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Post by KP_fan on Sun 12 Aug 2012, 5:13 pm

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Did they just cut the nose to spite the face ?

Yes indeed ECB cut their nose to spite their face.

With 7000 runs, 88 tests @ 50+ average, a big 100 in his last overseas innings in Lanka to keep England hanging in as No. 1 and another big hundred in what was defnitely his LAST test to yet again keep them hanging by a flimsy thread as No.1....KP's status as their biggest superstar in the last 3 decades and a legend in English cricket is already confirmed.


The intent obviously was to "hit back and hurt back".......instead of finding ways to reconcile and move forward.
Unfortunately ECB's timing was as bad as their intent.
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If it was repraminding and putting down a newbie with 20 odd tests and 1500 runs.....then ECB's intent to "hit back and hurt" may have worked.......but here they have probably added martyrdom to an exisiting superstardom.

KP could have finished with 9000 or even 10,000 runs in the next 3 years....even without those extra 2,000 runs runs..nothing changes in his standing as a cricketer...the loser is English cricket.

An extraordinary batsman, who served England well for long, a flawed genius who acknowledged his flawed emotionalism and one who took severeal steps towards reconcillation....the super star who was made a martyr today by the bureaucrats who did a classic " cut their nose to spite their own face"......is how history would sum it up when dust settles over this issue.
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Post by msp83 on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 10:58 pm

Lets hope so. And lets hope this public humiliation won't finish off the fire in Pietersen. The captaincy debacle, the breach of trust left a lasting mark on him, hopefully if he somehow makes his way back to the team he would be able to get over this and remain the player that he has been.

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Post by skyeman on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 10:59 pm

Gonna be several great cricket books in a few years time Very Happy

Strauss's to be the first, once he has retired of course Wink

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Post by msp83 on Tue 14 Aug 2012, 11:06 pm

I am very interested to hear KP's side, the full version on this saga. I am sure the political science bit in me would also look forward to it, as there could be interesting points about multiculturalism and stuff.
What about Flower A cricketer whom I had the greatest respect for, as a superb batsman across conditions, as a champion of democracy....... But I totally dislike his regimented style to coaching, completely at odds with the kind of spirit he embodied as a player and even should I say an activist? Having seen the GC and then the GK ways in Indian cricket, I think I have enough reasons to prefer the latter.

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Post by DouglasJardinesbox on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 7:46 am

skyeman wrote:
msp83 wrote:The question though Skyeman, is whether the ECB would be satisfied with this latest chapter of humiliating him? Or have they got more in stor? I have a feeling the latter is going to be the case, and there is a very real chance of the cricketing fraternity being robbed of a phinomenal tallent a bit too early. Wouldn't really enjoy much seeing Pietersen smashing hapless bowlers around in IPL when he could do it against the best in the most testing format.
I don't know I somehow started following England over the BBC radio in the late 1990s and ended up developing a very close affinity to English cricket, even during tough times. Even when Nas Hussain used negative bowling strategy against India in India I defended the English and pointed out if someone like a Virender Sehwag could meet the challenge head on through a positive attitude it could be done. Then came Fredye Flintoff, Trescothick, Vaughan, Strauss(yes, I wrote post after post in the old 606 supporting him when Strauss was dropped from the team during the CB series and then the world cup in 07 and always rated him as a One Day player), Pietersen and Swann. England became the favorite side along with India. Throughout this there have been high points as well as low ones. Losses after losses against the Australians in the ashes to be turned around after 2005 disappointing world cups and then a global T-20 trophy. Flintoff's stupidity and the aftermaths of the same has been the lowest point so far.
But this I feel has outdone that. Despite his odd behavior throughout the saga, I very strongly felt and still do feel that Kevin Pietersen deserves a lot more than abject humiliation by incompetent and equally blameworthy administration/team management.
I hope there would be a better ending for all this nonsense, but I very much doubt that.


Don't worry msp i am sure Flower will have him back soon. Flower has now had the apology and gotten KP's committment. Flower has always played to win and knows his chances are better with KP in the team.

As for humiliation imo KP is 90% at fault for that, but as he states he does not dwell on the past.

Just hope that all in the team can deal with it.

If they don't deal with it, can we assume this will be seen as bringing disharmony to the dressing room? And if so, will all those that do not embrace KP back into the team be dropped? Or will the 'no man/men' is bigger than the team' philosophy be conveniently dropped?

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Post by Biltong on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 8:02 am

This issue will still have repercussions after the 3rd test if KP does play.

If he has a bad game, then it could stir up all sorts of comments in the change room about what was the fuss all about, KP gets brought back into the team because he is the "best" player and yet he failed.

Or KP has another great game and then it the kind of "told you so" attitude from him.

Nobody is going to win because of this.
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Post by eirebilly on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 8:32 am

Biltong wrote:This issue will still have repercussions after the 3rd test if KP does play.

If he has a bad game, then it could stir up all sorts of comments in the change room about what was the fuss all about, KP gets brought back into the team because he is the "best" player and yet he failed.

Or KP has another great game and then it the kind of "told you so" attitude from him.

Nobody is going to win because of this.

Well your Saffers may just win because of this Wink
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Post by Biltong on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 8:39 am

True, I won't mind that.

But this is something that needs to put to bed by the ECB, Flower and KP. It cannot be good for any team's morale when this type of thing surfaces regulalry, and always seems to be KP when the controversy comes
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Post by eirebilly on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 8:41 am

Just getting tired of it all biltong. With KP its either a meltdown or a small drama.
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Post by Biltong on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 8:44 am

Yeah, the biggest problem here for any supporter is that they don't have all the details. Half of this is all speculation and hearsay.

I believe sport should be more transparent, you have people siding with KP, you have people siding with the ECB and then there are those sitting on the fence.

The only fact we know of is that KP is the centre of all this drama.
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Post by msp83 on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 5:38 pm

From Strauss's responses today, it doesn't seem that Pietersen will have much of a chance to make it to the England squad for the world T-20. Without him, England have no hopes whatsoever of retaining their only global trophy. Without him there is a serious chance that their number 1 test status will be gone after this 3rd test, a status to which they are hanging on because of a fine all-round performance from Pietersen.

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Post by Hibbz on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 5:50 pm

One final thing that's likely to really bug me is that on the off chance they win the 3rd test people will say it's because they ditched Kevin but when in all likelihood they lose or at best draw they'll blame the lack of success on the fuss "Kevin" has caused.

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Post by amanuensis on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 6:01 pm

They should politely dispense with his services & start afresh - no mercenary egotists please!

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Post by GSC on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 6:10 pm

Alternatively if they loss, its far more likely that they'll be canned for dumping Pieterson.
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Post by amanuensis on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 6:22 pm

GSC wrote:Alternatively if they loss, its far more likely that they'll be canned for dumping Pieterson.

They should simply ignore the media frankly - if need be, they can "point to" the distraction caused by that bl**dy diva.

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Post by msp83 on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 6:24 pm

Even the great Brian Lara had to leave the international stage in terrible bitterness, because of tussles with the WICB. But in his case, he was nearing the end of his career, and most of it remained private.
But in Pietersen's case, he has to leave when he still has 3-4 years at least to offer in international cricket, and the humiliation has been public and complete.
Nevertheless, a loss for England cricket as well as international cricket.
I think in years to come we would only have the opportunity to wonder what could have been, after watching his exploits in various T-20 tournaments across the world. Pietersen, already a rich man, will most certainly become richer, but he will miss international cricket, particularly test cricket, and the cricket fraternity will miss him too.

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Post by skyeman on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 7:42 pm

msp83 wrote:Even the great Brian Lara had to leave the international stage in terrible bitterness, because of tussles with the WICB. But in his case, he was nearing the end of his career, and most of it remained private.
But in Pietersen's case, he has to leave when he still has 3-4 years at least to offer in international cricket, and the humiliation has been public and complete.
Nevertheless, a loss for England cricket as well as international cricket.
I think in years to come we would only have the opportunity to wonder what could have been, after watching his exploits in various T-20 tournaments across the world. Pietersen, already a rich man, will most certainly become richer, but he will miss international cricket, particularly test cricket, and the cricket fraternity will miss him too.


Sorry msp, but when you say "he has to leave", what does that mean?

As i said yesterday, he will be back at some stage, for reasons only he knows. My guess is, even though he and everyone else would feel awkward, he would still be willing to go through it, to achieve is end goal: GREATNESS.

Just the way i feel.

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Post by DouglasJardinesbox on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 8:09 pm

I doubt he'll be back. Too many of the current team have got it in for him. Envy is a very dangerous thing in a dressing room.

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Post by KP_fan on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 8:10 pm

KP_fan wrote:OMG...he has said sorry.

The lowliifes will use his apology as the evidence of guilt that was missing so far...and nail him to the ground further.

if they do anything else....it would be a refreshing surprise

I hate to say I told you...
The ECB stayed true to their chracter, that of a lowlife.
Made him apologize abd used it further to nail him down.

They sent strauss today to vent his power in public.
The man scripting them all is Flower, absolutely and truly on a vendatta mission, firing from the shoulders of his pets....

Anyone there are paying fans and custodian mediamen watching all of this...

It all comes down to :
--whther Eng can beat SA tomm
--whether Eng makes it to world cup semis at least
--whther Eng can deliver atleast a drawn series in India

If flower can deliver the above...KP is history...
If he can't KP will be back and flower swallowing his pride.
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Post by skyeman on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 8:17 pm

KP_fan wrote:
KP_fan wrote:OMG...he has said sorry.

The lowliifes will use his apology as the evidence of guilt that was missing so far...and nail him to the ground further.

if they do anything else....it would be a refreshing surprise

I hate to say I told you...
The ECB stayed true to their chracter, that of a lowlife.
Made him apologize abd used it further to nail him down.

They sent strauss today to vent his power in public.
The man scripting them all is Flower, absolutely and truly on a vendatta mission, firing from the shoulders of his pets....

Anyone there are paying fans and custodian mediamen watching all of this...

It all comes down to :
--whther Eng can beat SA tomm
--whether Eng makes it to world cup semis at least
--whther Eng can deliver atleast a drawn series in India

If flower can deliver the above...KP is history...
If he can't KP will be back and flower swallowing his pride.


Yet more B******s

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Post by Hibbz on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 8:21 pm

amanuensis wrote:They should politely dispense with his services & start afresh - no mercenary egotists please!

And likewise no fantastic talent that can make to worlds #1 bowler dive for cover and then look skywards as his best is pumped into the stands for six of the best.

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Post by DouglasJardinesbox on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 6:41 am

If people really are wanting a nice happy clapping dressing room rather than cricketers who can play the game at the highest level, then fair enough. KP should be dropped for good. Along with Strauss (cry-baby), Bresnan (back stabber), Anderson (whinger) and Swann (big head egotist like KP).

If we have a clear out, then clear out the lot. Consistency and all that.


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Post by eirebilly on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 7:07 am

KP_fan wrote:
KP_fan wrote:OMG...he has said sorry.

The lowliifes will use his apology as the evidence of guilt that was missing so far...and nail him to the ground further.

if they do anything else....it would be a refreshing surprise

I hate to say I told you...
The ECB stayed true to their chracter, that of a lowlife.
Made him apologize abd used it further to nail him down.

They sent strauss today to vent his power in public.
The man scripting them all is Flower, absolutely and truly on a vendatta mission, firing from the shoulders of his pets....

Anyone there are paying fans and custodian mediamen watching all of this...

It all comes down to :
--whther Eng can beat SA tomm
--whether Eng makes it to world cup semis at least
--whther Eng can deliver atleast a drawn series in India

If flower can deliver the above...KP is history...
If he can't KP will be back and flower swallowing his pride.

Wow, just wow. You really are incredible Wink

Anyways, i will be supporting the lads today just because KP is not playing doesnt mean that England have zero chance of winning. I will be cheering them on all the same Very Happy
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Post by DouglasJardinesbox on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 7:50 am

Yes, after a stumble these past two days, so will I. Apart from Bresnan. He was not directly involved and he came out with his garbage about the team being better without KP. Disgusting...

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Post by KP_fan on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 7:55 am

skyeman wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
KP_fan wrote:OMG...he has said sorry.

The lowliifes will use his apology as the evidence of guilt that was missing so far...and nail him to the ground further.

if they do anything else....it would be a refreshing surprise

I hate to say I told you...
The ECB stayed true to their chracter, that of a lowlife.
Made him apologize abd used it further to nail him down.

They sent strauss today to vent his power in public.
The man scripting them all is Flower, absolutely and truly on a vendatta mission, firing from the shoulders of his pets....

Anyone there are paying fans and custodian mediamen watching all of this...

It all comes down to :
--whther Eng can beat SA tomm
--whether Eng makes it to world cup semis at least
--whther Eng can deliver atleast a drawn series in India

If flower can deliver the above...KP is history...
If he can't KP will be back and flower swallowing his pride.


Yet more B******s

You didn't Like it ?

Too bitter...ehhh ?.... Truth get's bitter sometimes

Mark the words nothing short of wins as listed in the next 3 series willl save Flower's pride and ego.
I wish him and Eng good luck.

Go whack the SA ffies in the next 5 days and kill KP from public memory

Else his ghost will loom larger over every move of English cricket even in his physical absence.
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Post by skyeman on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:17 am

KP_fan wrote:
skyeman wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
KP_fan wrote:OMG...he has said sorry.

The lowliifes will use his apology as the evidence of guilt that was missing so far...and nail him to the ground further.

if they do anything else....it would be a refreshing surprise

I hate to say I told you...
The ECB stayed true to their chracter, that of a lowlife.
Made him apologize abd used it further to nail him down.

They sent strauss today to vent his power in public.
The man scripting them all is Flower, absolutely and truly on a vendatta mission, firing from the shoulders of his pets....

Anyone there are paying fans and custodian mediamen watching all of this...

It all comes down to :
--whther Eng can beat SA tomm
--whether Eng makes it to world cup semis at least
--whther Eng can deliver atleast a drawn series in India

If flower can deliver the above...KP is history...
If he can't KP will be back and flower swallowing his pride.


Yet more B******s

You didn't Like it ?

Too bitter...ehhh ?.... Truth get's bitter sometimes

Mark the words nothing short of wins as listed in the next 3 series willl save Flower's pride and ego.
I wish him and Eng good luck.

Go whack the SA ffies in the next 5 days and kill KP from public memory

Else his ghost will loom larger over every move of English cricket even in his physical absence.


It comes to a stage when if you have got nothing good to say about someone then you should keep quiet.

So long. Wink

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Post by Biltong on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:30 am

Seems this thread still has a ways to go. Whistle
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Post by eirebilly on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:42 am

You are just loving this are you biltong, you cheeky Saffer Wink
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Post by Biltong on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:46 am

Very Happy To be honest, I find it boring.

The decisions have been made, everyone has vented their anger, opinions etc.

Focus on the test. Whistle

PS, for me KP was not a nice guy when he spurted his nonsense about the SA situation, so I never really cared much for him. I don't really feel sorry for the guy as I have little patience and time for people with ego's, I do however have sympathy for the situation, it has blown out of proportion and no one is the winner becasue of it.
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Post by eirebilly on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:54 am

The cricket will start soon and everyone will hopefully forget it and get behind the team Very Happy
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Post by Stella on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:59 am

eirebilly wrote:The cricket will start soon and everyone will hopefully forget it and get behind the team Very Happy

Not if we get thrashed. The Pietersen gang will be out in full force.

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Post by KP_fan on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:29 am

Stella wrote:
eirebilly wrote:The cricket will start soon and everyone will hopefully forget it and get behind the team Very Happy

Not if we get thrashed. The Pietersen gang will be out in full force.


yeah conversely....if Eng manage to retain their #1 ranking.......the bigger anti-KP gang will come out.

How will they retain their #1 ranking is the the mystery part ....with batting already weakned due to missing the main batsman and missing the fantastic bowling allrounder Bresnan's batting and Eng batting 4th on D4 /D5 pitch already.......3/4th battles is lost.

we shall see Cool
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Post by msp83 on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 6:56 pm

skyeman wrote:
msp83 wrote:Even the great Brian Lara had to leave the international stage in terrible bitterness, because of tussles with the WICB. But in his case, he was nearing the end of his career, and most of it remained private.
But in Pietersen's case, he has to leave when he still has 3-4 years at least to offer in international cricket, and the humiliation has been public and complete.
Nevertheless, a loss for England cricket as well as international cricket.
I think in years to come we would only have the opportunity to wonder what could have been, after watching his exploits in various T-20 tournaments across the world. Pietersen, already a rich man, will most certainly become richer, but he will miss international cricket, particularly test cricket, and the cricket fraternity will miss him too.


Sorry msp, but when you say "he has to leave", what does that mean?

As i said yesterday, he will be back at some stage, for reasons only he knows. My guess is, even though he and everyone else would feel awkward, he would still be willing to go through it, to achieve is end goal: GREATNESS.

Just the way i feel.
I don't think the ECB are willing to resolve the situation, they still are on a show off mood, intent on further humiliating Pietersen. I don't think he's going to be picked for the World T-20, and eventually Pietersen will also have enough of attempts to keep the powers that be in good humer. He's a volatile personality, and as his attempts at reconsiliation are masterfully manipulated to make him look like the only cause for all the trouble, there would come a point where he would decide as he has established a fairly decent cricketing legacy, the remaining bit of his career could be put to good use, strengthening the financial security for his family.

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Post by DouglasJardinesbox on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 7:55 pm

Stella wrote:
eirebilly wrote:The cricket will start soon and everyone will hopefully forget it and get behind the team Very Happy

Not if we get thrashed. The Pietersen gang will be out in full force.


I think you will find it is the anti anti KP gang. The bully boy tactics to get rid, especially the no mark Bresnan's of the world who kick a sick baby. I really hope that tool never regains his place.

ECB apology yet, re leaking the confidential discussions? Flower makes me sick. I hope he retires soon. All this phoney principles crap is a joke!

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Post by JDizzle on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:24 pm

Bresnan - "We are replacing one talented player with another." Hard;y bashing KP into the ground. What was he meant to say? Yeah, Bairstow isn't a patch on KP and we will miss him loads and we probably can't win the game without him as Jonny won't get any runs because he can't play the short ball. That would have been a lot more professional.

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Post by KP_fan on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:55 pm

JDizzle wrote:Bresnan - "We are replacing one talented player with another." Hard;y bashing KP into the ground. What was he meant to say? Yeah, Bairstow isn't a patch on KP and we will miss him loads and we probably can't win the game without him as Jonny won't get any runs because he can't play the short ball. That woutirld have been a lot more professional.

Why a piddly new comer 12th man be sent to say anything.....
Why anyone coming out to say anything should be obliged to compare KP with Bairstow......or stir the subject at all.

It was an oportunity given by Flower to his gang of loyalists to all take turns and enjoy the sadistic pleasures of rubbing that b******s nose in the ground publicly.

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Post by ShankyCricket on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:12 pm

Well, a "world class international batsman of proven class and pedigree" would be a more apt description of KP rather than calling him just a "talented player". He didnt have to slag off Bairstow but to put them in the same sentence and saying that a "Just one talented player is being replaced by another" was a ludicrous comment.

I am sure Mitch Johnson is a very "talented bowler" too though horribly inconsistent. Did any of the Aussies say at the time he replaced the retired Mcgrath that "one talented bowler is being replaced by another" and that "we may even be a better side without him"?

Of course, I am not comparing KP to an all time great like Mcgrath. Just pointing out how ludicrous the KP vs Bairstow comparison is.

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Post by ShankyCricket on Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:23 pm

Suresh Raina is the reserve batsman in the Indian squad for the Test series against New Zealand starting next week. Just imagine if Sachin gets injured and Raina has to replace him and then Ishant Sharma comes out in the Press Conference and says "why should his absence matter"? "Its just a case of one talented player being replaced by another". "We may even be a better side without him".

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Post by DouglasJardinesbox on Fri 17 Aug 2012, 5:46 am

Bingo, Shanky. Bresnan could have said a million things about the situation without rubbing KP's nose in it, whilst being very supportive of JB. But he decided to do his coach and his captain's dirty work for them.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Fri 17 Aug 2012, 10:40 am

Bresnan has made a silly comment in the heat of the moment. He's probably very annoyed at KPs attitude towards the skipper and thought he'd take a pot shot, the situations described by Shanky are completely different.

I personally do not care if KP is a world class player, he should be punished for what he's done. You do not go and send text messages to the other team about your skipper or team mates, whether it be banter or not as it is unlikely they will see it the same way as you have. He really doesn't have a leg to stand on here. In the same way that if he would prefer to play T20 instead of play against New Zealand I'd be saying, "fine, but in no way are you guaranteed your spot in the side back."
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Post by KP_fan on Fri 17 Aug 2012, 10:45 am

ICC Postpones the announcement of T20 Wcup squad until next Friday....ha ha...
someone with influence pulled strings.....ensuring guaranteed entertainment after the test match finishes.
More imperative now that Flower wins this test to be stronger in negotiation .
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Sun 19 Aug 2012, 5:17 pm

Some leaks out of the SA camp are suggesting that KP referred to Strauss as the Afrikaans equivalent of the "c***" word, and suggested it'd be a good idea to bowl around the wicket to Strauss at Lords.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/7507488/Pietersen-texts-about-England-captain-aired

If true it's understandable why he didn't want to share them with England team management ...
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Post by FerN on Mon 20 Aug 2012, 6:00 am

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:Some leaks out of the SA camp are suggesting that KP referred to Strauss as the Afrikaans equivalent of the "c***" word, and suggested it'd be a good idea to bowl around the wicket to Strauss at Lords.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/7507488/Pietersen-texts-about-England-captain-aired

If true it's understandable why he didn't want to share them with England team management ...

In Afrikaans there is a "d" word which isn't so bad, and then there is the "p" word which is. He used the "d" word.

And SA haven't bowled around the wicket to him that much, and it has been successful.

Edit: And the D word isn't even a swear word. I think

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Post by eirebilly on Mon 20 Aug 2012, 6:08 am

So the word Doos was used, not sure in Afrikaans but in Holland its one of the lesser swear words as it also means things like cardboard box, kind of harmless unless said in a very agressive manner.
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Post by FerN on Mon 20 Aug 2012, 6:32 am

eirebilly wrote:So the word Doos was used, not sure in Afrikaans but in Holland its one of the lesser swear words as it also means things like cardboard box, kind of harmless unless said in a very agressive manner.

In afrikaans too. I wouldn't really get offended by that. The bowling suggestion is probably the more serious allegation

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Post by Biltong on Mon 20 Aug 2012, 6:47 am

FerN wrote:
eirebilly wrote:So the word Doos was used, not sure in Afrikaans but in Holland its one of the lesser swear words as it also means things like cardboard box, kind of harmless unless said in a very agressive manner.

In afrikaans too. I wouldn't really get offended by that. The bowling suggestion is probably the more serious allegation

Well, you can be certain if somebody calls you a Box in Afrikaans he doesn't mean it in a complimentary sense, that's for certain. Wink
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Post by FerN on Mon 20 Aug 2012, 7:11 am

Biltong wrote:
FerN wrote:
eirebilly wrote:So the word Doos was used, not sure in Afrikaans but in Holland its one of the lesser swear words as it also means things like cardboard box, kind of harmless unless said in a very agressive manner.

In afrikaans too. I wouldn't really get offended by that. The bowling suggestion is probably the more serious allegation

Well, you can be certain if somebody calls you a Box in Afrikaans he doesn't mean it in a complimentary sense, that's for certain. Wink

Ja I know, but really how does being called a "do.." compare to being called a "po.." If you really dislike someone, "do.." doesn't come to mind and I don't even use swear words, but I think I can tell the difference.

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Post by Biltong on Mon 20 Aug 2012, 7:16 am

FerN wrote:
Biltong wrote:
FerN wrote:
eirebilly wrote:So the word Doos was used, not sure in Afrikaans but in Holland its one of the lesser swear words as it also means things like cardboard box, kind of harmless unless said in a very agressive manner.

In afrikaans too. I wouldn't really get offended by that. The bowling suggestion is probably the more serious allegation

Well, you can be certain if somebody calls you a Box in Afrikaans he doesn't mean it in a complimentary sense, that's for certain. Wink

Ja I know, but really how does being called a "do.." compare to being called a "po.." If you really dislike someone, "do.." doesn't come to mind and I don't even use swear words, but I think I can tell the difference.
Maybe Pietersen doesn't cuss either, besides Po.. is used by Afrikaners mostly, and KP is a right proper englishman isn't he?

It also depends on how much offense Strauss wants to take out of this. If your mate calls you a box, it is playfull, when a guy you aren't getting along with calls you a box, you can take as much offence out of it as you want too.
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Post by eirebilly on Mon 20 Aug 2012, 7:19 am

I would rarely get offended by such a thing to be honest but its all context. Oh well, this will probably never die down Very Happy
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Post by Biltong on Mon 20 Aug 2012, 7:38 am

but then you have a sense of humour Billy, not everyone has.


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Post by KP_fan on Mon 20 Aug 2012, 8:36 am

ECB is making BCCI and PCB and WICB look like the most trasnparent bodies in the world......

why can't ECB officially ask for the content of the sms........get it make a case.......or if they don't get it close it and move on......

somebody should tell them they are the ones fuelling the issue...and keeping all digressed from focussing on cricket
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