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Post by Stella on Wed 08 May 2013, 8:10 am

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IF Sir Alex does finally hang up his hair dryer, who should be the man to replace the legendary Scot?

Jose? - Proven in the EPL and Europe but may jump ship after two - three seasons.

Klopp? - Has formed a very good team at Dortmund but has not managed in the EPL and has a little to prove.

Moyes? - Has made Everton a tough hard working unit, and has Fergie's inner steel qualities but is that enough? Hasn't won a single thing in over 10 years of management.

Anyone else?


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Post by Afro on Thu 09 May 2013, 9:35 am

You could be right.

I admit that we have regularly gone a long way in cups, but then our mentality changes and we seem to adopt an underdog mentality. Same in games against teams like United, City and Chelsea. We seem to over respect them.

He would obviously not adopt this at United, but I have noticed a slight change to this in the last 12 or so months. We have taken the game to them a bit more and felt we were more than competitive at that level (like in the 4-4 at Old Trafford last season)
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Post by The Special Juan on Thu 09 May 2013, 11:19 am

BigFellasAfro wrote:You could be right.

I admit that we have regularly gone a long way in cups, but then our mentality changes and we seem to adopt an underdog mentality. Same in games against teams like United, City and Chelsea. We seem to over respect them.

He would obviously not adopt this at United, but I have noticed a slight change to this in the last 12 or so months. We have taken the game to them a bit more and felt we were more than competitive at that level (like in the 4-4 at Old Trafford last season)

And the way Utd got absolutely hammered for 90 minutes at Goodison. I've noticed it too as, forgive me Afro, the Everton before this season played very football boring, but this season they've been far more exciting.
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Post by Stella on Thu 09 May 2013, 11:20 am

Everton do tend to play a little negative when at home to the smaller clubs. Not sure if Everton fans would agree?
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 09 May 2013, 11:22 am

Read somewhere that Bobby Charlton disliked Mourinho......All the taunting of fans...poking people in the eye and other cheap stuff didn't wash..........Charlton being old school..

United are the biggest most respected brand in football it pains me to say...

I'm sure they took that into consideration..


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Post by The Special Juan on Thu 09 May 2013, 11:24 am

It's like trying to follow Sean Connery as James Bond; it's almost impossible. I just hope Utd end with Roger Moore instead of George Lazenby.
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Post by Crimey on Thu 09 May 2013, 11:24 am

Fergie was hardly an angel himself.

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Post by Kenny on Thu 09 May 2013, 11:29 am

Liam wrote:Only person I'd want from Everton would be Baines. Fellaini doesn't suit the way we play really. Would rather see Kagawa in behind RVP where he belongs. When they've been played that way both have excelled and its only because of Rooney's name and past glories he's shifted Kagawa out wide.

But any new manager is going to tweak the style of play , no matter how successful the Utd style has been different managers adopt different styles
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Post by Afro on Thu 09 May 2013, 11:34 am

The Special Juan wrote:
And the way Utd got absolutely hammered for 90 minutes at Goodison. I've noticed it too as, forgive me Afro, the Everton before this season played very football boring, but this season they've been far more exciting.



That's a bit of a misconception tbh. We have played attractive football for the best part of 3 or 4 seasons now. We mix it up and get stuck in when we need to, but our style has been short low passes in and around the area for a few years.

This season has seen a step up where we have added a bit of pace to our game, and that is what everyone has noticed. If anything, with Fellaini playing further forward we are a little more direct this season than previous years
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 09 May 2013, 11:49 am

Leighton Baines to Utd...........Rooney out..........

I reckon.

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Post by Crimey on Thu 09 May 2013, 11:50 am

BigFellasAfro wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:
And the way Utd got absolutely hammered for 90 minutes at Goodison. I've noticed it too as, forgive me Afro, the Everton before this season played very football boring, but this season they've been far more exciting.



That's a bit of a misconception tbh. We have played attractive football for the best part of 3 or 4 seasons now. We mix it up and get stuck in when we need to, but our style has been short low passes in and around the area for a few years.

This season has seen a step up where we have added a bit of pace to our game, and that is what everyone has noticed. If anything, with Fellaini playing further forward we are a little more direct this season than previous years

Yeah I think this year Everton have been playing worse football, it seems to be boot it up to Fellaini or now Anichebe and hope they can hold it up. It's a shame as I don't think Everton need to play that way, they have enough players good with the ball at their feet.

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Post by The Special Juan on Thu 09 May 2013, 12:57 pm

This might be the stupidest question of the day but has Fergie actually gone or is he leaving after the Swansea game or is he leaving at the end of the season?
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Post by Crimey on Thu 09 May 2013, 12:58 pm

The Special Juan wrote:This might be the stupidest question of the day but has Fergie actually gone or is he leaving after the Swansea game or is he leaving at the end of the season?

I think he's leaving at the end of the season. What is more complicated is whether Moyes stays for the last two games or goes...

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Post by GSC on Thu 09 May 2013, 12:59 pm

What I could see is Fergie retiring after the last home game sunday and Moyes leading the team at West Brom.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 09 May 2013, 1:00 pm

Fergie will leave at the end of the season.....He'll see it through.

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Post by The Special Juan on Thu 09 May 2013, 1:01 pm

Crimey wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:This might be the stupidest question of the day but has Fergie actually gone or is he leaving after the Swansea game or is he leaving at the end of the season?

I think he's leaving at the end of the season. What is more complicated is whether Moyes stays for the last two games or goes...

That's the weird thing; the BBC have something at the top of the screen about talks between the two clubs over the release of Moyes' contract.

GSC wrote:What I could see is Fergie retiring after the last home game sunday and Moyes leading the team at West Brom.

I could definitely see that, but it depends if Everton have something to play for or not.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 09 May 2013, 1:26 pm

Still lt's all rejoice..................

1. The biggest bully in football is going.............

2. Referees might start giving penalties at old trafford and in away games as Moyes isn't as intimidating as the old boy!!

Should be interesting..

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Post by Guest on Thu 09 May 2013, 1:43 pm

GSC I think you may have hit the nail on the head. The reports suggest that United are in discussions with Everton...why? He's out of contact in a couple of weeks.

The only logic I can see in it is Fergusons last game is at home to Swansea and Moyes is in place for the final game against West Brom, otherwise we don't have to have any involvement with Everton at all as all negotiations would be done through Moyes and his agent


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Post by The Special Juan on Thu 09 May 2013, 2:20 pm

Crisis at Utd. #MoyesOut #FergieIn

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10046150/Wayne-Rooney-deletes-Manchester-United-player-from-Twitter-bio.html
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Thu 09 May 2013, 2:21 pm

Apparently Man United's fb page has confirmed Moyes.

Let's hope he punches Rooney in the face and tells him to man up

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Post by Crimey on Thu 09 May 2013, 2:24 pm

Or just cashes in on him.

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Post by The Special Juan on Thu 09 May 2013, 2:29 pm

I like the bit where he describes himself as an "athlete". If he wants to go, let him go. I'll have no ill feeling towards him unless he joins Citeh.
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Post by Guest on Thu 09 May 2013, 2:36 pm

If Rooney wants out then let him go. Has hardly set the world alight these last few seasons and if we can get 30 million for him then so be it

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Post by Stella on Thu 09 May 2013, 2:42 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22453895
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Post by Duty281 on Thu 09 May 2013, 2:45 pm

Signed, sealed, and done then. Best of luck to David Moyes, quite possibly the hardest job in club football, and certainly the hardest manager in world football to succeed.

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Post by Guest on Thu 09 May 2013, 2:53 pm

Everton have announced that Moyes will leave at the end of the season

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Post by Kenny on Thu 09 May 2013, 2:55 pm

Anyone heard if theres any truth to the rumour of Phil Neville going in as assistant manager ?

Only ask as i had been told he had agreed to go to Hull City on a 2 year playing deal .
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Post by The Special Juan on Thu 09 May 2013, 2:56 pm

I have no idea Kenny but it's a very logical move for Phil...
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Post by Bull on Thu 09 May 2013, 2:57 pm

Will be interesting to see what Moyes does for us tbh

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Post by Kenny on Thu 09 May 2013, 3:01 pm

The Special Juan wrote:How much will Sky offer him to be a pundit?

He wouldn't make a good pundit , he never sees anything that happens on the pitch Wink ( only joking )
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Post by Stella on Thu 09 May 2013, 3:02 pm

TheBrahmaBull wrote:Will be interesting to see what Moyes does for us tbh

I can see a top four finish.
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Post by Kenny on Thu 09 May 2013, 3:08 pm

Stella wrote:
TheBrahmaBull wrote:Will be interesting to see what Moyes does for us tbh

I can see a top four finish.

I can see a top 4 finish for Utd if i managed them and i'm a Liverpool fan Smile
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Post by Guest on Thu 09 May 2013, 3:08 pm

I still think we'll be challenging for the title, Chelsea and City have found themselves a long way behind us this year and although both will have to strengthen and have to consider that FFP along the way

I don't see a new manager signalling a sudden decline in our fortunes

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Post by Stella on Thu 09 May 2013, 3:10 pm

Chelsea with a good manager will be a big threat next season and City will be back.
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Post by lorus59 on Thu 09 May 2013, 3:18 pm

If City and Utd play to full potential, I think City is the better team. But this season they didn't.

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Post by Duty281 on Thu 09 May 2013, 3:22 pm

City have a stronger squad on paper than United, just Mancini is a much inferior manager to Fergie. Will be very interesting next season, 3 horse race for the title!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu 09 May 2013, 3:24 pm

I wouldn't say City have a stronger squad than Utd, they have a stronger first XI, but there failing is there squad.

Take out Kompany and put in Kolo Toure, or take out Yaya and put in Rodwell/Garcia is quite a lack of depth.

United take out Rio, they can put in Jonny Evans. Take out RVP, you got Rooney/Hernandez.

Strength in depth innit
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Post by Crimey on Thu 09 May 2013, 4:30 pm

I still think United are favourites for the title, City are far too inconsistent and like Olly has said they lack strength in depth. Aguero, Toure, Silva, Hart and Kompany were all poor last season, they need them to pick up their form next season. I can see the likes of Tevez, Dzeko, Sinclair all leaving which means heavy investment is needed.

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Post by Kenny on Thu 09 May 2013, 4:36 pm

I'm sure they will , but i hope Everton fans give Moyes a good send off
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Post by Duty281 on Thu 09 May 2013, 4:38 pm

6 years huh? Massive show of faith by Manchester United.

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Post by The Special Juan on Thu 09 May 2013, 5:49 pm

Duty281 wrote:6 years huh? Massive show of faith by Manchester United.

I think that sends out a message form the Glazer's that Moyes, if all goes to plan, will be around for at least 10 years.
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Post by Kenny on Thu 09 May 2013, 5:50 pm

Yes i think they had to show they have confidence that he is the right man for the job and is their for the long haul
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Post by lorus59 on Fri 10 May 2013, 4:50 am

It's strange that players wages are always talked about when one moves to a bigger club, but no one has even mentioned what Moyes is getting.

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Post by The Special Juan on Fri 10 May 2013, 11:16 am

lorus59 wrote:It's strange that players wages are always talked about when one moves to a bigger club, but no one has even mentioned what Moyes is getting.

Hmmm that's a good point. All I know is that Fergie was the best paid manager in the league so I do wonder how much Moyes is getting.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 10 May 2013, 12:17 pm

Crimey wrote:I still think United are favourites for the title, City are far too inconsistent and like Olly has said they lack strength in depth. Aguero, Toure, Silva, Hart and Kompany were all poor last season, they need them to pick up their form next season. I can see the likes of Tevez, Dzeko, Sinclair all leaving which means heavy investment is needed.

Heavy investment will be provided...........Ronaldo or Bale I'd hope........As pace is desperately needed in the team......Hope young Rodwell gets more starts next year..He's impressed the last few times and is growing..Like the look of that Wigan leg cruncher also..

Dzeko, Sinclair, Lescott, Kolarov, Nasri and Garcia...........May all leave...........Richards can be an emergency centre half as well as cover for Zab..

But I don't think Utd played all that well during the year...Everything is to play for....Chelsea will be a threat too!!

Maybe Liverpool If they can win the games they dominate..

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Post by Guest on Fri 10 May 2013, 12:40 pm

Maybe Liverpool If they can win the games they dominate..
Don't be silly, what would people think if we started playing to our full potential?

Sinclair is pretty much out the door already isn't he? I thought Swansea wanted him. Nasri only really started playing well after the rollocking he was given for his poor defending of that freekick against Utd. He started to look like the player they bought from Arsenal. Dzeko is always going to be an asset to City however, if he wants first team football and someone offers the right amount of money, who can blame him for walking?

Lose Tevez and you're in the same boat as us, desperately needing a back up striker (or two).

The difference this season is when Utd played badly they still won, when City played badly they lost...

As for Moyes, he's got Fergie upstairs for when things get rough and I wouldn't be surprised if he sends the first three months banging on his door.

Brave move from Moyes as he'll be under the spotlight more than any other person in the EPL next season.




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Post by Hulking_up on Fri 10 May 2013, 1:05 pm

Duty281 wrote:6 years huh? Massive show of faith by Manchester United.
Probably the same deal as Pardew at Newcastle. 1 years wages when they sack him.

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Post by Guest on Fri 10 May 2013, 1:27 pm

Given he was on a reputed £4 million a year at Everton, it's nice work if you can get it

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Post by Ent on Fri 10 May 2013, 1:38 pm

Radio was quoting £33 million over the 6 years.

That was prob his transfer budget at Everton.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sat 25 Jan 2014, 11:12 am

guildfordbat wrote:First off - neat title for the thread, Stella.  clap  

As one of the eldest contributors here, please allow me to flag a problem from United's past which might just resurface next season and say that I hope all are better prepared now.

I actually remember when Sir Matt Busby finally* chose to retire as United's manager more than forty years ago. He was replaced by Leicester City's Frank O'Farell. O'Farell was a decent, hard working manager with a solid but unspectacular record. A little bit like one of the candidates today perhaps.

Anyway, also like Sir Alex Feruson will do very shortly as we are told, Busby didn't walk away from the club when he ceased to be manager but joined the Board. This - or rather Busby's continued presence at Old Trafford - caused O'Farrell considerable problems. The press (miniscule in comparison to today) always wanted Busby's take on things, particularly when they weren't going well. Players left out of the team would seek Busby out to voice their concerns behind the new manager's back. When results started to go against the team, supporters would call for Busby's return.

Cutting a long story short, O'Farrell ended up being sacked after eighteen months with three and a half years left on his contract. That of cause may still have happened if Busby had not been on site but O'Farrell definitely considered it a hindrance.

As for today, it's entirely understandable that the club still want to benefit from Ferguson's experience and reputation. It's also understandable that he still wishes to contribute. However, I do believe all involved (the Board, the new manager and Ferguson himself) will need to give careful thought as to how things are to proceed if the problems of the past are not to be repeated.

* Busby did in fact initially retire two years earlier. He was then replaced by reserve team coach Wilf McGuinness. This proved unsuccessful and Busby returned to manage United until O'Farrell's appointment.

Reposting this following comments on Tommy Kinsman's recent article.

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