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Post by Jhamer25 on Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:50 pm

Tell me who you think will be the lions props on your and who could be a bit of a suprise.
Also would you sacrifice a back to take 6 props, I would.
I would take
Gethin Jenkins
Adam Jones
Dan Cole
Cian Healey
Ryan Grant
Euan Murray.
What about you, i'm very curious to know becuase every time i talk to people about it this they disagree with me for someone else. So i would like to know peoples choices and why.

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Post by reallybored on Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:55 pm

That's who I'd take.

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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:13 pm

I would take Paul James over Gethin Jenkins purely on scrummaging. There's enough competition for the back row - we don't need another 7 in Jenkins! Although saying that, I've no problem if all of your suggestions go really, just that James is better than Jenkins at the primary job IMO.

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Post by reallybored on Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:44 pm

Griff don't be daft, I swear some people just like to say something different even if it's totally ridiculous.

You would prefer to take Paul James ahead of the guy he's behind Internationally who happens to have won 3 Grand Slams, just captained Wales to championship and also played for the Lions in 5 tests?

Do you disagree with your reflection in the morning?

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:24 pm

reallybored wrote:Griff don't be daft, I swear some people just like to say something different even if it's totally ridiculous.

You would prefer to take Paul James ahead of the guy he's behind Internationally who happens to have won 3 Grand Slams, just captained Wales to championship and also played for the Lions in 5 tests?

Do you disagree with your reflection in the morning?

By the same reckoning you would take Jenkins ahead of the guy he is behind at club level. A man who has appeared in a World Cup final, a man who started in the only test the Lions have won in 12 years. A man with a history of destroying Aussie scrums, one of the few European players they are scared of?

Jeez he gave a valid reason and instead of disagreeing you insult him.


(PS just in case people are not aware I would not select Sheridan - just m aking a point)

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Post by king_carlos on Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:48 pm

Loosehead - Healy, Jenkins, Grant - reserve Sheridan
Tighthead - Jones, Cole, Murray - reserve .... Erm

That's who I'd go with - good mixture of strong scrummagers (Healy, Jones, Murray) and excellent operators in the loose (Healy, Jenkins, Grant, Cole).

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Post by George Carlin on Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:29 am

Taking my mildly senile, casually racist Uncle Angus as 4th choice tighthead would have to go down as a bit of a surprise. He lives in hope, though.
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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man on Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:46 am

Jones was gash tonight - Grant had him well and truly
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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:57 am

I'd be tempted to bring in Vunipola and sacrifice Grant. The Aussies are only passable scrummagers and he is a beast in the loose.

Don't rate Murray in the slightest and would take Ross ahead of him. We lose a little in the scrum but gain alot more round the park. Not that it matters as Jones and Cole are miles ahead.

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Post by Biltong on Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:11 am

Healy and Cole/Jenkins with Best in the mirrel.
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Post by Biltong on Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:12 am

I am going to move this to the international section. thumbsup
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Post by Looseheaded on Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:39 am

I'd go with OP's selection.

With Murray and Ross I personally think Murray's a better player and a character which you need on this kind of a tour, he's a funny bloke but has a great work ethic, it's pretyt ideal.

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Post by The Great Aukster on Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:18 am

Surely the front row rules require at least three players for each position?

It would be pointless taking a pure 60 min scrummager like Mike Ross. The Lions will need fifteen defenders who can make lots of tackles and he isn't up to that pace.

Healy, Best, Cole
Jenkins, Hibbard, Jones
Grant, Youngs, Murray

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Post by George Carlin on Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:21 am

I agree with Sam in that Murray has not regained his form of 2009-2010 but also with Loose that he's still a better choice than Ross. Murray is a big game player and the scrum penalty that he won allowed us to beat the Wallabies last year. He also regsters high on tackle counts and gets through much more work than he used to.He's still at least third in the tighthead pecking order, mind.
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Post by DrTreasure on Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:29 am

formerly known as Sam wrote:I'd be tempted to bring in Vunipola and sacrifice Grant. The Aussies are only passable scrummagers and he is a beast in the loose.

Don't rate Murray in the slightest and would take Ross ahead of him. We lose a little in the scrum but gain alot more round the park. Not that it matters as Jones and Cole are miles ahead.

May be worth watching the warriors game last night. Grant was awesome in the loose. Also 5th top tackler in the six nations which is impressive for a prop.

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Post by reallybored on Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:05 am

formerly known as Sam wrote:I'd be tempted to bring in Vunipola and sacrifice Grant. The Aussies are only passable scrummagers and he is a beast in the loose.

Don't rate Murray in the slightest and would take Ross ahead of him. We lose a little in the scrum but gain alot more round the park. Not that it matters as Jones and Cole are miles ahead.
Vunipola can't last 80 minutes, that's a major problem on a Lions tour.


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Post by hjumpshoe on Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:36 am

pretty much agree with the OP's sentiments regarding taking 6 props and also his choice of who they should be. However, If Gatland does decide to only take 5 props and an extra player elsewhere, Paul James really does come into the equation being a loosie who has coped well at Int level playing TH.

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Post by Jhamer25 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:49 am

Griff don't be daft, I swear some people just like to say something different even if it's totally ridiculous.

You would prefer to take Paul James ahead of the guy he's behind Internationally who happens to have won 3 Grand Slams, just captained Wales to championship and also played for the Lions in 5 tests?

Do you disagree with your reflection in the morning?
Everyone is going to disagree with each others, that why i made this topic. Honestly though even though paul James is very good in the scrum he has nothing to offer in the loose at all. Jenkins is just one of those players who has to go purly on his talent as an all around rubgy player. I think some people say he isn't a good scrummage just because others do (not aiming that at you though Griff). He, in every six nations along wiht adam have dominated the scrums, He destroyed cole in Cardiff and cole is not a push over in the scrums.

Jones was gash tonight - Grant had him well and truly

To be honest they were both terrible and annoyed me, i was looking forward to a scrummaging clash off them 2 cause both are great scrummagers. But both looked like they didn't want to bother. Hence BOTH got yellow carded and let 2 amatuers come on and do a better job than 2 potential lions. Ridiculous but one bad game doesn't make either player bad.

I agree with Sam in that Murray has not regained his form of 2009-2010 but also with Loose that he's still a better choice than Ross. Murray is a big game player and the scrum penalty that he won allowed us to beat the Wallabies last year. He also regsters high on tackle counts and gets through much more work than he used to.He's still at least third in the tighthead pecking order, mind.

I thought murray had a very good six nations, dominent in most games - scrummaging wise, gave Joe Marler a hard time in twicks especially. Also was top or joint top tackler in one game.

I'd be tempted to bring in Vunipola and sacrifice Grant. The Aussies are only passable scrummagers and he is a beast in the loose.

Grant is a much better player scrummaging wise and in the loose. Grant is under rated by some as he has only just come onto the scene in the past year or so. A very strong ball carrier lke we saw last night. A very strong scrummager and a good work rate with tackling. Stand out player for me agaisnt the all blacks vs the scots.
Vunipolo is veyr unfit for an international he will have a dominent/stand out 10-15 minutes then start to fade away into all the other players. He isn't nearly as good of a scrummager than jenks, grant or healey. Also people have seem to forgot about Corbisiero who is the elading looshead when fit, not the 45 minutes Vunipolo.


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Post by reallybored on Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:53 am

Surely he'll take 6 props, especially if there are two prop replacements on the bench.

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Post by George Carlin on Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:42 pm

Whoever gets chosen, there's clearly quite a bit of make-up sex required.

Healy standing on Cole, Grant and Hairbear getting each other 10 minutes on the sidelines. One of the Sarries weekends away is surely required. Or some quality karaoke in Honkers would probably do the trick. Murray and Brown would know a few good places.
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Post by kiakahaaotearoa on Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:48 pm

Make-up sex GC??!! I think you're thinking of hookers not props...

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Post by Looseheaded on Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:02 pm

George Carlin wrote:Whoever gets chosen, there's clearly quite a bit of make-up sex required.

Healy standing on Cole, Grant and Hairbear getting each other 10 minutes on the sidelines. One of the Sarries weekends away is surely required. Or some quality karaoke in Honkers would probably do the trick. Murray and Brown would know a few good places.

imagine the offspring
there'd be a multibillion pound bidding war between the unions for their allegiance

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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:23 pm

reallybored wrote:Griff don't be daft, I swear some people just like to say something different even if it's totally ridiculous.

You would prefer to take Paul James ahead of the guy he's behind Internationally who happens to have won 3 Grand Slams, just captained Wales to championship and also played for the Lions in 5 tests?

Do you disagree with your reflection in the morning?


Bit harsh on me! The Wales scrum has improved when we've brought James on, which is a rare luxury. Most teams generally have weaker players on the bench. Don't get me wrong - I'm a huge Jenkins fan and have always championed him. For Wales it's great to have someone who gets to the tackle first or second and can 'jackal', thus adding to the turnover options. However, Australia are no mugs in the scrum contrary to popular belief. Their first team is more than capable. I just think I'd take a prop for scrummaging first and foremost as we're able to to pick 'good around the park' players from the whole of the uk and Ireland, so Jenkins' versality there is not needed as much as it is with Wales (when we perhaps only have one other 'scavenger' in the land to call on).

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Post by The Great Aukster on Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:29 pm

There is no option but to take at least three props for either side of the scrum. None of the props mentioned can adequately cover both sides, so the Lions would be one injury away from handing scrum advantage to Australia.

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Post by Jhamer25 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:46 pm

There is no option but to take at least three props for either side of the scrum. None of the props mentioned can adequately cover both sides, so the Lions would be one injury away from handing scrum advantage to Australia.

So what you would take people like tom court, Matt stevens and paul james who although very good at looshead is pants at tight head (as he proved in the world cup against france). Really i would prefer my chances with gethin going tight than bring on Paul James or Tom Court into tight head.

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Post by MacKnocked-on on Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:12 pm

Ryan Grant has earned his selection I feel, better player than some of the more hyped alternatives. Euan Murray on the other hand isn't the player he was, his attitude doesn't seem to be quite right. If John Welsh had been fit I don't think Murray would currently even be Scotland's no3.
I predict 3 Glasgow Lions which would be fantastic.

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Post by 100%beefy on Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:14 am

Healey and Jones

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Post by The Great Aukster on Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:26 am

Jhamer25 wrote:
There is no option but to take at least three props for either side of the scrum. None of the props mentioned can adequately cover both sides, so the Lions would be one injury away from handing scrum advantage to Australia.

So what you would take people like tom court, Matt stevens and paul james who although very good at looshead is pants at tight head (as he proved in the world cup against france). Really i would prefer my chances with gethin going tight than bring on Paul James or Tom Court into tight head.

EH?

What I'm saying is there is NO option but to take three specialist looseheads and three specialist tightheads because there is no one who can cover both sides adequately!

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Post by Jhamer25 on Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:21 pm

EH?

What I'm saying is there is NO option but to take three specialist looseheads and three specialist tightheads because there is no one who can cover both sides adequately

Oh sorry I thought you meant you would rather take versatile props instead of experiecned props who can only play in one position. My fault and yea you are right.

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