Tue 19 Jun 2012, 9:58 pm

England have already pencilled in the win at RWC'15 - it would be nice to beat a couple of SH teams on the way.
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Post by Shifty on Tue 19 Jun 2012, 10:02 pm

biltongbek wrote:Yeah, Japanese crowds would love to win on their home grounds, afterwards it will be sashimi and sake

Can't we have Geisha girls first? laughing

Or how about Cari and Dreamer to do it? heart
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Post by Biltong on Tue 19 Jun 2012, 10:03 pm

Shifty wrote:
biltongbek wrote:Yeah, Japanese crowds would love to win on their home grounds, afterwards it will be sashimi and sake

Can't we have Geisha girls first? laughing

Or how about Cari and Dreamer to do it? heart
Oh boy, someone's gonna be in trouble. Whistle
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Post by mankiaow on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 5:55 am

Bullsbok wrote:Awwww no one wants to feed the Wum? you people are so mean i'll do it . Yes the SH will struggle to get a SF. And Japan is winning this particular world cup

It's not meant as a wum. Just an observation. If you had said the opposite about the last RWC, not many would have argued.

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Post by emack2 on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 6:07 am

Nice one,lets take a look at the groups before deciding,then work out which NH side isn`t going to make it out of it`s Group. Are France ACTUALLY going try in all there games this time,3 finals they only turned up in one.Trouble is they barely functioned in the rest of the matchs.Is that the RWC TEMPLATE you want to see.A team creep out of its group,losing two matches then suddenly magically turn up and win a Final?IF SO Forget the RWC i`ll take up tiddly winks.

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Post by mankiaow on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 8:06 am

The French have always been like that. It must be infuriating to be a French rugby fan - all that talent and crazy inconsistency. But they are just one of what I believe will be four extremely competitive NH teams come 2015, maybe five.

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Post by dallym on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 10:46 am

More chance of Samoa reaching the semis than Scotland

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Post by RubyGuby on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 11:03 am

They've probaly got the 2015 RWC DVD finished already thumbsup

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Post by Thomond on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 11:07 am

Making a prediction 3 years ahead of the even is laughable.

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Post by Biltong on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 11:12 am

Thomond wrote:Making a prediction 3 years ahead of the even is laughable.


The prediction itself or the fact that there is a prediction? Whistle
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Post by Thomond on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 11:14 am

Both.

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Post by Biltong on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 11:17 am

Thomond wrote:Both.
Ye of little faith, BELIEVE.
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Post by mankiaow on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 11:46 am

Thomond wrote:Making a prediction 3 years ahead of the even is laughable.

No harm in looking ahead. That's what most teams will ultimately be planning for. The WC is the only time you get all teams properly equipped to take on each other and therefore the best time to properly judge their respective strengths.

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Post by Thomond on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 11:48 am

Any thing could happen between now and then. It's too far away. Just as selecting a squad with a look ahead to the next RWC is ridiculous.

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Post by Brendan on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 12:07 pm

To be honest I think it is possible that there will be two and two.
England look like they could be 2nd seeds so if that is the case I would still expect them to top thier group unless they get either NZ or SA which ever is the top team then.

So that could see Oz being second in their group again which I think could happen with France and Ireland.

It is possible for it to be all SH side again and Nh side

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Post by RubyGuby on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 12:09 pm

Brendan - What have you seen thus far from England that suggests they will top their group. Statements like that just intrigue me at the moment. thumbsup

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 12:13 pm

RubyGuby wrote:Brendan - What have you seen thus far from England that suggests they will top their group. Statements like that just intrigue me at the moment. thumbsup

Maybe that the thing is three years away and he's guessing? Like everyone else - guessing on how present form might evolve into form three years down the line. On that guess he's as accurate as the next guy.

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Post by Pal Joey on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 12:54 pm

Australia always wins RWC finals at Twickers though... did you factor that into your 'prediction'? Very Happy
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Post by RugbyFan182 on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 1:09 pm

Where does this Optimism come from? I dont believe that for a second I really hope you are right but I'll believe that when I see it Shocked

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 1:22 pm

People will struggle to know what the draw is.

Seems like a more relevant starting point for this debate.

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Post by mankiaow on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 1:27 pm

Without getting into specifics. The obvious factor is that it's a 'home' tournament for the NH teams. Chances are the prevailing weather conditions will suit them better. There were two semi-finalists in the last WC, so there is no reason to suggest that there could not be three or even four next time around. I personally feel that the 'gap', while it still exists, is narrowing.

Just a thought, that's all.

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 1:32 pm

Well you're entitled to that thought but just as possible is that NZ SA and AUstralia are in the semis. What happened last RWC is no indication of what will happen in the next one. But if you insist on seeing things that way try this fact: there hasn't been a RWC yet with no team from the SH or NH not making the semis. Not to mention if a gap still exists then why the struggle to get a semi finalist, other than home advantage and weather? Looks more like wishful thinking to me.

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Post by Brendan on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 1:32 pm

In the last two years england have only lost one game in the 6nations each year.

They have the most depth in the NH and have the phyiscal power to beat or equal everyone except SA as shown by their tests and Ireland v NZ

They will be playing infront of home crowd with a solid squad. Who will be retiring from England between now and then. They also feel like they will win at home which as much as we hate it gives them an advantage in tight games.

Ireland and France have people leaving and coming in and wales is set up in such a way that young players could be replaced by younger players so may not be one team for 4 years like they should be.

As Fly said I'm just guessing and untill we see the groups who knows but the only way I see England not making a semi is if they get NZ/SA in the group and the other in the quarter.

SA have the money and have enough players that I think they will be the number one team in 2 years as they will always have the power but may have the pace aswell.

Hopefully it will be the wettest september-november on record and scotland will lose narrowly to ireland in the final

Also think money might get tighter in Oz and Nz so they may lose more to overseas thus losing national players.

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Post by Biltong on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 1:40 pm

Don't forget 1999 and 2007 was also held in Europe..
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Post by thebandwagonsociety on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 1:41 pm

Each of the tri-nations teams will be top seed in their group. If both win through their group, they won't meet each other until the semi finals.
But one tri nations team might lose a match in the group stage. That could leave two tri-nation sides facing each other in the quarter finals.
Or else we are saying that NH lose to SH teams in the group stage and then knock them all out in the quarter final stages.
Thinking through the above, it would be a struggle to have less than 2 tri-nations teams in the semi's. Form would suggest all 3 make it.

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Post by mankiaow on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 1:49 pm

The point I was making was that it would not be unrealistic, in my opinion. Whereas in previous years, it would perhaps have been closer to unthinkable.

It took just one unexpected result in last years competition (Irl v Aus) to upsst the seedings. I think there could be more surprises next time around.

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Post by Pal Joey on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 1:55 pm

biltongbek wrote:Don't forget 1999 and 2007 was also held in Europe..

and 1991. 2015 will be the same. We are the kings of Europe! Smile
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Post by Biltong on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 1:58 pm

Linebreaker wrote:
biltongbek wrote:Don't forget 1999 and 2007 was also held in Europe..

and 1991. 2015 will be the same. We are the kings of Europe! Smile
Laugh Forgot about 1991.

We are actuall y better than NZ, we both won in europe. Whistle
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Post by Pal Joey on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 2:02 pm

Yes true, but you still need to score a try in the final! Whistle
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Post by Biltong on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 2:03 pm

Linebreaker wrote:Yes true, but you still need to score a try in the final! Whistle
Can't help it if you guys play weak opposition. Yahoo
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Post by Biltong on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 2:04 pm

Besides, we don't need to score tries in finals, cause we don't let any through. Whistle
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Post by Pal Joey on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 2:10 pm

Go easy Biltong. Smile

First you talk about "the big 5" and now you call the team you beat 36-0 the week before the '07 final "strong opposition"? Laugh

(Oh... I see what you're doing now. Very clever OK )
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Post by Pal Joey on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 2:26 pm

biltongbek wrote:RWC 2015 - SH will struggle to get a semi-finalist. Innoce10

....and thank you for not mentioning Marseilles. You are a true gentleman and a fine Boer. Wink
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Post by Biltong on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 2:29 pm

Linebreaker wrote:
biltongbek wrote:RWC 2015 - SH will struggle to get a semi-finalist. Innoce10

....and thank you for not mentioning Marseilles. You are a true gentleman and a fine Boer. Wink

To tell you the truth I am not all that fine, I am a bit gruff and rough around the edges.RWC 2015 - SH will struggle to get a semi-finalist. Smiley-laughing021
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Post by Pal Joey on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 2:38 pm

biltongbek wrote:
Linebreaker wrote:
biltongbek wrote:RWC 2015 - SH will struggle to get a semi-finalist. Innoce10

....and thank you for not mentioning Marseilles. You are a true gentleman and a fine Boer. Wink

To tell you the truth I am not all that fine, I am a bit gruff and rough around the edges.RWC 2015 - SH will struggle to get a semi-finalist. Smiley-laughing021

Laugh I wish I had a warthog smiley. You'll find one no doubt...
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Post by Biltong on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 2:49 pm

Linebreaker wrote:
biltongbek wrote:
Linebreaker wrote:
biltongbek wrote:RWC 2015 - SH will struggle to get a semi-finalist. Innoce10

....and thank you for not mentioning Marseilles. You are a true gentleman and a fine Boer. Wink

To tell you the truth I am not all that fine, I am a bit gruff and rough around the edges.RWC 2015 - SH will struggle to get a semi-finalist. Smiley-laughing021

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Post by Pal Joey on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 3:47 pm

biltongbek wrote:
Linebreaker wrote:
biltongbek wrote:
Linebreaker wrote:
biltongbek wrote:RWC 2015 - SH will struggle to get a semi-finalist. Innoce10

....and thank you for not mentioning Marseilles. You are a true gentleman and a fine Boer. Wink

To tell you the truth I am not all that fine, I am a bit gruff and rough around the edges.RWC 2015 - SH will struggle to get a semi-finalist. Smiley-laughing021

Laugh I wish I had a warthog smiley. You'll find one no doubt...

RWC 2015 - SH will struggle to get a semi-finalist. Gorill10 All I could find, sorry.

Looks like an England forward.... oh, hang on. It's got hair! Laugh
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Post by Full Credit on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 3:53 pm

... and it probably doesn't smell as bad.

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Post by Equo Troiano on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 3:58 pm

mankiaow wrote:I just have a strong feeling that this could be the case.

When you look at it; the competition is in England. If you take a look at the respective European teams; England at home, Wales maturing nicely, France and Ireland moved on from transition and never rule out Scotland. Obviously, the SH teams will have moved on also but is it unrealistic?

Sorry, but i think you pretty much can actually.

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Post by Taylorman on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 8:29 pm

mankiaow wrote:I just have a strong feeling that this could be the case.

When you look at it; the competition is in England. If you take a look at the respective European teams; England at home, Wales maturing nicely, France and Ireland moved on from transition and never rule out Scotland. Obviously, the SH teams will have moved on also but is it unrealistic?

Although an obvious wum that lame argument almost convinces me the last 4 will be the 3N and Argentina, who with 4 tournaments behind them with the SH sides will be no. 4 ranked by then.

Draw permitting of course.

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Post by Bullsbok on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 11:55 pm

Taylorman wrote:
mankiaow wrote:I just have a strong feeling that this could be the case.

When you look at it; the competition is in England. If you take a look at the respective European teams; England at home, Wales maturing nicely, France and Ireland moved on from transition and never rule out Scotland. Obviously, the SH teams will have moved on also but is it unrealistic?

Although an obvious wum that lame argument almost convinces me the last 4 will be the 3N and Argentina, who with 4 tournaments behind them with the SH sides will be no. 4 ranked by then.

Draw permitting of course.

Now wouldnt that be great Very Happy imagine 2014 EOYT , the big 4 coming out in force vs 6N. That being said i seriously dont understand this thread. What evidence did the OP use to come to this ridiculous suggestion? Was it the NH dominance in the last 2 weeks? Whistle Or maybe NH dominance in world cups in general.it boggles my mind .The way i see it , two SH teams will make it to the semis at the very least.
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Post by blackcanelion on Thu 21 Jun 2012, 12:05 am

I have no doubt that the IRB will ensure one or two NH semi finalists and a finalist.

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Post by Taylorman on Thu 21 Jun 2012, 1:03 am

blackcanelion wrote:I have no doubt that the IRB will ensure one or two NH semi finalists and a finalist.

Yep...Lawrence and Barnes are shoe-ins for quarter finals matches...

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Post by Biltong on Thu 21 Jun 2012, 7:31 am

Taylorman wrote:
blackcanelion wrote:I have no doubt that the IRB will ensure one or two NH semi finalists and a finalist.

Yep...Lawrence and Barnes are shoe-ins for quarter finals matches...
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