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Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Fri 16 Nov 2012, 6:35 pm

First topic message reminder :

Current World Rankings

IRB Rankings at
http://www.worldrugby.org/rankings#mru

Fixtures according to http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/fixtures/_/league/180659/

Best odds for each result category from a range of bookies as at http://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/six-nations

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Saturday, March 18

Scotland v   Italy   12:30 PM   --   BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh

sco (on 82.18 points) at home -vs- ita (on 71.17 points)

If sco win by 1-15 points   0.000   82.18   71.17   No
If sco win by more than 15   0.000   82.18   71.17   No
If result is a draw   1.000   81.18   72.17   No
If ita win by 1-15 points   2.000   80.18   73.17   No
If ita win by more than 15   3.000   79.18   74.17   No

Scotland (1/16)
Draw (66/1)
Italy (15/1)

France v    Wales   2:45 PM   --   Stade de France, Saint-Denis

fra (on 81.21 points) at home -vs- wal (on 82.16 points)

If fra win by 1-15 points   0.795   82.00   81.36   Yes
If fra win by more than 15   1.193   82.40   80.97   Yes
If result is a draw   0.205   81.00   82.36   No
If wal win by 1-15 points   1.205   80.00   83.36   No
If wal win by more than 15   1.807   79.40   83.97   No

France (8/13)
14:45TV
   

France (8/13)
Draw (25/1)
Wales (13/8)

Ireland v    England   5:00 PM   --   Aviva Stadium, Dublin

ire (on 83.18 points) at home -vs- eng (on 91.02 points)

If ire win by 1-15 points   1.484   84.66   89.54   No
If ire win by more than 15   2.226   85.41   88.79   No
If result is a draw   0.484   83.66   90.54   No
If eng win by 1-15 points   0.516   82.66   91.54   No
If eng win by more than 15   0.774   82.41   91.79   No

Ireland (6/4)
Draw (25/1)
England (9/13)

Original thread:
http://www.606v2.com/t12724p950-irb-world-rankings-part-1


Sources:
Fixtures : http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/fixtures/4776295.stm
IRB Rankings : http://www.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/match/fixtures/international.html
Rankings explanation : http://www.irb.com/rankings/explain/index.html
Rankings archive : http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/index.html
Fixtures : http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/current/match/scores/recent.html

Online calculator (Courtesy of Robbo277 (thanks)) : http://www.lassen.co.nz/pagmisc.php#hrh


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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by The Loaded Dog on Thu 14 Mar 2013, 1:12 pm

It will have been a fairly decent run to win 8 in a row so would be it fair enough and hard-earned, robbo. One bridge at a time though. OK



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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by The Loaded Dog on Sat 16 Mar 2013, 8:03 pm

So how's it looking just before the France-Scotland match?

1. NZL 90.08
2. RSA 86.94
3. AUS 86.87
4. ENG 83.72
5. WAL 83.36
6. FRA 81.31* (81.73... 78.73)
7. SAM 78.71
8. ARG 78.71
9. IRE 78.05
10. SCO 77.15* (79.72... 76.72)
11. ITA 76.05



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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by The Loaded Dog on Sat 16 Mar 2013, 8:09 pm

Just noticed the gap between the SH and NH got wider.


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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by kiakahaaotearoa on Sat 16 Mar 2013, 8:11 pm

Mind the gap.

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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by Biltong on Sat 16 Mar 2013, 8:11 pm

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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by blackcanelion on Sat 16 Mar 2013, 9:06 pm

Shouldn't it be 83.72 for England and 83.36 for Wales following the game.

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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by The Loaded Dog on Sat 16 Mar 2013, 9:20 pm

blackcanelion wrote:Shouldn't it be 83.72 for England and 83.36 for Wales following the game.

By God you're right, cane. Fixed it above.

So the gap is 3.15 points now.
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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by blackcanelion on Mon 18 Mar 2013, 12:48 am

Interesting, just worked out that if France win the series this summer they can overtake NZ.

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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Mon 18 Mar 2013, 4:02 pm

blackcanelion wrote:Interesting, just worked out that if France win the series this summer they can overtake NZ.

Have you?
How?

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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by The Loaded Dog on Mon 18 Mar 2013, 9:58 pm

It would have to be 0-3 wouldn't it? Is 1-2 enough?

I think NZ should win comfortably anyway.
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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by Guest on Mon 18 Mar 2013, 10:54 pm

crazy to think the teams ranked 3rd 4th and 5th are all in the same world cup group.

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Post by blackcanelion on Tue 19 Mar 2013, 10:05 am

Linebreaker wrote:It would have to be 0-3 wouldn't it? Is 1-2 enough?

I think NZ should win comfortably anyway.

I think you're right. Didn't save it and can't be bothered again. I have a feeling 2 big wins and a narrow loss might do it also. Can't see it. Should be a good series though. France coming off a disaterous 6 nations, looking for revenge for '11 and worried about a pasting. NZ coming off a big loss to England with a point to prove. Should have an edge.

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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Tue 19 Mar 2013, 11:00 am

If anyone can supply me with link to a comprehensive list of upcoming internationals, I'd be happy to prepare an up-coming IRB list.

But with five possible IRB rankings outcomes for each game, it's problematical to start predicting likely outcomes beyond one match per team at a time.

To predict two games in advance for say wal v nzl and eng v arg, there are 50 different combinations of possible outcomes.


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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Thu 28 Mar 2013, 11:48 am

New OP to end of Lions' Tour and a bit beyond (end of August).

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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by HammerofThunor on Thu 28 Mar 2013, 12:46 pm

viewtothegym wrote:crazy to think the teams ranked 3rd 4th and 5th are all in the same world cup group.

3rd, 4th and 5th at the moment

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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Thu 28 Mar 2013, 1:08 pm

I've just noticed that England's summer tour to Argentina is not on ESPN's list.

It's not on the RFU site either.

Are they full internationals?

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Post by Guest on Thu 28 Mar 2013, 1:40 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:
viewtothegym wrote:crazy to think the teams ranked 3rd 4th and 5th are all in the same world cup group.

3rd, 4th and 5th at the moment
Yep true but i wouldn't be surprised to see them in a similar situation come RWC 2015

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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by mystiroakey on Thu 28 Mar 2013, 3:05 pm

Its pretty ridiculas tbh..

But there you go.. Kind of silly to seed based on a days rankings as well..

Seeding should be done based on more factors.. last two WC's - last one carrying more weighting and rankings..

As its done for most sports..

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Post by LordDowlais on Thu 04 Apr 2013, 9:28 pm

Well, this makes a little better reading than before the six nations anyway. Also, I bet England and Australia are not looking forward to facing Wales in the next world cup, that group could see the hosts going out in the group stages, and before people start I said could not should. I think who ever wins our group will get to the final. thumbsup

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Post by mystiroakey on Thu 04 Apr 2013, 10:53 pm

3 of the top 5 teams in the game in one group- its frieking ridiculas..

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Post by glamorganalun on Sun 07 Apr 2013, 9:44 pm

Blame Wales for this situation picking out of form players, wrong tactics and playing 4 physical games resulting in injuries lowering Wales ranking. I suspect Wales are quite happy having less physical teams in their group i.e., not having their heads knocked off with dangerous tackles.

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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by hjumpshoe on Fri 12 Apr 2013, 9:24 am

Out of interest is there any allowance given for the British and Irish teams matches during a Lions tour? I cant imagine that there is, but these summer tours could badly effect the rankings of England and/or Scotland who IMO face far more difficult summers with their depleted squad than say Wales or Ireland do with theirs. Argentina away is tough at the best of times and while Scotland possibly wont have many missing, they will be the better players.

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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Fri 12 Apr 2013, 9:36 am

'fraid not hj.

As the Lions is a multinational outfit, rankings points are not available to the team. Nor for Australia as there would be no basis of points exchange for the calculations.

For the (overcomplicated) explanation of the methodology, see top of page.

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Post by hjumpshoe on Fri 12 Apr 2013, 10:22 am

Yeah i get the fact that no points can be earned or lost in the Lions tests. To be honest, until the situation with Wales and their WC qualification issues in the autumn, i had no real interest in who was ranked where, i knew who i thought were better than who by what i saw with my own eyes and i watch a lot of rugby. If, however, the unions themselves care about them, im thinking the Welsh and Irish unions have organised their schedules with more sense than the English or the Scots. This of course all depends on what actually happens in the summer.

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Post by Biltong on Fri 12 Apr 2013, 11:05 am

hjumpshoe wrote:Out of interest is there any allowance given for the British and Irish teams matches during a Lions tour? I cant imagine that there is, but these summer tours could badly effect the rankings of England and/or Scotland who IMO face far more difficult summers with their depleted squad than say Wales or Ireland do with theirs. Argentina away is tough at the best of times and while Scotland possibly wont have many missing, they will be the better players.
The nation they play also doesn't get affected by the wins and losses
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Post by hjumpshoe on Fri 12 Apr 2013, 11:30 am

Biltong wrote:
hjumpshoe wrote:Out of interest is there any allowance given for the British and Irish teams matches during a Lions tour? I cant imagine that there is, but these summer tours could badly effect the rankings of England and/or Scotland who IMO face far more difficult summers with their depleted squad than say Wales or Ireland do with theirs. Argentina away is tough at the best of times and while Scotland possibly wont have many missing, they will be the better players.
The nation they play also doesn't get affected by the wins and losses

No i realise that mate. My point was more about the NH teams consisting of the ones left behind by The Lions. As a welshman, im quite glad we're touring Japan rather than Argentina this summer. Saying that mind, the young English players will probably learn more about International rugby than their Welsh counterparts in their matches.(win or lose!)

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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 12 Apr 2013, 11:32 am

HJumpie- rankings arnt important anymore..

There were pre world cup draw.. Better to play better matches at the moment

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Post by hjumpshoe on Fri 12 Apr 2013, 11:54 am

mystiroakey wrote:HJumpie- rankings arnt important anymore..

There were pre world cup draw.. Better to play better matches at the moment

Yeah you're probably right mate and as i said before i never cared much for them anyway. I'm starting to think England may have got it about right, given the experience their younger lads may gain this summer. As long as they don't get a tonking!

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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 12 Apr 2013, 12:00 pm

Well yeah i suppose- if we get battered its not going to help..

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Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Sun 09 Jun 2013, 10:06 am

Updated after the weekend matches.

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Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 12:30 pm

Official table updated.

Scotland slip down a notch.

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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 12:34 pm

England are closing in on spot 2..

About time as well. That is our position

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Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 1:24 pm

mystiroakey wrote:England are closing in on spot 2..

About time as well. That is our position

No chance of England displacing even Oz just yet, mys

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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by Duty281 on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 1:28 pm

England rapidly sealing their spot as the dominant Northern Hemisphere nation, the slip-up in Cardiff seemingly not mattering a jot - consistency is the key. Another +15 win over the Argies next weekend will see us closer to 3rd spot than 5th. rose

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 1:56 pm

I would rather have the Grand Slam.

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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 2:26 pm

Well we can hope for that next year!

But there may be a chance at getting to no2 before then if we can win the rest of the games this year.. Which we will. NZ will be beaten again as well..


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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by kiakahaaotearoa on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 2:40 pm

Who will win in 2015 seeing as you're so sure about results oakey? Very Happy

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Post by Brendan on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 3:02 pm

I'll be interested to see who wins between italy and samoa as italy did much better then the scoreline showed

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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 3:03 pm

100% eNGLALND KIA!


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Post by kiakahaaotearoa on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 3:11 pm

I can't fault your enthusiasm mate. A long way to claiming the number two spot though. Definitely building nicely though and if Lancaster gets selections right and the team starts to get consistent results by no means impossible.

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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 3:27 pm

Kia I am off course typing with my tounge half in my cheek about the no.2 spot..

England will more likely be no.1 within 2 years..

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 3:30 pm

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Very Happy

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Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 3:48 pm

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Whatever helps you sleep at night. Very Happy
...keeps kia awake with worry Wink

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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 4:03 pm

I have no problem sleeping Kia..

I will be in spain next week though. Is it hot in madrid?

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 8:07 pm

Mate it's been rubbish weather of late. Rained last weekend. Been in the 20s a few times. You've chosen a good week to come. Temperatures are rising this week. Hitting the low 30s with 18 minimum. Much more like it.

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Post by RDSguru on Tue 11 Jun 2013, 11:25 pm

Scotland, Italy, Samoa...... when they play each other in SA, how are the ranking points determined since none of the three are at Home?

Sorry if thats a dumb question?

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Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Wed 12 Jun 2013, 6:44 am

RDSguru wrote:Scotland, Italy, Samoa...... when they play each other in SA, how are the ranking points determined since none of the three are at Home?

Sorry if thats a dumb question?

An allowance is i the calculations RDS. The IRB rankings is based on a nominal points exchange and an allowance is made for games played on neutral territory. If you look in the OP, you'll notice that it's included in the up-coming matches.

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 12 Jun 2013, 9:22 am

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Mate it's been rubbish weather of late. Rained last weekend. Been in the 20s a few times. You've chosen a good week to come. Temperatures are rising this week. Hitting the low 30s with 18 minimum. Much more like it.

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Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Sat 15 Jun 2013, 8:01 am

Well done Japan but one more point and that would have been max points exchange.
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Post by wales606 on Sat 15 Jun 2013, 8:20 am

So Wales drop below France, while France can't lose any points away to New Zealand
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