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Post by Guest on Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:26 pm

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The discussion(s) continue here guys.

Unbelievable win for the Canaries tonight which see's Man City top for the first time this season, will they hold on.

QPR - still without a win - look doomed and Aston Villa drop into the bottom 3.


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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:38 am

west ham vs tottenham today Smile

come on the hammers!!

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Post by JamesLincs on Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:44 am

you mean tottenham v west ham? hard to predict how todays games will go

draws all the way?

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:59 am

i think we can sneak a draw today 1-1

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:09 pm

I think Spurs will win comfortably today myself but wouldn't be surprised at all if West Ham came away with a result such is their season so far.

They are all hard games to call to be fair. Hopefully Liverpool can maintain their little unbeaten run with a win today.

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:34 pm

Be amazed if Newcastle can grab a win today, season is turning into a nightmare. No Perch, Cabaye, Coloccini or Ben Arfa. Cisse completely out of sorts and slightly injured may play but Saints confidence is high and I think we'll get rolled over. 3-1 Saints.

Chelsea 2-1 Man City
Swansea 0-2 Liverpool

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:48 pm

No Danny Graham in the squad for Swansea today. Rumor has it we are after him in January, and he has fallen out with Laudrup big time in Swansea. Maybe just maybe...
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Post by JamesLincs on Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:04 pm

swansea 1-1 liverpool
saints 1-1 newcastle
spurs 1-1 west ham
chelsea 2-2 man city

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Post by The Special Juan on Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:52 pm

Hernandez (Pablo) has settled into English football now, I think. Great player. I was expecting this to be a dull "bore the opposition to death" match but it's surprised me greatly.
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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:24 pm

Gerrard is gone, I get frustrated watching great players struggle on trying to recreate old form. He's the one holding back Liverpool in my opinion, yet the managers continue to play them because of their name and past success. The same thing happened with Lampard at Chelsea. Gerrard is anonymous in games, only recognised for a set-piece, likewise with Lampard and his penalties. Prolonging these players careers doesn't help club or country.


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Post by Lumbering_Jack on Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:54 pm

Is it just me or is Joe Allen massively overrated? He doesn't actually do anything worth while. No final ball and never beats his man.

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Post by Lumbering_Jack on Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:03 pm

All this talk of footballers being brave really is vomit inducing. It is a tackle, nothing more.

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:05 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:All this talk of footballers being brave really is vomit inducing. It is a tackle, nothing more.

They'll be getting praise for heading the ball next.

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Post by LivinginItaly on Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:32 pm

Hope Rafa manages to have a winning start, despite all the negative media comments I actually think he could have some short term success with Chelsea.

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Post by Crimey on Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:52 pm

I think Gerrard has been a lot better for country than club in the last couple of years, Hodgson has given him a role in the England side that suits him a lot more than his club role.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:54 pm

What's happening with Newcastle this season? I know injuries have hit but if they lose this they are behind us.
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Post by JamesLincs on Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:57 pm

spurs have won! gallas is on the bench, so i know weve got this

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:00 pm

Chelsea fans boo Benitez. Dont agree with that, yes they are angry that Di Matteo was sacked but get behind the new manager for gods sake
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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:02 pm

Grant Holt V2 wrote:Chelsea fans boo Benitez. Dont agree with that, yes they are angry that Di Matteo was sacked but get behind the new manager for gods sake

Benitez won't care. He has no feelings, cold as ice that bloke.

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Post by JamesLincs on Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:21 pm

2-0 saints, what is going on at newcastle?!?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:30 pm

Danny Baker ‏@prodnose
Chelsea fans. You HAVE no voice. That is the price you paid to be what you are now. You are season tickets. Program sales. Product. Face it.

That tweet sums up the situation at Chelsea perfectly for me
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Post by JamesLincs on Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:46 pm

real class goal from defoe, he turns with the ball on the byline by the half way line, approaches goal, turns it onto his right foot and hits a powerful dipping shot to beat the keeper. just deserved. west ham fans have been giving him stick from the start, and hes obviously delighted

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Post by MtotheC on Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:57 pm

In regards to joe Allen, I know quite a few Liverpool fans that are quite frustrated with the lad at the moment an I can see their point of view he doesn't score goals or create them, he doesn't break up the play or drive the team forward. He is a very neat and tidy footballer, he rarely gives the ball away and does keep the play moving with sort sharpe passes, he tends to go backwards more often than not but I think this has a lot to do with his direction from the manager, that's the way Rodgers wants him to play by keeping possession

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Post by JamesLincs on Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:23 pm

fantastic win for spurs, at long last. a convincing win

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Post by The Special Juan on Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:26 pm

Since when did Defoe score goals? What a season he is having.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:49 pm

To be fair Defoe has always scored 10+ goals a season mostly from the bench. Guess now he is starting he is proving he can score bagfuls
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Post by The Special Juan on Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:13 pm

Never actually rated him before Laugh Seems he's better suited to being on his own up front than with Crouch then.
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Post by socal1976 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:09 pm

Grant Holt V2 wrote:Danny Baker ‏@prodnose
Chelsea fans. You HAVE no voice. That is the price you paid to be what you are now. You are season tickets. Program sales. Product. Face it.

That tweet sums up the situation at Chelsea perfectly for me

That is the deal they made with billionaire and bond villain look like Abramovich. I really am shocked by di matteo's sacking. I am not a Chelsea fan but they do seem to be making a lot of headlines lately. How do you fire a guy just a few months after winning the european championship and while you have a good squad in the thick of a league championship battle? This is what happens when a football club gets reduced to the satisfaction of one man's ego. Blofeld doesn't care if the fans want di matteo he didn't buy his expensive blue toy to share or to make anyone other than himself happy.

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:17 pm

3-1 defeat to tottenham Sad

very poor result!

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Post by MtotheC on Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:26 pm

CF wrote:3-1 defeat to tottenham Sad

very poor result!

I would say that considering spurs have finished 4th, 5th, 4th in the last three seasons whilst west ham have been relegated and spent a season in the championship, to be defeated at WHL for a newly promoted team is not a bad result.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:36 pm

That's really not that bad a result CF. You are a newly promoted side and Spurs are a decent side when they decide to play well
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Post by Crimey on Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:58 pm

To be fair Spurs were on a bad patch of form so it wasn't too unbelievable that West Ham could have hoped for a draw.

On the other hand, West Ham haven't won away yet this year so clearly they have an issue with away games.

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Post by MtotheC on Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:14 pm

Spurs bad run had coincided with games against city, Chelsea, arsenal and lazio so a tough patch to get any thing from. A very good three points today for spurs but an expected three points

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:58 pm

Crimey wrote:To be fair Spurs were on a bad patch of form so it wasn't too unbelievable that West Ham could have hoped for a draw.

On the other hand, West Ham haven't won away yet this year so clearly they have an issue with away games.

Hammers have beaten both QPR and Newcastle away this season. But maybe they don't count!. Erm

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Post by Crimey on Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:22 pm

Corporalhumblebucket wrote:
Crimey wrote:To be fair Spurs were on a bad patch of form so it wasn't too unbelievable that West Ham could have hoped for a draw.

On the other hand, West Ham haven't won away yet this year so clearly they have an issue with away games.

Hammers have beaten both QPR and Newcastle away this season. But maybe they don't count!. Erm

I got that from the BBC report of the game, checking now that particular sentence has been removed. picard

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Post by JamesLincs on Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:23 am

it isnt a fixture thing, spurs have been poor all season and have only turned up in the big games despite defeats to chelsea, city and arsenal. today was a refreshing change. and only our second convincing win of the season. ill add the united win to that list, but it was difficult to watch at times. im a little more confident now ahead of wednesdays game. as it is set to be a difficult night for me with most of my chums being liverpool supporters. 8 of them infact. so a win is a must for me personally, i may not be able to face footy training the following monday

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Post by MtotheC on Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:13 am

I wouldnt say spurs form was that bad at the start of the season, prior to the Chelsea game we had gone 9 games unbeaten 6 without defeat and four wins on the bounce in the league including a massive win at Old Trafford. The slump before yesterday's win was fixture related IMO however we did take the lead against Chelsea, city and arsenal before losing

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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:10 pm

whats happening with newcastle is our own fault or mostly ashley's. actually gaining a europa league spot was always going to be a negative for this season, add in the injuries to cabaye, ben arfa, perch, taylor + recent suspensions of our two powerhouses tiote & coloccini & the shocking form of Cisse had all added to our current situation. THIS IS GOING TO BE A SHOCKING SEASON FOR US. Not buying or strengthening the first team was a horrific decision.

Take all our issues and translate that to any other team outside the usual top 4 and they would also be in deep trouble. I mean take out Jelavic, Fellaini, Baines & Jagielka out of the everton first team and what do you get.........

The toon are in trouble but we've just got to make sure we get a midtable, do as well as possible in europe (possible last 16) and then rebuild for next season.

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Post by Ent on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:58 pm

Well not sure why I forced myself to watch that travesty of a game, but it's over now.

Benteke aside, nothing worth watching.

Gotta fear for Reading, very little quality in the squad.

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Post by westisbest on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:19 pm

Massive win for us. Benteke does it again.

2 poor teams on show..

This is a big week for us, so far so good.

C'mon villa 3 more points Saturday.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:33 pm

Unless they seriously invest in January, Reading are going down. And even if they do its gonna be a struggle
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Post by guildfordbat on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:36 pm

Grant Holt V2 wrote:Unless they seriously invest in January, Reading are going down. And even if they do its gonna be a struggle

Olly - so only two others for you to worry about staying above! Wink

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:39 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
Grant Holt V2 wrote:Unless they seriously invest in January, Reading are going down. And even if they do its gonna be a struggle

Olly - so only two others for you to worry about staying above! Wink

I'm not condemning them yet! Way too early for that, but it looks as if they are going to struggle. Lack of depth and quality in the squad imo
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Post by guildfordbat on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:54 pm

Olly - a very proper response to my flippant comment. thumbsup

Btw, I suspect Sunderland fans might be starting to look over their shoulders ....

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Post by The Special Juan on Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:01 pm

Can't put my finger on Sunderland's woes. Decent team, good manager (who was doing a great job before the end of last season so it's not his fault). Missing Nicklas Bendtner?

Now that I think about it, I think it's because Sessegnon hasn't really turned up this season and he makes them tick. There's only so much Fletcher can do so when Sessegnon turns up they'll motor away from the relegation zone. I doubt they'll go down, although there's no such thing as a team "too good to go down".
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:19 pm

John Ruddy ‏@Johnruddy86
Just to update everyone on my injury, unfortunately I have torn my thigh will be having surgery on saturday and out for up to 3 months, Sad

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Post by The Special Juan on Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:09 pm

I think Steve Clarke's played a masterstroke tonight in swapping (not dropping!!) Long for Lukaku. I reckon Lukaku's power can cause Chico and Williams a few problems at CB, and even if it doesn't work Long can come off the bench.

Fancy Spurs to win tonight. Dembele gives them something extra in the whole team and is definitely a player that Fergie should have bought to fix the midfield.

Also fancying wins for Everton, Southampton and Citeh.
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Post by Crimey on Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:11 pm

Can't believe Rodgers is starting Downing again, absolute madness.

Why sign Assaidi and then never use him in the Premier League despite good performances in the Europa League?

Why condemn Downing to not even getting on the bench, only to start using him in key games?

Let's hope Suarez is in good form...

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Post by The Special Juan on Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:13 pm

And I can't believe Benteke is only 21, he looks really old (although not as old as Doumbia!!)

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Post by Crimey on Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:21 pm

What are everybody's thoughts about the whole Darren Bent situation?

I think Paul Lambert is making a big mistake, Bent is a proven Premier League goal-scorer, and whatever else he brings to the table is up for argument, that ability to hit the back of the net is one of the most important and even if Lambert would rather start with Benteke up front (likely as he is a Holt-esque player), Bent is still a good option off of the bench.

It's especially odd because of (1) the money Aston Villa spent on Bent, while it wasn't Lambert who sanctioned that move, I'm surprised that Lerner isn't pushing Lambert to use him, even if it's just to get his price up to sell in January, and (2) he was made captain by Lambert because of Petrov's injury. To be made captain at the start of the season, and yet end November completely out of favour without any public bust up, or even particularly bad form is very odd.

I think the most likely reason is Bent has been difficult in training or something like that so Lambert is refusing to use him on principle. The other is that there is something in Bent's contract that means one more apparence= either a bonus to him, a bonus to Sunderland or some other thing like that and Villa don't want to pay it.

I can't understand it to be honest as Bent would be a valuable player for most Premier League sides in even better positions than Villa, never mind a club struggling to score goals and stay in the Premier League. I feel sorry for him as well, as he finally broke into the England side and is now pretty far down the pecking order.

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:35 pm

Hammers play united tonight..

i can see us losing 3-0 Sad

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