World Rugby Rankings

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Current World Rankings

IRB Rankings at
http://www.worldrugby.org/rankings#mru

Fixtures according to http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/fixtures/_/league/180659/

Best odds for each result category from a range of bookies as at http://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/six-nations

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Saturday, March 18

Scotland v Italy 12:30 PM -- BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh

sco (on 82.18 points) at home -vs- ita (on 71.17 points)

If sco win by 1-15 points 0.000 82.18 71.17 No
If sco win by more than 15 0.000 82.18 71.17 No
If result is a draw 1.000 81.18 72.17 No
If ita win by 1-15 points 2.000 80.18 73.17 No
If ita win by more than 15 3.000 79.18 74.17 No

Scotland (1/16)
Draw (66/1)
Italy (15/1)

France v Wales 2:45 PM -- Stade de France, Saint-Denis

fra (on 81.21 points) at home -vs- wal (on 82.16 points)

If fra win by 1-15 points 0.795 82.00 81.36 Yes
If fra win by more than 15 1.193 82.40 80.97 Yes
If result is a draw 0.205 81.00 82.36 No
If wal win by 1-15 points 1.205 80.00 83.36 No
If wal win by more than 15 1.807 79.40 83.97 No

France (8/13)
14:45TV
 

France (8/13)
Draw (25/1)
Wales (13/8)

Ireland v England 5:00 PM -- Aviva Stadium, Dublin

ire (on 83.18 points) at home -vs- eng (on 91.02 points)

If ire win by 1-15 points 1.484 84.66 89.54 No
If ire win by more than 15 2.226 85.41 88.79 No
If result is a draw 0.484 83.66 90.54 No
If eng win by 1-15 points 0.516 82.66 91.54 No
If eng win by more than 15 0.774 82.41 91.79 No

Ireland (6/4)
Draw (25/1)
England (9/13)



Original thread:
https://www.606v2.com/t12724p950-irb-world-rankings-part-1


Sources:
Fixtures : http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/fixtures/4776295.stm
IRB Rankings : http://www.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/match/fixtures/international.html
Rankings explanation : http://www.irb.com/rankings/explain/index.html
Rankings archive : http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/index.html
Fixtures : http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/current/match/scores/recent.html

Online calculator (Courtesy of Robbo277 (thanks)) : http://www.lassen.co.nz/pagmisc.php#hrh

How do you know? Have they been updated? We will just have to beat Australia then. Cant believe Wales lost again. Unreal.

We probably would have if Wales won or maybe if we hadnt conceded the last minute try.

That's a couple too many ifs for my liking. Both results were always on the cards.

Well we really should have prevented the try anyway. It was soft.

The tail end has to be cleaner for Ireland.  
Late tries conceded should be central to Schmidt's 'fix-it' file.  It's not about quality or stamina wilting, it's about all-round game-over relief happening minutes too early and leaving easy openings that weren't available only minutes before.
Schmidt has said he wants his side to be known as an 85 minute side.  For now, they're about a 77 minute side.  The game isn't over until it's over and obligations to the scoreboard don't end early.

Japan up to 9th after Argentina and Samoa lost at the weekend.

England slip to 4th behind Australia.

Hello Japan! Have we seen you before in the top 10?? I know Ireland pretty damn near saw you guys below top 10 not too long ago!! Scared the s**t outta me.

Scotland creeping up - just about joined the third tier
Ist tier being NZ - clear above everyone else
SA, England. Aus, Ireland in the second
France Wales, Scotland now the third

New OP.

So if England lose and Ireland win Ireland will leap frog England and be truely the the NH champions as they should be.

By the way good work Portnoy. Not sure how you have done all the codes. For an old timer thats impressive.

GunsGerms wrote:So if England lose and Ireland win Ireland will leap frog England and be truely the the NH champions as they should be.

By the way good work Portnoy. Not sure how you have done all the codes. For an old timer thats impressive.

Sanatogen.

Only it would have been better had I included the Ireland game.

New new OP.

Updated rankings

1 NZL 93.70
2 RSA 89.93
3 IRE 84.84
4 AUS 84.22
5 ENG 84.21
6 FRA 81.47
7 WAL 79.94
8 SCO 78.27
9 ARG 76.42
10 JAP 76.07

Ireland 3rd in the world is pretty cool. Have to beat Georgia to maintain that ranking.

3 IRE 84.84
4 AUS 84.22
5 ENG 84.21


It will be interesting to see how many times these teams swop places in the next couple of months.

How's the weather up there, Biltong?

Nice mate, but then I don't worry too much about it, I can not fathom the importance of these rankings, especially when you are often looking at decimal points differences.

I see it as a fun tool to rag others about :lol:

Biltong wrote:Nice mate, but then I don't worry too much about it, I can not fathom the importance of these rankings, especially when you are often looking at decimal points differences.

I see it as a fun tool to rag others about :lol:

Ha ha. Yes, it obviously doesn't mean as much for us as it does for some.

Obviously Irelands 3rd place ranking will go up in smoke if we don't beat Georgia and Australia, so before we can say we've earn that we really need to... well, beat Georgia and Australia. Especially the latter. If we beat Australia we have a semi-legitimate claim to being a top 3 side, if we don't we don't.

Look. It means nothing but like fine art, it still looks good.

But it means even less until the end of the AIs. If we're still third then, I'll say we were 3rd at the end of 2014 (a nice feat to go up from an all time low of 9th just last year) And we get to stay there until the 6N.
If we're not 3rd by the end of these series of games, I'll never mention it again.
I usually keep a chart of IRB rankings just to see patterns in extended graphs. It can be fun. But I only ever enter/record the final listing in any given month.

I had nothing to do so went through the historical rankings from January 2004, took the last week of every month as the rating and worked the averages out since then.

NZ 92.02
SA 87.14
OZ 86.25
ENG 83.12
FRA 83.02
IRE 81.24
WAL 79.40
ARG 79.14
SCO 76.26
SAM 74.15

Biltong wrote:I had nothing to do so went through the historical rankings from January 2004, took the last week of every month as the rating and worked the averages out since then.

NZ 92.02
SA 87.14
OZ 86.25
ENG 83.12
FRA 83.02
IRE 81.24
WAL 79.40
ARG 79.14
SCO 76.26
SAM 74.15

You have entirely too much free time BIL

I was bored

Biltong wrote:I had nothing to do so went through the historical rankings from January 2004, took the last week of every month as the rating and worked the averages out since then.

NZ 92.02
SA 87.14
OZ 86.25
ENG 83.12
FRA 83.02
IRE 81.24
WAL 79.40
ARG 79.14
SCO 76.26
SAM 74.15

Wow got to say hats off that really must have took some doing and makes an interesting read, that looks like what the rankings look like most time i check them.

Someone is resisting changing that Leader Board
They have the story on IRB that we're gone up - but I think there must be a few fist fights going on in Head Office as someone refuses to press the 'Reflect Positions on Leaderboard' button

Fight over. Australian button presser tied down and gagged.

GunsGerms wrote:So if England lose and Ireland win Ireland will leap frog England and be truely the the NH champions as they should be.

By the way good work Portnoy. Not sure how you have done all the codes. For an old timer thats impressive.

Not knocking your 6N title last year, but what are you basing the 'true champions as it should be' comment on. You make it sound like an Irish birthright

Purely against tier 1 NH countries (6N) over the last 3 years Ireland's record is w7 d1 l6.
England's is w12 d0 l3.
Wales are the same but they have a Slam and a title over that period. Surely Wales are the top NH team against their peers.

It's only the fact that they play the top 3 SH teams more (and keep losing to them) than Ireland that is preventing them being higher up the rankings.

PS - when Ireland stop designating games against Fiji as 'non-cap' internationals (2012) to avoid losing ranking points and their 8th seed position for the coming RWC I'll have a bit more respect for those 'cute hoors' at the IRFU.

So 3rd isn't reflective of Ireland being good, only that Australia and England are in a bit of a not-so-great period of poor form?

Great.  I knew that.  It's always that way.  
"If I'm there it's because I'm naturally better than you.  But if you're up there its because I'm not feeling so well"
It's similar to the famous John Cleese/Ronnie Corbett Class Hierarchy sketch.

What Guns was refering to was the mathematical model only, which kinda likes order; and suggests that the highest ranked Euro side in competitive terms in any one year might naturally be presumed to be also the IRB top ranked Euro side at the same time. Guns only refers to the theory...I'd assume for a little fun.

Crud of course in practice, as we all know.  But don't get hot about it and drag Wales into the fight, Hound - given that your guys hardly ever gave credit to Wales as being best Euro side...even when they were proving they were! You talked of being................................ higher than them in the IRB rankings

Back to the Cleese sketch for them too when the fancy takes you

I think these are the rankings. Georgia and Japan play in a few hours time. The only 6 nations/Rugby championship side that might effect may be Italy.

Ranking  Teams Points
1 (1)   NZL 93.7
2 (2)   RSA 89.93
3 (3)   IRE 85.48
4 (5)   ENG 84.21
5 (4)   AUS 83.58
6 (7)   WAL 79.94
7 (6)   FRA 79.66
8 (8)   SCO 78.77
9 (9)   ARG 78.22
10 (10)   JPN 76.07
11 (11)   SAM 75.39
12 (13)    FJI 74.18
13 (12)   TGA 74.12
14 (14)   ITA 71.19
15 (15)   GEO 69.4
16 (16)   USA 67.99
17 (18)   ROM 67.38
18 (17)   CAN 66.83
19 (19)   RUS 64.12
20 (20)   URU 63.58

Ireland have consolidated 3rd spot and Australia fall below England (all three teams sitting close together). There's a bit of as log jam from Wales down to Argentina.

If England can beat Oz can they jump Ireland.

I am not sure I like the plucky Irish ahead of us.

No, we can't get ahead of Ireland. We'd have 87.21 (home advantage), Australia have 83.58. So we're 3.63 ahead meaning we get (10-3.63)/2 points for a win...0.64. If we hammer them we can get 0.96. So the best we can get is 85.17, which is still behind Ireland on 85.48.


I think.



But that's right, right? Ireland beat South Africa and Australia. We (if we beat Australia) lost to South Africa and beat Australia.

I don't know how to work this out, makes no sense to me the formula, and I need someone to explain it to me step by slow pedantic step.

HammerofThunor wrote:No, we can't get ahead of Ireland. We'd have 87.21 (home advantage), Australia have 83.58. So we're 3.63 ahead meaning we get (10-3.63)/2 points for a win...0.64. If we hammer them we can get 0.96. So the best we can get is 85.17, which is still behind Ireland on 85.48.


I think.



But that's right, right? Ireland beat South Africa and Australia. We (if we beat Australia) lost to South Africa and beat Australia.

Ta we will have to wait to beat them at there home next year then..

Well done Irish by the way .cracking year..

Just use the points calculator on the op. Thats what i do.

mystiroakey wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:No, we can't get ahead of Ireland. We'd have 87.21 (home advantage), Australia have 83.58. So we're 3.63 ahead meaning we get (10-3.63)/2 points for a win...0.64. If we hammer them we can get 0.96. So the best we can get is 85.17, which is still behind Ireland on 85.48.


I think.



But that's right, right? Ireland beat South Africa and Australia. We (if we beat Australia) lost to South Africa and beat Australia.

Ta we will have to wait to beat them at there home next year then..

Well done Irish by the way .cracking year..

We now have a price on our head. Extra motivation for our five European friends to smash us to pieces come 6N

Hound of Harrow wrote:PS - when Ireland stop designating games against Fiji as 'non-cap' internationals (2012) to avoid losing ranking points and their 8th seed position for the coming RWC I'll have a bit more respect for those 'cute hoors' at the IRFU.

Surely the extremely one-sided nature of that game would have helped us not hindered us... it was an easy win for our B team. I was equally annoyed, but because of the contract we signed that all capped Internationals must be in Dublin.

Not sure Wales should be ahead of France, Scotland, Arg. Can look a bit odd at times these rankings.

Is the old IRB site now gone?  I see the only choice now is a brand spanking new 'World Rugby' site.  First impressions - schit.  

Gone minimalist like most sites seem to favour (saving old money?)  Anyway, it'll be a bastard finding stats now until I get up to speed on where things are on the bloody cheap and cheerful Aldi shelves! Oh there's a hammer, right beside a women's pair of briefs......................

The sniff of a new world order?
nzl 93.70
rsa 88.23
irl 85.48
eng 84.85
aus 82.95
wal 81.64
fra 79.66
sco 78.78
arg 78.23
sam 75.39

®Lidl

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:The sniff of a new world order?
nzl 93.70
rsa 88.23
irl 85.48
eng 84.85
aus 82.95
wal 81.64
fra 79.66
sco 78.78
arg 78.23
sam 75.39

®Lidl

Its the same every year before the World Cup , Two of the sanzar three get rocked up north but post world cup its always the same result .

Bullsbok wrote:
Its the same every year before the World Cup , Two of the sanzar three get rocked up north but post world cup its always the same result .

That one of the SANZAR teams is outside the top 3? As SA were in '03 and '11 (5th and 4th respectively) and Aus were in '07 (5th).

Big wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:
Its the same every year before the World Cup , Two of the sanzar three get rocked up north but post world cup its always the same result .

That one of the SANZAR teams is outside the top 3?  As SA were in '03 and '11 (5th and 4th respectively) and Aus were in '07 (5th).

yup , i seem to remember the Boks also lost to Ireland in 06 eoyt then marched on to win the cup in the north the followng year. Hoping for a repeat

Bullsbok wrote:

Big wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:
Its the same every year before the World Cup , Two of the sanzar three get rocked up north but post world cup its always the same result .

That one of the SANZAR teams is outside the top 3?  As SA were in '03 and '11 (5th and 4th respectively) and Aus were in '07 (5th).

yup , i seem to remember the Boks also lost to Ireland in 06 eoyt then marched on to win the cup in the north the followng year. Hoping for a repeat

Boks have a much tougher draw this time around.

GunsGerms wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

Big wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:
Its the same every year before the World Cup , Two of the sanzar three get rocked up north but post world cup its always the same result .

That one of the SANZAR teams is outside the top 3?  As SA were in '03 and '11 (5th and 4th respectively) and Aus were in '07 (5th).

yup , i seem to remember the Boks also lost to Ireland in 06 eoyt then marched on to win the cup in the north the followng year. Hoping for a repeat

Boks have a much tougher draw this time around.

Not really , unless The Wallabies decide to screw us over and come in second instead of first in their group like they did in 2011. A qf vs England is one i'd bet the Boks on any day ditto Wales despite our first loss to them since 99 . I dont bet against the Wallabies beating us tho , as they do that with an annoying regularity .As for the semis well All blacks v Boks world cup are a free for all if history is anything to go by though i'd always give the edge to the All blacks in a one of game.

England just beat Australia in Twickers so there is a good chance they will come second. Then the Boks will more than likely play Aus followed by NZ.

England just beat Australia in Twickers so there is a good chance they will come second. Then the Boks will more than likely play Aus followed by NZ.

If you come second you will have to play Ireland or France. Probably Ireland. Not sure you would be over excited about that. Who knows though the Boks tend to under rate Ireland.

England beating Australia is the bigger problem. I doubt we'd come second in our group so beating Australia twice (rc) next year is imperative in case we meet them at the WC

Even though SA have a much better recent record v Australia than they do against Ireland? Wierd logic.

"Not really , unless The Wallabies decide to screw us over and come in second instead of first in their group like they did in 2011."

what?

What Bulls is saying is that Normal service will be resumed regardless of this year's AI, 2015's 6N or any of the warm up games later on.

He's saying that by the time the WC comes around, the usual big SH three will be most scared mostly of each other.

I wouldn't suggest that was an outlandish thought either.  If Australia doesn't improve under Cheika in a year then he simply will have proven International coaching doesn't and won't ever suit him.  
That might actually prove itself true and not many people seem to consider that he's a very hands on, impatient man who might easily become frustrated by the stop/start nature of his new job.
But the money would be on him being consistent and improving any side he goes to.

SA will too be packing a harder punch than this AIs evidenced. And again, I can't see why people think that their poor, poor form is something that will linger now for 11 months.

For Bulls AUS is more a threat than England or Wales. And who is to say that's wayward thinking.

No what he is saying is that aus are favs to top the group and that they would on purpose finish second to miss playing them.

Its nonsense. Normal service would be England topping the group especially at home.. And i am not saying that because i am biased. England are a WC team- we have won one and got to 3 finals. This isnt AI time or 6nations time. This is the WC we are talking about