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Post by mark_england on Mon 04 Mar 2013, 11:46 pm

For numerous reasons.

What stable of fighters would you rather have?

Hearn - Froch, Brook, Groves, Bellew, Barker, Frampton. Plus Rees who could have some good domestic fights coming up, big prospect in Yafai.

Warren - Cleverly, Chisora, Burns, J.Murray, Mitchell.

Look who's now left Frank Warren? DeGale, Groves, Bellew. Why? Because Hearn offers you more. He'll build your profile more. He'll get you bigger fights. He can also have you fighting on Sky Sports which gives more exposure, as opposed to fighting away on Box Nation. I know Price isn't a Warren fighter, but I reckon alot of people wouldn't have even had a clue he was fighting last week because he was tucked away on BoxNation. If Cleverly was fighting under Hearn do you think he'd still be fighting these no bodies who are quite frankly a joke?

Hearn also seems like a cool guy, and I think he understands what fans want far more than Warren. Hopefully BoxNation goes bust, it's restricting this great sport from attracting more fans.

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Post by Makaveli on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 12:00 am

You have to give it to him, his done well to take control of the UK scene, so far, and his prize fighter concept is a big success also attracting alot of the casual fans, although if he could have made a deal with itv or channel 5 i think a prize fighter concept on terrestial tv would have much much better for boxing, but from what he has acheived so far id agree he is the top promoter, but we cant speak to early just yet, frank warren may be struggling but you can never count him out, he always has something up his sleave, also weve yet to see the effect of golden boy uk. Things are looking good for Hearn at the moment though.

However for all the praise you can give him, weve got to remember his still a promoter and all they care about is money, and with so many fighter in his stable, there will come a time where, his going to become a little stingy (only my prediction not a fact), and we will be saying in 10 years times eddie was jus warren mark 2

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Post by Seanusarrilius on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 12:25 am

At this point, anyone who puts on strong shows with comeptitive fights gets my vote and Hearn does that in abundance. Wish him all the best. Keeps boxing buzzing on SKY, too

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Post by Strongback on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 12:31 am

The way things are going Matchroom might be the only big promotor left in the UK.

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Post by Lance on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 2:14 am

hes certainly the strongest at the moment, but i think his shows are poor. not enough competitive fights and more biased refs and doctors than even warren manages to find. hes doing good business for his fighters, but hes not exactly doing anything the other promoters havent done at various stages. warren still stacks his cards for a much better evenings entertainment than hearn and lets not forget warren has provided uk tv with a lot of great bouts from abroad in the past year. sky do know how to sell something though. look at all the half wits who are thoroughly convinced the english premier league is by far superior to anything else

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 9:20 am

Lance wrote:hes certainly the strongest at the moment, but i think his shows are poor. not enough competitive fights and more biased refs and doctors than even warren manages to find. hes doing good business for his fighters, but hes not exactly doing anything the other promoters havent done at various stages. warren still stacks his cards for a much better evenings entertainment than hearn and lets not forget warren has provided uk tv with a lot of great bouts from abroad in the past year. sky do know how to sell something though. look at all the half wits who are thoroughly convinced the english premier league is by far superior to anything else

Erm ??

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Post by eddyfightfan on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 1:43 pm

Lance wrote:hes certainly the strongest at the moment, but i think his shows are poor. not enough competitive fights and more biased refs and doctors than even warren manages to find. hes doing good business for his fighters, but hes not exactly doing anything the other promoters havent done at various stages. warren still stacks his cards for a much better evenings entertainment than hearn and lets not forget warren has provided uk tv with a lot of great bouts from abroad in the past year. sky do know how to sell something though. look at all the half wits who are thoroughly convinced the english premier league is by far superior to anything else

the refs and doctors are assigned by the bbboc or the governing body/sanctioning body- nothing to do with the promoter. i like that eddie lets his fighters box on other cards if the opportunity is there, probably why his fighters get more opportunities and he has better relations with over seas promoters.

my one beef with eddie is when is barker going to face macklin?

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Post by PaulHv2 on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 4:09 pm

I think it's Macklin avoiding that fight more than Barker Eddie. When they where on ringside a few weeks ago Macklin kept repeating he was levels above Barker which seems strange.
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Post by azania on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 4:31 pm

Lance wrote:hes certainly the strongest at the moment, but i think his shows are poor. not enough competitive fights and more biased refs and doctors than even warren manages to find. hes doing good business for his fighters, but hes not exactly doing anything the other promoters havent done at various stages. warren still stacks his cards for a much better evenings entertainment than hearn and lets not forget warren has provided uk tv with a lot of great bouts from abroad in the past year. sky do know how to sell something though. look at all the half wits who are thoroughly convinced the english premier league is by far superior to anything else

Very true. Warren delivered many stacked cards. Unfortunately people will remember him for delivering a night nurse to Clev.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 4:35 pm

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Lance wrote:hes certainly the strongest at the moment, but i think his shows are poor. not enough competitive fights and more biased refs and doctors than even warren manages to find. hes doing good business for his fighters, but hes not exactly doing anything the other promoters havent done at various stages. warren still stacks his cards for a much better evenings entertainment than hearn and lets not forget warren has provided uk tv with a lot of great bouts from abroad in the past year. sky do know how to sell something though. look at all the half wits who are thoroughly convinced the english premier league is by far superior to anything else

Very true. Warren delivered many stacked cards. Unfortunately people will remember him for delivering a night nurse to Clev.

Key difference being your correct use of the past tense.

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Post by Lance on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 4:42 pm

boxnation has done more good for me as a boxing fan than anything hearn is currently doing. ive seen a lot of good international fights on boxnation in the last year. if it wasnt for hearns ties with sky,and manipulating the boxing output they have, we wouldnt have to pay for these fights. hearn has made deals with sky to make sure the other promoters didnt get a look in. how is this good for UK boxing?

we saw froch fighting great opposition, kell fighting bums and bellew was boxing better opposition before these guys went to hearn. driving the other promoters out of town will be no good for boxing fans in the long run. the man cares nothing for fans, simply for money, same as his piers. lets not pretend hes doing us any favours.

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Post by seanmichaels on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 4:47 pm

I think the way boxers are these days promoters will suffer.

Warren's problem is that he's using Cleverly and Burns to stage his other fighters. You could argue that he's stacking his cards too well as these keep falling through which pi55es off people like Groves who then do a runner.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 5:16 pm

Lance wrote:boxnation has done more good for me as a boxing fan than anything hearn is currently doing. ive seen a lot of good international fights on boxnation in the last year. if it wasnt for hearns ties with sky,and manipulating the boxing output they have, we wouldnt have to pay for these fights. hearn has made deals with sky to make sure the other promoters didnt get a look in. how is this good for UK boxing?

we saw froch fighting great opposition, kell fighting bums and bellew was boxing better opposition before these guys went to hearn. driving the other promoters out of town will be no good for boxing fans in the long run. the man cares nothing for fans, simply for money, same as his piers. lets not pretend hes doing us any favours.

How is squirrelling away fighters on an obscure channel any good for boxing either? It needs PREmotion not DEmotion.

I think you need to check your history too. Kell was fighting bums under Warren, not Hearn, it's Matchroom that have turned Kells career around. Bellew was a nobody under Warren also and Froch's career has sky-rocketed. Really can't understand have you've got that all so backward, unless I've misread your post.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 6:36 pm

Wasn't Bellew with Warren when he lost a close decision to Cleverly??

That close defeat and the press conference before it...kind of propelled him forward....

You're being harsh on Warren........there.

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Post by davidemore on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 6:57 pm

Hearn is number 1.

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Post by manos de piedra on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 7:28 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Lance wrote:boxnation has done more good for me as a boxing fan than anything hearn is currently doing. ive seen a lot of good international fights on boxnation in the last year. if it wasnt for hearns ties with sky,and manipulating the boxing output they have, we wouldnt have to pay for these fights. hearn has made deals with sky to make sure the other promoters didnt get a look in. how is this good for UK boxing?

we saw froch fighting great opposition, kell fighting bums and bellew was boxing better opposition before these guys went to hearn. driving the other promoters out of town will be no good for boxing fans in the long run. the man cares nothing for fans, simply for money, same as his piers. lets not pretend hes doing us any favours.

How is squirrelling away fighters on an obscure channel any good for boxing either? It needs PREmotion not DEmotion.

I think you need to check your history too. Kell was fighting bums under Warren, not Hearn, it's Matchroom that have turned Kells career around. Bellew was a nobody under Warren also and Froch's career has sky-rocketed. Really can't understand have you've got that all so backward, unless I've misread your post.

Well boxnation is showing boxing that would otherwise not be available. In an ideal world boxing would be shown regularly on terrestial tv. But it isnt and wont be anytime soon. What I think boxnation is trying to tap into is to the fact there simply isnt much boxing available on tv.

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Post by TheMackemMawler on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 7:55 pm

In attempt to stop us masturrbating over Hearn...

Eddie takes his fighters abroad because it's the cheaper option (doesn't have to hire a venues, pay for doctors etc).

Eddie's looking for big fights too soon. Great for fans, poor for careers. Some will say if you're good enough you're ready enough (however, it's a bit simplistic).

Hearns is interested in short term profit only. Not concerned with careers or welfare, hence the big fights too soon.

Hearns wants his pretty boy ego massaged for making biggish fights (as though he's the one doing the fighting).

Hearns has his lads fighting on sky. Great. Some people can't afford to attend big fights abroad, he should try harder to get the guys to come here.

Frank either want's to squeeze as much money out of his guys as possible by bringing them on slow. Or, he genuinely cares for the lads long term careers, and less about what the fans want.

...and at the end of the day they're company owners and they'll run their businesses in the most profitable way possible, and step on a lot of people along the way.
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 8:13 pm

99.999999999999999% the former, not the latter re Frank.

If he 'cared' remotely he wouldn't have collapsed his company rather than pay JC his due fee (and wouldn't have needed taking to Court for it in the first place).

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Post by TheMackemMawler on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 8:34 pm

I agree with you Toppy.

I just wanted to give an alternative to the mundane "Warren Sucks, Eddie Rocks"
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Post by Rowley on Tue 05 Mar 2013, 8:43 pm

Got to say I am half in agreement with Mackem on this one, the Hearn love in is getting a bit nauseating. Don't get me wrong I think he is doing well and I like to see fighters travelling and testing themselves against the best, but lets not go too over the top. He is new to the game and has just been given exclusivity at Sky, is inevitable he is going to be making a bit of an effort in the honeymoon phase. I used to get dressed up for the first view dates with the missus. Lets see if he still operates like this a few years down the line before we hail him as the saviour of the sport.

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Post by Lance on Wed 06 Mar 2013, 2:23 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Lance wrote:boxnation has done more good for me as a boxing fan than anything hearn is currently doing. ive seen a lot of good international fights on boxnation in the last year. if it wasnt for hearns ties with sky,and manipulating the boxing output they have, we wouldnt have to pay for these fights. hearn has made deals with sky to make sure the other promoters didnt get a look in. how is this good for UK boxing?

we saw froch fighting great opposition, kell fighting bums and bellew was boxing better opposition before these guys went to hearn. driving the other promoters out of town will be no good for boxing fans in the long run. the man cares nothing for fans, simply for money, same as his piers. lets not pretend hes doing us any favours.

How is squirrelling away fighters on an obscure channel any good for boxing either? It needs PREmotion not DEmotion.

I think you need to check your history too. Kell was fighting bums under Warren, not Hearn, it's Matchroom that have turned Kells career around. Bellew was a nobody under Warren also and Froch's career has sky-rocketed. Really can't understand have you've got that all so backward, unless I've misread your post.

have kells opponents been beter under hearn? hatton is no better than jennings, jones was made to look good by kells poor stamina and then salvidia was yet another step backwards. now they have thrown him into a world title shot away from home, that isnt selling and looks like its going to get cancelled. bellew fought for a world title under warren, now hes gonna get eliminators for a belt hes never gonna get a shot at anyway. frochs bank balance may have rocketed but his standard of opposition certainly hasnt.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 06 Mar 2013, 2:35 pm

I agree Bellew first became a name under Warren...who deserves credit Lance.....But............

Hearn has been willing to test fighters like Barker and Macklin against a top p4p fighter in Martinez!!!

Warren would be more reluctant me thinks..I'm sure you'd agree.

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Post by Pedro147 on Wed 06 Mar 2013, 2:38 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Lance wrote:boxnation has done more good for me as a boxing fan than anything hearn is currently doing. ive seen a lot of good international fights on boxnation in the last year. if it wasnt for hearns ties with sky,and manipulating the boxing output they have, we wouldnt have to pay for these fights. hearn has made deals with sky to make sure the other promoters didnt get a look in. how is this good for UK boxing?

we saw froch fighting great opposition, kell fighting bums and bellew was boxing better opposition before these guys went to hearn. driving the other promoters out of town will be no good for boxing fans in the long run. the man cares nothing for fans, simply for money, same as his piers. lets not pretend hes doing us any favours.

How is squirrelling away fighters on an obscure channel any good for boxing either? It needs PREmotion not DEmotion.

I think you need to check your history too. Kell was fighting bums under Warren, not Hearn, it's Matchroom that have turned Kells career around. Bellew was a nobody under Warren also and Froch's career has sky-rocketed. Really can't understand have you've got that all so backward, unless I've misread your post.

Promotion not premotion...

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 06 Mar 2013, 2:39 pm

Ha! touche!!

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 06 Mar 2013, 2:47 pm

Lance wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Lance wrote:boxnation has done more good for me as a boxing fan than anything hearn is currently doing. ive seen a lot of good international fights on boxnation in the last year. if it wasnt for hearns ties with sky,and manipulating the boxing output they have, we wouldnt have to pay for these fights. hearn has made deals with sky to make sure the other promoters didnt get a look in. how is this good for UK boxing?

we saw froch fighting great opposition, kell fighting bums and bellew was boxing better opposition before these guys went to hearn. driving the other promoters out of town will be no good for boxing fans in the long run. the man cares nothing for fans, simply for money, same as his piers. lets not pretend hes doing us any favours.

How is squirrelling away fighters on an obscure channel any good for boxing either? It needs PREmotion not DEmotion.

I think you need to check your history too. Kell was fighting bums under Warren, not Hearn, it's Matchroom that have turned Kells career around. Bellew was a nobody under Warren also and Froch's career has sky-rocketed. Really can't understand have you've got that all so backward, unless I've misread your post.

have kells opponents been beter under hearn? hatton is no better than jennings, jones was made to look good by kells poor stamina and then salvidia was yet another step backwards. now they have thrown him into a world title shot away from home, that isnt selling and looks like its going to get cancelled. bellew fought for a world title under warren, now hes gonna get eliminators for a belt hes never gonna get a shot at anyway. frochs bank balance may have rocketed but his standard of opposition certainly hasnt.

That not one of the main jobs of a promoter/manager?

Also, Saldivia, Hatton and Jones are all levels above the likes of Jennings and Lomax (the only 2 half decent ‘Warren-era’ boxers on Kell’s CV) who are more on N’Dou’s level. There was also no suggestion Kell was ever going to move on from that level under Warren and he couldn’t sell out venues for love nor money. Matchroom have changed all that.

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Post by Pound-for-Pound on Thu 07 Mar 2013, 3:17 am

Looks like Warren has just lost Burns too. Understandable that Burns would be annoyed about his lack of activity but sad that, if true, it means the Vasquez clash is off. Surely if he cared about staying active he would have waited until after this fight as this will likely keep him out longer.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 07 Mar 2013, 9:15 am

Yeh, saw this being rumoured on Twitter. Unbelievable. Really bad week for ol' Frank Warren. Shows nobody trusts him to deliver big fights or manage their careers properly anymore.

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Post by Guest on Thu 07 Mar 2013, 10:41 am

Surely the title of the should read "Eddie Hearn easily the top promoter in for UK now."

Yes, he's having a bit of a purple patch but there'll come a time when many of his big names come a cropper or, like Froch, retire from the sport. At this moment in time, Hearn hasn't proved himself to be able to deliver the goods time after time, year after year.


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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 07 Mar 2013, 11:07 am

DAVE667 wrote:Surely the title of the should read "Eddie Hearn easily the top promoter in for UK now."


It could be, but it wouldn't make much sense.

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