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Post by MtotheC on Thu 14 Mar 2013, 9:37 am

First topic message reminder :

After two months of competition, over 2500 votes, over 5500 comments, a voting scandal, a restarted format and the Gavin Hastings situation, the v2 GOAT has come to its climax with the final matchup of the tournament today to decide who the v2 posters will crown their greatest of all time.

Yesterday’s two semi-finals were two of the most closely contested matches of the tournament with football, tennis, cricket and boxing represented in the final four, in match 1 Mohammed Ali took on Don Bradman and with the voting neck and neck for the majority of the day it was eventually the self-proclaimed greatest of all time that took the initiative and became the first entrant to secure his spot in the final. In the second match grand slam champion Roger Federer took on two time world cup winner Pele, in another intriguing battle that was extremely close all day neither man could establish a lead of any note, eventually Federer sealed his spot in the final by just two votes finishing on 44 to Pele’s 42.

Bradman exits the competition defeating Zinedine Zidane, and Harry Greb in round 1, Daley Thompson, Brain Lara and Eddy Merckx in round 2, Sugar Ray Robinson and Usain Bolt in the last 16 , Michael Phelps, Tiger Woods and Michael Johnson in the last 8.

Pele’s scalps include Michael Schumacher, Stephen Hendry, Phil Taylor, Martina Navratilova and Wayne Gretzky.

Today’s final sees a clash of styles, generation and sports as boxing takes on tennis to decide the v2 G.O.A.T

Ali vs. Federer and emancipator vs 6oldenbhoy in the battle of the GOAT champions

Please vote for the v2 G.O.A.T

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Post by Imperial Ghosty on Thu 14 Mar 2013, 9:42 pm

In that case I take offence.

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Post by ShahenshahG on Thu 14 Mar 2013, 9:43 pm

I think if you spent less time looking for reasons to be offended you wouldn't be so angry all the time laughing

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Post by Imperial Ghosty on Thu 14 Mar 2013, 9:44 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Dont worry about it. I just couldnt be bothered with the hardcore debate tonight, searching through wiki and getting numbers and posting articles..

I have been on the boxing boards and wummed it up on occasion. I think I was having a pop at the Kilitckos or something. jeas i got battered then. but probally my own fault. Karma lol

I would probably have backed you up if you said anything derisory of the K bots.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty on Thu 14 Mar 2013, 9:45 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:I think if you spent less time looking for reasons to be offended you wouldn't be so angry all the time laughing

I'm not angry i'm passionate Wink

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Post by ShahenshahG on Thu 14 Mar 2013, 9:49 pm

I think it was the chisora brawl, arguing about who was at fault. I think Mystir contended it was fake and set up and then managed to urine nearly everyone off Laugh that was an awesome thread, everyone became lawyers judges, pacifists right wing left wing. Then everyone pouring fuel onto the fire. Oxring, Union, we started copying law and interpreting it, then copying german law, consulting german based posters. Haye had legged it from germany and chisora had been taken into custody. No one knew where haye was.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty on Thu 14 Mar 2013, 9:51 pm

Ah that reminds me of Chris Dior the supposed lawyer who copied case law off of wikipedia.

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Post by mystiroakey on Thu 14 Mar 2013, 9:53 pm

I knew I was on to a loss on this one with you Ghost so I switched it to try and gain the moral highground!

Still anyway. Not happy about Ali leading this.

But there is allways hans past midnight(should I have said that....)


Shah. yeah that was it !! haha


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Post by milkyboy on Thu 14 Mar 2013, 10:10 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:I think it was the chisora brawl, arguing about who was at fault. I think Mystir contended it was fake and set up and then managed to urine nearly everyone off Laugh that was an awesome thread, everyone became lawyers judges, pacifists right wing left wing. Then everyone pouring fuel onto the fire. Oxring, Union, we started copying law and interpreting it, then copying german law, consulting german based posters. Haye had legged it from germany and chisora had been taken into custody. No one knew where haye was.

Doesn't sound like the boxing board shah, load of ego's willy waving and taking ourselves a bit seriously. Sure it was us, not some other board in a distant universe?

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 3:30 am


This is real easy.

A contact sport versus a noncontact sport, for the courage factor alone the boxer is miles ahead of any tennis player.

Ali is the greatest.

46 votes to 43 is pretty close.

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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 6:52 am

Miles ahead because these people punch each other Headscratch

All I know is that I would rather have been a tennis player, anyone of my family and friends as well!!

Tennis incoropartes ubber skillz, and the best get to match up against the best all the time.. Tennis is a very competetive sport. Boxing is a gangster controlled money spinner at the moment.

I am not a hater of boxing by the way. But it doesnt seem to be run the way it could be.

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Post by barragan on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 6:56 am

Auckers, did you cut and paste that insightful and imaginative comment from the last round...and the one before that...and the one before that...and the one before that...and the one before that...or are you just making use of the 'signature' function the site provides? picard

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:05 am

barragan wrote:Auckers, did you cut and paste that insightful and imaginative comment from the last round...and the one before that...and the one before that...and the one before that...and the one before that...or are you just making use of the 'signature' function the site provides? picard


Thank you Barragan for reading my posts, I take it as a compliment, however you appear to have missed my previous post relating to Ali and Federer, and it went something along the lines of:

Ali has appeared three times on the cover of Time magazine (once as Cassius Clay).......



Federer Never. he has no legacy, he has no history.

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:15 am



Stream of votes for Federer, its now 46 all...in the space of 10 minutes.

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:17 am


federer now in the lead 47 to Ali's 46., they're coming thick fast now.

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Post by spencerclarke on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:21 am

Oakey not sure how you can watch any Ali, mayweather, leonard fights for example and think that the sport doesnt require bags of skill as well.

I believe the amount of athletesism required to fight twelve rounds is under appreciated at times too. If you go on to the boxing boards check out unions archive.

Ive seen many tennis matches in my time that have been extremely boring as I have seen many fights that have been. Many of the early rounds of tennis these days create few shocks.

Anyway this isn't boxing v tennis. This is federer against Ali. So I reiterate if you can not make Roger a favourite on clay against an opponent from his own era he can not be the GOAT of allsports for me. As oimpressive as he is

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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:29 am

Spence dont spin this. I havent said boxing doesnt require skillz.

Aso Aucks was the one to compare the two sports. And tbh there is nothing wrong with that. Even if I dont agree with his sentiment and outcome. Because lets be honest saying a fighting or contact sport has to be better than any other is a bit basic..

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Post by spencerclarke on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:37 am

I thought the comment about people simply punching one another in the head was over simplifying a great sport.

For every boring fight someone could put forward someone else could put forward a match where someone wins by being tall and able to serve great alone with out a decent all round game. It doesn't make one sport greater or worse than another.

But to say boxing is just gangster run and think tennis has no issues is not right either. As ive stated before all sports have their problems.

I for one dont agree in any sport having a seeding system. Look how great the fa cup os because anyone can draw any one at amy stage. But money rules now a days. Sponsors and organizers fear losing the big names early and that is the only reason we have it

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:40 am



Federer 48 Ali still stuck on 46.

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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:41 am

Spencer I mentioned why I rate tennis over boxing. Boxing is curropt. I can not respect it the same way as Tennis. That is my opinion. And my opinion is the honest truth. You dont have to agree.

Its as simple as that.

I didnt say that I rate tennis over boxing due to its non contact element. It was Aucks that rates contact sports over non. Have you got it?

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Post by barragan on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:43 am

The fact tennis has a variety of surfaces is testament to the diversity of the sport and cannot count against federer in this case - a truly bizzare argument.

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Post by barragan on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:45 am

What the heck does Time magazine have to do with anything on here?!

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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:46 am

No idea ban Rolling Eyes

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Post by spencerclarke on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:47 am

And yet having weight divisions is seen as a negative?

Barragan do you not believe that when judging the GOAT in all sports we should not look at this sort of thing? Doesnt matter what size the ring was each fight Ali is still head amd shoulders the number one heavyweight

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:50 am

barragan wrote:What the heck does Time magazine have to do with anything on here?!


I used it merely as an example of how Ali is regarded and held in esteem compared to Federer, by being reflected on the cover of a truely International publication.

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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:51 am

What heavyweight would you put as the best since Ali Spence?

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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:52 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
barragan wrote:What the heck does Time magazine have to do with anything on here?!


I used it merely as an example of how Ali is regarded and held in esteem compared to Federer, by being reflected on the cover of a truely International publication.

That to me could be a negative. It means celebrity over sport to me. And therefore brainwashes the world into believing the legend rather than having to see it first hand and/or using proper sporting context.

And of course the older you are - the more chance you have of being on the front cover of a publication!



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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:54 am

48 each.......

Good final

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:57 am

No Mystir its about respect, its a respect that was earned by performing in Sport to a dimension that made the World stop and admire him in awe. not just the supporters and media within the boxing fraternity.

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:58 am


We might end up with even more votes cast than when old spaghetti was around.

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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 7:59 am

Aucks its a magazine thats all. Its respect from an editor!

Secondly even if this is somehow the be all and end all(seriously pushing even writing that to be honest)

Ali has been around alot longer. It just boils down to simple maths.

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:02 am


No it aint the be all and end all.

Anyway Cassius Clay first appeared on the cover of Time Magazine at the age of 21, Federer is much older than and he hasnt made it yet.

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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:03 am

I just read that Nixon has been on it 55 times.

Got to be honest I havent even read this magazine pal. It means nothing to me.

Jordon has appeared on the front cover of Ok a few times. Whoop Very Happy

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Post by spencerclarke on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:07 am

Id say larry holmes oakey. Tyson' brilliance at the top was far too short lived.


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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:12 am

Ok ta.

So no one from the modern age then. I allways thought of holmes as back in Alis kind of time! Infact he battered him didnt he?

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Post by barragan on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:14 am

spencerclarke wrote:And yet having weight divisions is seen as a negative?

Barragan do you not believe that when judging the GOAT in all sports we should not look at this sort of thing? Doesnt matter what size the ring was each fight Ali is still head amd shoulders the number one heavyweight

its a completely different context, and doesn't really have a comparable scenario in boxing as far as i can see. The weight divisions are not comparable to different playing surfaces. The closest thing you'll get to that in tennis is the difference between the men and women's game, but again this isn't really a particularly good comparison.

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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:17 am

96 votes allready?

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:19 am


No one just got taken off Ali so hes back down to 47.

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:20 am


now up to 97.

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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:21 am

back to 96 -


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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:21 am

whats going on..

it was 48- 49 to fed. now its been switched up

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:23 am

Ali back in the lead 49 48. its good to see so many voters working their little fingers to the bone.

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Post by VTR on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:23 am

The voting stinks but it is fun to watch. I can just imagine some 35 year old bloke sat in his bedsit, the walls adorned with pictures of a sweaty Swiss man in shorts, furiously creating new accounts to vote for Federer.

Think we could reach 1,000 votes at this rate!

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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:24 am

grrr.

Come on FED.

Very Happy

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:25 am

mystir

I think the idea is not to take it too seriously, and I dont for a minute suggest you are.

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Post by VTR on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:26 am

mystiroakey wrote:grrr.

Come on FED.

Very Happy

Its you Oakey isn't it - just noticed you are 35! Only kidding Hug

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:27 am

Ali streaking ahead now.

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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:28 am

Well sadly some one has taken this way to seriously. Not suggetsing that is happening at the moment though!!


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Post by mystiroakey on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:29 am

VTR wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:grrr.

Come on FED.

Very Happy

Its you Oakey isn't it - just noticed you are 35! Only kidding Hug

laughing

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 15 Mar 2013, 8:30 am

For a moment there Mystir I thought you were going to say that people in boxing were corrupt.

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