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Post by KP_fan on Sun 12 Aug 2012, 5:13 pm

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Did they just cut the nose to spite the face ?

Yes indeed ECB cut their nose to spite their face.

With 7000 runs, 88 tests @ 50+ average, a big 100 in his last overseas innings in Lanka to keep England hanging in as No. 1 and another big hundred in what was defnitely his LAST test to yet again keep them hanging by a flimsy thread as No.1....KP's status as their biggest superstar in the last 3 decades and a legend in English cricket is already confirmed.


The intent obviously was to "hit back and hurt back".......instead of finding ways to reconcile and move forward.
Unfortunately ECB's timing was as bad as their intent.
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If it was repraminding and putting down a newbie with 20 odd tests and 1500 runs.....then ECB's intent to "hit back and hurt" may have worked.......but here they have probably added martyrdom to an exisiting superstardom.

KP could have finished with 9000 or even 10,000 runs in the next 3 years....even without those extra 2,000 runs runs..nothing changes in his standing as a cricketer...the loser is English cricket.

An extraordinary batsman, who served England well for long, a flawed genius who acknowledged his flawed emotionalism and one who took severeal steps towards reconcillation....the super star who was made a martyr today by the bureaucrats who did a classic " cut their nose to spite their own face"......is how history would sum it up when dust settles over this issue.
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Post by msp83 on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 8:59 pm

KP has scored consistently, has taken most of his catches, haven't deliberately ran anyone out. He even stepped in as a spinner when the captain and coach made a historic blunder during the last match. There hasn't been any complaints that he hasn't been training either. Cricket is an individualistic team game and thus is different from say football.

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Post by Hibbz on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:01 pm

Mike Selig wrote:Frankly if people don't understand that having someone like KP in a side can be problematic to team performance/morale then they have never been involved in team sport in any way. These are guys who spend half the year together, of course team spirit matters!

The question is whether you can manage someone so he doesn't have that detrimental effect. Sometimes there comes a time when it is impossible, or when the damage he is causing far outweighs what potential positives he brings by performing. Clearly Flower and co feel that they have reached this point with KP. We don't actually know all the details, so aren't qualified to comment, but I would suggest if what is being rumoured about the texts is true then they are right.

Frankly if someone lets personal feelings for another member of their team affect their own performance then they don't have the mental strength to perform on the international stage in the first place.

Kevin doesn't like the people he works with/for but still performs why can't the rest of them?

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:06 pm

[quote="Toadfish"][quote="KP_fan"]
GSC wrote: Anyone remember swammycricketananda from the old 606?

Indeed, he had a propensity for getting massively worked up about completely irrelevant issues like how many days play there were in warm up matches for touring sides.... Very Happy

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Post by Mike Selig on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:08 pm

Hibbz wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:Frankly if people don't understand that having someone like KP in a side can be problematic to team performance/morale then they have never been involved in team sport in any way. These are guys who spend half the year together, of course team spirit matters!

The question is whether you can manage someone so he doesn't have that detrimental effect. Sometimes there comes a time when it is impossible, or when the damage he is causing far outweighs what potential positives he brings by performing. Clearly Flower and co feel that they have reached this point with KP. We don't actually know all the details, so aren't qualified to comment, but I would suggest if what is being rumoured about the texts is true then they are right.

Frankly if someone lets personal feelings for another member of their team affect their own performance then they don't have the mental strength to perform on the international stage in the first place.

Kevin doesn't like the people he works with/for but still performs why can't the rest of them?

Are you seriously saying that you expect the same kind of performances from a team with perfect dressing-room harmony as from one at war with itself? If not, then we accept that team harmony does have an effect on team performances, in which case I refer again to my second paragraph.

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Post by GSC on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:09 pm

[quote="Corporalhumblebucket"][quote="Toadfish"]
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GSC wrote: Anyone remember swammycricketananda from the old 606?

Indeed, he had a propensity for getting massively worked up about completely irrelevant issues like how many days play there were in warm up matches for touring sides.... Very Happy

Those were the days haha
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Post by GSC on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:09 pm

Remember how India were going to come over here and bat us into oblivion
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Post by skyeman on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:10 pm

Hibbz wrote:Okay Sky, that makes more sense and I agree it's low though probably a jokey knee-jerk to someone he sees (saw) as a pal.

I'm not necessarily defending KP as a person he certainly makes himself a soft target even if I like him, I was more disagreeing with your assertion that he was detrimental to the performances of the other players in the team and certainly the team as a whole.

No way in my opinion the team is better without him warts and all. (I've stated in another thread that I don't think less of Bresnan for saying it though).


Totally agree, if he were to be more sensible, of course he would benefit the team. But recent events have made his place impossible.

And just today Anderson saying that the KP saga is starting to distract the team.


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Post by ShankyCricket on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:10 pm

In simple words, if the other players are letting the KP issue distract them and affect their on field performances, then they really need to consider their professionalism. They need to realise that they are representing their country at an international sport.
KP, despite himself being in the centre of all the controversies, has been professional enough not to let it affect his on field performances. Others could maybe learn a thing or two from him.

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Post by skyeman on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:12 pm

If only life were so simple Wink

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Post by Mike Selig on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:15 pm

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:In simple words, if the other players are letting the KP issue distract them and affect their on field performances, then they really need to consider their professionalism. They need to realise that they are representing their country at an international sport.
KP, despite himself being in the centre of all the controversies, has been professional enough not to let it affect his on field performances. Others could maybe learn a thing or two from him.

I think you are being too simplistic. Not everything is measurable. I'm sure every single player goes out there and gives their absolute all in every moment, but I'm equally sure that it is impossible for poor team morale not to have an effect.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:15 pm

And what do the supporters of the power monsters say about KP not being allowed to play the CC match? Team spirit? Has he texted someone at Mids? Is it because the opposing side is that of the England captain?
Or is it because it might end up backfiring and expose their inconsistencies and idiocies further?

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Post by GSC on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:16 pm

Funny how everytime KP gets booted out he ends up the victim.
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Post by ShankyCricket on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:17 pm

Mike is going on and on about team spirit again. I remember him saying something similar about Gayle too. And now that Gayle is back in the WI team, the results are there for all to see.
The idea that a team can actually be better without picking your best player because of a silly "team principle" is beyond laughable.

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Post by GSC on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:20 pm

The idea that a team together is stronger when everybody pulls together as opposed to when they all play as individuals.
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Post by skyeman on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:20 pm

Was not Cook, Bell and Trott in the recent past called Englands best player?

Ask the team if they feel better?

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Post by GSC on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:21 pm

In any case, I suspect KP will be back pending a public apology, and very much on his last strike.
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Post by Hibbz on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:22 pm

Mike Selig wrote:
Hibbz wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:Frankly if people don't understand that having someone like KP in a side can be problematic to team performance/morale then they have never been involved in team sport in any way. These are guys who spend half the year together, of course team spirit matters!

The question is whether you can manage someone so he doesn't have that detrimental effect. Sometimes there comes a time when it is impossible, or when the damage he is causing far outweighs what potential positives he brings by performing. Clearly Flower and co feel that they have reached this point with KP. We don't actually know all the details, so aren't qualified to comment, but I would suggest if what is being rumoured about the texts is true then they are right.

Frankly if someone lets personal feelings for another member of their team affect their own performance then they don't have the mental strength to perform on the international stage in the first place.

Kevin doesn't like the people he works with/for but still performs why can't the rest of them?

Are you seriously saying that you expect the same kind of performances from a team with perfect dressing-room harmony as from one at war with itself? If not, then we accept that team harmony does have an effect on team performances, in which case I refer again to my second paragraph.

You'd better believe I expect it. Those that can't produce it need to question themselves not look for excuses. All was fine until they started losing a few and now they're hiding behind excuses. Anderson the latest. Again Kevin can do it why can't they?

As for the second paragraph if you've got a player that plays like he's special and wants to be treated like he's special then I'd have thought the best policy was to treat him like he's special. If the others don't like it then they need to make themselves special or pipe down. I've also noticed that those with records that compare to KP's have been the quietest (Cook/Trott) so I'm guessing they aren't too bothered by his ego.

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Post by Hibbz on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:27 pm

GSC wrote:Funny how everytime KP gets booted out he ends up the victim.

Well yeah, it's him that's been "booted out" every time. Who would you say was the victim?

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Post by ShankyCricket on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:28 pm

Unlike say Football, cricket is a sport where individual brilliance plays a huge role. I firmly believe that in cricket, a team is a sum of its parts. Should always pick the best players unless of course, a player is openly abusing a teammate in the dressing room or something like that.
As far as I'm aware, thats not what is happening in KP's case. If the players are letting an "allegedly" derogatory private message, the contents of which are unknown, affect their performances then thats thoroughly unprofessional on their part.

But hey, lets drop the guy who is the sole reason why this series is still alive.

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Post by Mike Selig on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:28 pm

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Mike is going on and on about team spirit again. I remember him saying something similar about Gayle too. And now that Gayle is back in the WI team, the results are there for all to see.
The idea that a team can actually be better without picking your best player because of a silly "team principle" is beyond laughable.

West Indies were right to drop Gayle. They were also right to pick him again after he made clear efforts to show he wanted to commit, and I have admitted as much. The results are beating a very poor NZ side, so I wouldn't say too much yet, but they are certainly promising. But I would suggest that a lot of that is because they are playing as a TEAM now - it is more a case of Gayle slotting into a team going in the right direction and making them stronger. Anyway this is off-topic.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:28 pm

In the West Indies case the administrative argument was the cricketing deadweight who was appointed captain because of political reasons was building lots of team spirit. Even an otherwise informed poster like mike had problems with Gayle smiling and he characterize Gayle as a player capable of playing a few little cameos and nothing more. His past and current record would just speak for itself.

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Post by Mike Selig on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:29 pm

Hibbz wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:
Hibbz wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:Frankly if people don't understand that having someone like KP in a side can be problematic to team performance/morale then they have never been involved in team sport in any way. These are guys who spend half the year together, of course team spirit matters!

The question is whether you can manage someone so he doesn't have that detrimental effect. Sometimes there comes a time when it is impossible, or when the damage he is causing far outweighs what potential positives he brings by performing. Clearly Flower and co feel that they have reached this point with KP. We don't actually know all the details, so aren't qualified to comment, but I would suggest if what is being rumoured about the texts is true then they are right.

Frankly if someone lets personal feelings for another member of their team affect their own performance then they don't have the mental strength to perform on the international stage in the first place.

Kevin doesn't like the people he works with/for but still performs why can't the rest of them?

Are you seriously saying that you expect the same kind of performances from a team with perfect dressing-room harmony as from one at war with itself? If not, then we accept that team harmony does have an effect on team performances, in which case I refer again to my second paragraph.

You'd better believe I expect it.

Then you know nothing about team sport, in which case further debate is futile.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:32 pm

If you say Pietersen can keep up the level of performance in an environment that is not the best for him the others should also be able to do that then you know nothing about team sports!. Very interesting.

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Post by Mike Selig on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:33 pm

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Should always pick the best players unless [...]

The "unless" is the crucial bit. We will all have our marks of what "unless" here is followed by. For me it's "their overall effect on team performances is negative". I will maintain that Gayle reached this during the last WC and KP has reached it now.

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Post by skyeman on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:34 pm

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Mike Selig wrote:
Hibbz wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:Frankly if people don't understand that having someone like KP in a side can be problematic to team performance/morale then they have never been involved in team sport in any way. These are guys who spend half the year together, of course team spirit matters!

The question is whether you can manage someone so he doesn't have that detrimental effect. Sometimes there comes a time when it is impossible, or when the damage he is causing far outweighs what potential positives he brings by performing. Clearly Flower and co feel that they have reached this point with KP. We don't actually know all the details, so aren't qualified to comment, but I would suggest if what is being rumoured about the texts is true then they are right.

Frankly if someone lets personal feelings for another member of their team affect their own performance then they don't have the mental strength to perform on the international stage in the first place.

Kevin doesn't like the people he works with/for but still performs why can't the rest of them?

Are you seriously saying that you expect the same kind of performances from a team with perfect dressing-room harmony as from one at war with itself? If not, then we accept that team harmony does have an effect on team performances, in which case I refer again to my second paragraph.

You'd better believe I expect it. Those that can't produce it need to question themselves not look for excuses. All was fine until they started losing a few and now they're hiding behind excuses. Anderson the latest. Again Kevin can do it why can't they?

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KP could'nt do it in the UAE. All the bowlers did. As have Cook and Trott this series.

Swings and roundabouts.

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Post by Mike Selig on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:38 pm

msp83 wrote:If you say Pietersen can keep up the level of performance in an environment that is not the best for him the others should also be able to do that then you know nothing about team sports!. Very interesting.

That's not what I said. I said if you say team morale has no effect on team performance then you know nothing about team sports. I maintain that.


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Post by msp83 on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:41 pm

What about Pietersen not being allowed to play the county match despite him wanting to play it? ECB trying to hunt him out of English cricket all together? Pathetic absolute witch hunt.

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Post by Hibbz on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:42 pm

Mike Selig wrote:
Hibbz wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:
Hibbz wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:Frankly if people don't understand that having someone like KP in a side can be problematic to team performance/morale then they have never been involved in team sport in any way. These are guys who spend half the year together, of course team spirit matters!

The question is whether you can manage someone so he doesn't have that detrimental effect. Sometimes there comes a time when it is impossible, or when the damage he is causing far outweighs what potential positives he brings by performing. Clearly Flower and co feel that they have reached this point with KP. We don't actually know all the details, so aren't qualified to comment, but I would suggest if what is being rumoured about the texts is true then they are right.

Frankly if someone lets personal feelings for another member of their team affect their own performance then they don't have the mental strength to perform on the international stage in the first place.

Kevin doesn't like the people he works with/for but still performs why can't the rest of them?



Are you seriously saying that you expect the same kind of performances from a team with perfect dressing-room harmony as from one at war with itself? If not, then we accept that team harmony does have an effect on team performances, in which case I refer again to my second paragraph.

You'd better believe I expect it.
I know nothing about team sport, further debate is futile.

If you want to quote me do it in full please.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:44 pm

Adam Gilchrist and Shane Warne never liked each other as publically admited by both, but Warney's best bowling performances in India came under Gilly's captaincy.

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Post by skyeman on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:45 pm

msp83 wrote:What about Pietersen not being allowed to play the county match despite him wanting to play it? ECB trying to hunt him out of English cricket all together? Pathetic absolute witch hunt.


Don't agree with that at all. KP will be back for England at some stage once he comes to his senses.

Unless he does yet another u-turn.


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Post by Mike Selig on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:45 pm

Anyway this debate has run in circles. I have always been a big KP fan, always said he's one of England's (few) genuine match-winners, a player I will always make an effort to watch because he is so entertaining, and probably the player in the England side the opposition will spend the longest time worrying about.

None of this detracts from his faults as a human being, namely that he's selfish, not very nice and from these recent developments it would appear not very intelligent.

Flower and his team-mates have accepted this, and put up with it for all these years because it was rightfully felt that you could ignore most of his failings and that the benefits he brought to the side far surpassed them. Clearly Flower at least now feels this is no longer the case. If what is rumoured is true then I fully agree with Flower.

This not need be the end of KP's England career - if he shows appropriate motivation then there is no reason why he can't be picked again in the future. But for now at least, Flower clearly feels he has run out of options (having already warned, publicly warned, fined).

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Post by Mike Selig on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:46 pm

Hibbz wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:
Hibbz wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:
Hibbz wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:Frankly if people don't understand that having someone like KP in a side can be problematic to team performance/morale then they have never been involved in team sport in any way. These are guys who spend half the year together, of course team spirit matters!

The question is whether you can manage someone so he doesn't have that detrimental effect. Sometimes there comes a time when it is impossible, or when the damage he is causing far outweighs what potential positives he brings by performing. Clearly Flower and co feel that they have reached this point with KP. We don't actually know all the details, so aren't qualified to comment, but I would suggest if what is being rumoured about the texts is true then they are right.

Frankly if someone lets personal feelings for another member of their team affect their own performance then they don't have the mental strength to perform on the international stage in the first place.

Kevin doesn't like the people he works with/for but still performs why can't the rest of them?



Are you seriously saying that you expect the same kind of performances from a team with perfect dressing-room harmony as from one at war with itself? If not, then we accept that team harmony does have an effect on team performances, in which case I refer again to my second paragraph.

You'd better believe I expect it.
I know nothing about team sport, further debate is futile.

If you want to quote me do it in full please.

You answered a yes or no question with yes. Your justifications for that answer are irrelevant, because your answer is enough.

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Post by skyeman on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:51 pm

Kevin Pietersen has apologised for sending texts allegedly criticising England team-mates to South Africa players, according to former England captain Alec Stewart.

The batsman has been dropped for the third Test against South Africa.
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Stewart said it was his understanding Pietersen had "apologised and would like to be involved" with England.

Discussions between Pietersen and the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) are still ongoing.

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Post by ShankyCricket on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:52 pm

I really dont see whats wrong in criticising a stubborn, autocratic coach and a non performing captain via a private message.

Anyways, it seems he has apologised from what I have been reading on Twitter. Not that I believe he is in the wrong with regards to text messages but this apology seems the right way forward for both the parties. And as Fists said, KP can always lay into the ECB via his autobiography once he finishes with his international career.

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Post by KP_fan on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:53 pm

msp83 wrote:Adam Gilchrist and Shane Warne never liked each other as publically admited by both, but Warney's best bowling performances in India came under Gilly's captaincy.

Marsh, Lille and Thommo didn't like Kim Hughes and yet delivered good show for their country....

Warne was miffed at ponting being made the captain instead of him ........and yet he delievred

there wasn't exactly harmony between Ganguly the captain and seniors like Kumble and Tendulakr......

Gavaskar and Bedi.....Gavaskar and Kapil
Boycott and many others....

Flintoff said things about Hussain the captain in public.....

that's grown up men for you......alpha males......men will be men...

you've gotta leave them to sort out a bit between themselves........a bit of a jungle law....
Flower is grooming them to be pansies....and they all gang up to hunt down the odd-MAN-out......

but he forgets they have to compete in the world of grown up men


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Post by Hibbz on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:53 pm

Mike Selig wrote:
Hibbz wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:
Hibbz wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:
Hibbz wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:Frankly if people don't understand that having someone like KP in a side can be problematic to team performance/morale then they have never been involved in team sport in any way. These are guys who spend half the year together, of course team spirit matters!

The question is whether you can manage someone so he doesn't have that detrimental effect. Sometimes there comes a time when it is impossible, or when the damage he is causing far outweighs what potential positives he brings by performing. Clearly Flower and co feel that they have reached this point with KP. We don't actually know all the details, so aren't qualified to comment, but I would suggest if what is being rumoured about the texts is true then they are right.

Frankly if someone lets personal feelings for another member of their team affect their own performance then they don't have the mental strength to perform on the international stage in the first place.

Kevin doesn't like the people he works with/for but still performs why can't the rest of them?



Are you seriously saying that you expect the same kind of performances from a team with perfect dressing-room harmony as from one at war with itself? If not, then we accept that team harmony does have an effect on team performances, in which case I refer again to my second paragraph.

You'd better believe I expect it.
I know nothing about team sport, further debate is futile.

If you want to quote me do it in full please.

You answered a yes or no question with yes. Your justifications for that answer are irrelevant, because your answer is enough.

Whilst you are willing to accept someone in a team of professional sportsmen performing below their best just because they don't like someone else in the team.

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Post by skyeman on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:56 pm

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:I really dont see whats wrong in criticising a stubborn, autocratic coach and a non performing captain via a private message.

Anyways, it seems he has apologised from what I have been reading on Twitter. Not that I believe he is in the wrong with regards to text messages but this apology seems the right way forward for both the parties. And as Fists said, KP can always lay into the ECB via his autobiography once he finishes with his international career.


You don't think it wrong to ask the opposistion to get a fellow team-mate out quickly as reported?

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Post by JDizzle on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:57 pm

So KP has said sorry. Who knows where that leaves is. I am not sure I care any more.

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Post by skyeman on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:59 pm

JDizzle wrote:So KP has said sorry. Who knows where that leaves is. I am not sure I care any more.


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Post by Hibbz on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:59 pm

skyeman wrote:
shankythebiggestengfan wrote:I really dont see whats wrong in criticising a stubborn, autocratic coach and a non performing captain via a private message.

Anyways, it seems he has apologised from what I have been reading on Twitter. Not that I believe he is in the wrong with regards to text messages but this apology seems the right way forward for both the parties. And as Fists said, KP can always lay into the ECB via his autobiography once he finishes with his international career.


You don't think it wrong to ask the opposistion to get a fellow team-mate out quickly as reported?

Eh, you were saying just now that he meant get him out of the side? Not sure the opposition can do that.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 9:59 pm

Fists and Shanky, I too just hope KP would put up with the nonsense and give in for now, and expose the idiots ones he's done. He's too valuable a cricketer to be lost to international cricket.

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Re: Cut the nose to spite the face

Post by skyeman on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 10:04 pm

Hibbz wrote:
skyeman wrote:
shankythebiggestengfan wrote:I really dont see whats wrong in criticising a stubborn, autocratic coach and a non performing captain via a private message.

Anyways, it seems he has apologised from what I have been reading on Twitter. Not that I believe he is in the wrong with regards to text messages but this apology seems the right way forward for both the parties. And as Fists said, KP can always lay into the ECB via his autobiography once he finishes with his international career.


You don't think it wrong to ask the opposistion to get a fellow team-mate out quickly as reported?

Eh, you were saying just now that he meant get him out of the side? Not sure the opposition can do that.

No, but getting him out would have helped KP, thought i explained that.

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Post by KP_fan on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 10:05 pm

OMG...he has said sorry.

The lowliifes will use his apology as the evidence of guilt that was missing so far...and nail him to the ground further.

if they do anything else....it would be a refreshing surprise
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Re: Cut the nose to spite the face

Post by msp83 on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 10:11 pm

Hugh whatever and other idiots at the ECB still can use this and deny Pietersen the chance to participate in the World T-20, fine him, suspend him, or do both. Thankfully it doesn't seem there are provisions to shoot him!.

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Post by JDizzle on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 10:12 pm

skyeman wrote:
JDizzle wrote:So KP has said sorry. Who knows where that leaves is. I am not sure I care any more.


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It's certainly filled the Olympics sized hole in my life well!

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Re: Cut the nose to spite the face

Post by skyeman on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 10:14 pm

KP admitting he was wrong, must have been hard on his ego.

Shame he could not have done this in May.

Called their bluff and failed big time and been made to look like a bufoon.

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Post by skyeman on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 10:24 pm

The ECB have failed to make Pietersen available for Surrey in their vital relegation championship match against Middlesex, at the Oval, beginning on Wednesday, as both parties recognised that it would be in appropriate as confidential negotiations were reaching a delicate stage.

No witch hunt there then.

I suppose we all should hear the facts first Rolling Eyes But a wee bit of assuming never hurts Very Happy

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Post by msp83 on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 10:39 pm

The question though Skyeman, is whether the ECB would be satisfied with this latest chapter of humiliating him? Or have they got more in stor? I have a feeling the latter is going to be the case, and there is a very real chance of the cricketing fraternity being robbed of a phinomenal tallent a bit too early. Wouldn't really enjoy much seeing Pietersen smashing hapless bowlers around in IPL when he could do it against the best in the most testing format.
I don't know I somehow started following England over the BBC radio in the late 1990s and ended up developing a very close affinity to English cricket, even during tough times. Even when Nas Hussain used negative bowling strategy against India in India I defended the English and pointed out if someone like a Virender Sehwag could meet the challenge head on through a positive attitude it could be done. Then came Fredye Flintoff, Trescothick, Vaughan, Strauss(yes, I wrote post after post in the old 606 supporting him when Strauss was dropped from the team during the CB series and then the world cup in 07 and always rated him as a One Day player), Pietersen and Swann. England became the favorite side along with India. Throughout this there have been high points as well as low ones. Losses after losses against the Australians in the ashes to be turned around after 2005 disappointing world cups and then a global T-20 trophy. Flintoff's stupidity and the aftermaths of the same has been the lowest point so far.
But this I feel has outdone that. Despite his odd behavior throughout the saga, I very strongly felt and still do feel that Kevin Pietersen deserves a lot more than abject humiliation by incompetent and equally blameworthy administration/team management.
I hope there would be a better ending for all this nonsense, but I very much doubt that.

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Re: Cut the nose to spite the face

Post by DouglasJardinesbox on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 10:44 pm

skyeman wrote:KP admitting he was wrong, must have been hard on his ego.

Shame he could not have done this in May.

Called their bluff and failed big time and been made to look like a bufoon.

Excellent. Now I will await the ECB's apology for leaking confidential discussions. Swann being made to apologise for slagging of KP in his book, Anderson & Bresnan for stabbing KP in the back. So when and if KP returns, will these brown nosers be dropped for bringing disharmony into the dressing room? If I had a 2 year old grandson, he could manage the team better. But I don't...

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Re: Cut the nose to spite the face

Post by skyeman on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 10:52 pm

msp83 wrote:The question though Skyeman, is whether the ECB would be satisfied with this latest chapter of humiliating him? Or have they got more in stor? I have a feeling the latter is going to be the case, and there is a very real chance of the cricketing fraternity being robbed of a phinomenal tallent a bit too early. Wouldn't really enjoy much seeing Pietersen smashing hapless bowlers around in IPL when he could do it against the best in the most testing format.
I don't know I somehow started following England over the BBC radio in the late 1990s and ended up developing a very close affinity to English cricket, even during tough times. Even when Nas Hussain used negative bowling strategy against India in India I defended the English and pointed out if someone like a Virender Sehwag could meet the challenge head on through a positive attitude it could be done. Then came Fredye Flintoff, Trescothick, Vaughan, Strauss(yes, I wrote post after post in the old 606 supporting him when Strauss was dropped from the team during the CB series and then the world cup in 07 and always rated him as a One Day player), Pietersen and Swann. England became the favorite side along with India. Throughout this there have been high points as well as low ones. Losses after losses against the Australians in the ashes to be turned around after 2005 disappointing world cups and then a global T-20 trophy. Flintoff's stupidity and the aftermaths of the same has been the lowest point so far.
But this I feel has outdone that. Despite his odd behavior throughout the saga, I very strongly felt and still do feel that Kevin Pietersen deserves a lot more than abject humiliation by incompetent and equally blameworthy administration/team management.
I hope there would be a better ending for all this nonsense, but I very much doubt that.


Don't worry msp i am sure Flower will have him back soon. Flower has now had the apology and gotten KP's committment. Flower has always played to win and knows his chances are better with KP in the team.

As for humiliation imo KP is 90% at fault for that, but as he states he does not dwell on the past.

Just hope that all in the team can deal with it.

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