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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 12:43 pm

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Post by Morgannwg on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:26 pm

Someone needs to come in and slap each player across the face. Throwing away the chance for a bonus point win like this is disgraceful.
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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:26 pm

29 - 30

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Post by Morgannwg on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:27 pm

wales606 wrote:Lewis Jones yellow carded

Sale penalty with 6mins to go.

Oh dear.

Why was he shown yellow though?
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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:27 pm

3 tries in 30 minutes and they still cant get a TBP, and now will be lucky to get a win.
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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:28 pm

31 - 30

F*ck
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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:28 pm

Morgannwg wrote:
wales606 wrote:Lewis Jones yellow carded

Sale penalty with 6mins to go.

Oh dear.

Why was he shown yellow though?

Slowing ball down in the red zone.
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Post by Pot Hale on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:29 pm

Unbelievable. What a turnaround. Well done Sale.
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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:29 pm

PRETORIOUS IS AN IDIOT.

Runs into 4 Sale playing in his half with Halfpenny there who could have kicked it!

IDIOT

Penalty Sale.
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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:30 pm

14 Blues players

Need a try for a BP win, or they lose.
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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:31 pm

Halfpenny tackled around the neck.

Blues to put it into the corner.
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Post by Morgannwg on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:31 pm

No, they're going for theposts...

Headscratch
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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:31 pm

Halfpenny is going for the posts!!!!

That is an AWFUL decision from Pretorious/Halfpenny!
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Post by Morgannwg on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:33 pm

Blues the stupidest team on Earth?
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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:33 pm

34 - 33

1 minutes to go, stupid decision.
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Post by Guest on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:34 pm

Morgannwg wrote:Blues the stupidest team on Earth?

Hard to argue with that!

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Post by nathan on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:35 pm

wales606 wrote:34 - 33

1 minutes to go, stupid decision.

to who?

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Post by Morgannwg on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:37 pm

Not only did they go for the 3 points but they carried on kicking it down field. That's Sales first win of the season. H-cup, you could argue, is Blues lifeline this season. Now I'm sorry but this game is nothing short of shockingly disgusting. Fans and players should be ashamed.
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Post by Pot Hale on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:37 pm

Tony Buckley and Danny Cipriani give Sale their first win of the season.

Who'd a thunk?

Congrats to the sharks.
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Post by Guest on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:37 pm

How on earth can you have such a lead with 3 brilliantly taken tries in 20 minutes and go to playing such awful rugby in the 2nd half?

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:38 pm

Wow just seen the result...report says Cipriani had a big "positive" impact. Is that true?

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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:38 pm

Sale win

34 - 33

AWFUL!

There goes any hope the Blues had in the HC.

Danny Ciprini get MOTM from the bench.

Pretorious does not deserve to be captain, terrible decision making in the last 10 minutes.

Really terrible second half from the Blues.

HC over, we can't even beat a team who are 0/6 this season.
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Post by nathan on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:38 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Wow just seen the result...report says Cipriani had a big "positive" impact. Is that true?

that can't be right....can it?

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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:39 pm

nathan wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Wow just seen the result...report says Cipriani had a big "positive" impact. Is that true?

that can't be right....can it?

Cipriani set up 2 tries for Sale and gave them all the momentum.

Blues were dire defensively.
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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:40 pm

Score prediction for next week

Blues 3 - 103 Toulon
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Post by wrfc1980 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:42 pm

Blues had to win this game, Sale are rubbish and haven't come close to winning a game all season until today. I would have to say thats probably the Blue out of the HK as the other teams in the group will fancy beating Sale home and away.
Fair play to Cips, he turned the game around. It was an exciting game, however a game played by two very poor sides.

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Post by GLove39 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:42 pm

Wow, what a time for Sharks to pick up their first win of the year.
Gutting for Cuthbert to score a hatrick yet still lose

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Post by Guest on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:42 pm

wales606 wrote:Score prediction for next week

Blues 3 - 103 Toulon

Bit ambitious for the blues that!

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Post by GavinDragon on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:44 pm

wales 606 why are you so angry? what were you expecting you lost 4-5 ov your pack last season including your best player over the last 6 years in rush. Unless you can somehow gather a pack rom somewhere get used to these results

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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:45 pm

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:
wales606 wrote:Score prediction for next week

Blues 3 - 103 Toulon

Bit ambitious for the blues that!

Halfpenny penalty from behind halfway in the last minute on account of the Blues having 0% territory in the Toulon half.

Gethin Jenkins to score 3 tries from the bench then spend the rest of the match on the touchline laughing.
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Post by Cumbrian on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:46 pm

Brilliant! Well done Sale! They needed a break in their poor run, hopefully this will be the catalyst that gets their season going.


Cipriani also showed why he's described as mercurial, he was brilliant when he came on. Sale suddenly started to look dangerous.
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Post by wales606 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:48 pm

GavinDragon wrote:wales 606 why are you so angry? what were you expecting you lost 4-5 ov your pack last season including your best player over the last 6 years in rush. Unless you can somehow gather a pack rom somewhere get used to these results

Would you be angry if your team couldn't win after being 3 tries up against a team who couldn't buy a win this season?

Blues still have 2 regular Wales players in the pack aswell as the capped Lou Reed and young talents like Navidi. We also have an all international back division!
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Post by GavinDragon on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 2:55 pm

id be angry that they had thrown that lead away yes, but i wouldnt be expecting to win away against an english pack especially giving how theblues (other than against the dragons) have been beat up ront in almost every game this season

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Post by Morgannwg on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 3:21 pm

Gavin, Blues fans don't have to setttle for meiocrity like you will so why don't you get off their case?

Anyway suppose I should congratulate Sale on getting their first win. So well done Sale, it took a lot to come back from that deficit and they did it.
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Post by Guest on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 3:23 pm

GavinDragon wrote:id be angry that they had thrown that lead away yes, but i wouldnt be expecting to win away against an english pack especially giving how theblues (other than against the dragons) have been beat up ront in almost every game this season

But thats just it though, they showed glimpses of good attack, and built up a good lead and just let it crumble, fair play to Ciprianni though he did make an impact.

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Post by GavinDragon on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 3:26 pm

im just trying to inpart a bit ov realism on my east walian brethren. 606 is right the blues d have a handy backline. But they only decide by how many the game is won by, up to the pack to lat the platorm and they blues tight 5 are acking atm so their supporters should be more realistic in their expectations imo

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Post by Morgannwg on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 3:29 pm

Gavin did you watch the game? Blues surprisingly had the edge up front. Why is wrong to expect a win against Sale given how their season is going...
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Post by GavinDragon on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 3:32 pm

because the blues have been so poor up ront this season thats why and thy were away...

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Post by Morgannwg on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 3:36 pm

I'm a bit wasted on replying to someone who knows little about rugby aren't I.
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Post by GavinDragon on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 3:37 pm

obviously so i sharnt expect any more replies rom you morg OK

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Post by Knowsit17 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 4:57 pm

Overall not the ideal start for the regions in Europe. Only the O's turning in a satisfactory performance. Blues have a lot of pieces to pick up after spurning a great chance to open on a win. It's a shame to see the talents and efforts of men like Cuthbert coming to nothing under circumstances like these.

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Post by thebluesmancometh on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 5:07 pm

What can I say, in manchester about to drown my sorrows, pretorious should be shot for going at goal late on, 1/2p, Davies, Roberts should all be old and bold enough to have said no though!!!!

Can't believ Cipriani is getting so much hype, poor Mcloud hit his goals and saw such little ball it's nuts, hen when Cips gets on the Sale pack took total control, Cipriani simply had time, space and all the options in the world with that armchair he came on to, and he still threw the ball dead, left gaps to play marked men in etc...

Blues are a joke, they best thing to do now is trim the squad to the bare bones and use the next few seasons as developmental, get the kids into the squad and get them some experience!!!

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Post by Morgannwg on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 5:12 pm

Couldn't agree more.
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Post by Knowsit17 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 5:35 pm

It's the same as ever, Blues like the other regions are not lacking for talent and potential in their ranks. I'm afraid that if they did trim down they'd be wasting and setting back a lot of that potential.

The mystery remains as to the chasm between performances for Wales and performances for the regions. The way I see it there are two explanations and the answer is likely a bit of both. One is down to player inconsistency and the other to coaching strategies and motivation not matching that of the national squad. You may cite other elements such as poor crowds in comparison to the national following and the regional debacle as a whole but I'm not sure that plays a big part in the moment.

At least Cuthbert looks to have broken the trend of succumbing to second season syndrome. Superb start to the season from him, one of the only bright lights in the dark blue...

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Post by Artful_Dodger on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 5:42 pm

Warburton out next week with a dislocated finger.

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Post by thebluesmancometh on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 5:44 pm

Potential Knowsit?

You mean like Fillise, Borrust, Kryciou, Mafi, Trevett, Down, Paterson, Sweeney, Evans, etc... all in their mid late 20's/30's!!!

IMO Andrews, Dacey, Cook, Hamilton, Patchell, and Allen could all fill in for these guys and get beat week in week out like these guys are, but at least the youngsters would gain from it (not to mention be far cheaper)

And while we're at it rumours that Mafi, Borrust and Kryciou are all earning more than Yapp is at Embra and Thomas at wasps...

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Post by Knowsit17 on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 6:00 pm

No, I was thinking more along the obvious lines of Cuthbert, Roberts, Warburton, Bradley Davies, Lloyd Williams, Halfpenny etc. Would you not consider them all players with established talent and potential still to be tapped into considering their average age?

Same as Dragons have national tokens Lydiate and Faletau among their ranks, yet their progress seems equally slow, if you can call it progress that is.

What makes the difference? How is it that Wales can have these players and win Grand Slams yet the regions can have the same players and just discover various ways of making us cringe? That's what I meant when talking about a chasm between performances before you named a list of players I wasn't even thinking of.

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Post by thebluesmancometh on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 6:36 pm

Knowsit, when I mentioned stripping the wage budget obviously the best WQ players wouldn't be among them, you build a team kids around these key players, it's the list I gave that can be trimmed easily and the named players could come in and gain from it.

The international players cannot perform the same way with a scrum in retreat, how does Roberts, Cuthbert and 1/2p effect that? They can't. When the Blues front row gives matches away the backline can't effect things!!

So no the regional problems are not the ints not performing, it's the lack of quality around them.

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Post by glamorganalun on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 6:47 pm

Just watched the highlights on S4C, is it me Tom James should be kicked out of the squad he simply rubbish and costing the blues with his defence and and lack of vision. The blues defence is dire slipping tackles, they look like the scarlets two years ago, is there a link?

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Post by Guest on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 6:54 pm

In a positive light, at least Josh Navidi is looking like hes progressing, he will be a good backup to Warburton one day

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Post by Artful_Dodger on Sun 14 Oct 2012, 6:55 pm

Warburton's finger - ouch

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