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Post by Stella on Wed May 08, 2013 6:10 pm

First topic message reminder :

IF Sir Alex does finally hang up his hair dryer, who should be the man to replace the legendary Scot?

Jose? - Proven in the EPL and Europe but may jump ship after two - three seasons.

Klopp? - Has formed a very good team at Dortmund but has not managed in the EPL and has a little to prove.

Moyes? - Has made Everton a tough hard working unit, and has Fergie's inner steel qualities but is that enough? Hasn't won a single thing in over 10 years of management.

Anyone else?


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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu May 09, 2013 12:26 am

Yeah but with Mourinho you're gonna get 2-3 years out of him before he p!sses everybody off and moves on.

If I were a Utd fan I'd want Moyes
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Post by Duty281 on Thu May 09, 2013 12:29 am

Olly wrote:Yeah but with Mourinho you're gonna get 2-3 years out of him before he p!sses everybody off and moves on.

If I were a Utd fan I'd want Moyes

You'd want Moyes for hope of long-term security and stability at your club. But what if he's no good? His ability at the top level is untested. If he's no good, whom do you turn to then, with Mourinho probably back at Chelsea?

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Post by Duty281 on Thu May 09, 2013 12:36 am

The Times are saying Moyes will be named as Ferguson's successor in the next 24 hours.

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Post by GSC on Thu May 09, 2013 12:37 am

You want 2-3 years of Mourinho where he neglects youth?
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Post by Duty281 on Thu May 09, 2013 12:38 am

GSC wrote:You want 2-3 years of Mourinho where he neglects youth?

His ability at the top is proven, Moyes' isn't.

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Post by GSC on Thu May 09, 2013 12:39 am

His ability to burn bridges and **** off saddling you with veterans and no emerging talent is also proven.
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Post by The Special Juan on Thu May 09, 2013 12:39 am

True GSC. Moronho couldn't give a toss about youth (if anyone points out Varane he was in the academy before Moronho arrived I think).

Moyes it is. I'm satisfied.
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Post by GSC on Thu May 09, 2013 12:41 am

Mourinho only gives a crap about the present because Mourinho won't be around long enough to be in charge of the future.

Varane was good enough to play right away. Anyone who isn't gets buried. Great manager, but I wouldn't hand him the keys to my club if I were United.
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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Thu May 09, 2013 12:46 am

nasisillmatic wrote:
Crimey wrote:I fear for Everton, I think even if Moyes does stay they're facing a tough summer as I can see a lot of clubs swooping around their top players, if Moyes leaves it will only be exasperated.

Who do people think will take the Everton job if Moyes does leave? Mark Hughes? Or has his reputation gone down the pan now? Allardyce maybe?

I think Martinez would be favourite and a good choice, but I wouldn't rule out Neil Lennon & Mackay.

I'm sure Celtic fans would disagree with me, but that would be a horrific appointment IMO.

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Post by Duty281 on Thu May 09, 2013 12:58 am

Of course, we must remember this happened before:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/1338641.stm


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Post by nasisillmatic on Thu May 09, 2013 1:04 am

I know.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Thu May 09, 2013 1:26 am

It'll be Moyes. I'm happy for him too, English clubs used to promote managers through accomplishments within, now they look abroad straight away. I think Moyes will respect a working partnership with Fergie upstairs too. Only other options for me were Klopp or Solskjaer. Both could be future United managers. Interesting to see how United's manager culture changes now. Does one bad season see the new man gone?

Martinez or Redknapp for Everton.

Sad announcement for me. Ever since I've understood football Ferguson's teams have been entertaining and winning. I loved Robson then Ince then Keane and grew up with the kids you'd win nothing with.

Least we might win at Old Trafford now, no way Sam would beat a Fergie side under us


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Post by guildfordbat on Thu May 09, 2013 1:27 am

First off - neat title for the thread, Stella. clap

As one of the eldest contributors here, please allow me to flag a problem from United's past which might just resurface next season and say that I hope all are better prepared now.

I actually remember when Sir Matt Busby finally* chose to retire as United's manager more than forty years ago. He was replaced by Leicester City's Frank O'Farell. O'Farell was a decent, hard working manager with a solid but unspectacular record. A little bit like one of the candidates today perhaps.

Anyway, also like Sir Alex Feruson will do very shortly as we are told, Busby didn't walk away from the club when he ceased to be manager but joined the Board. This - or rather Busby's continued presence at Old Trafford - caused O'Farrell considerable problems. The press (miniscule in comparison to today) always wanted Busby's take on things, particularly when they weren't going well. Players left out of the team would seek Busby out to voice their concerns behind the new manager's back. When results started to go against the team, supporters would call for Busby's return.

Cutting a long story short, O'Farrell ended up being sacked after eighteen months with three and a half years left on his contract. That of cause may still have happened if Busby had not been on site but O'Farrell definitely considered it a hindrance.

As for today, it's entirely understandable that the club still want to benefit from Ferguson's experience and reputation. It's also understandable that he still wishes to contribute. However, I do believe all involved (the Board, the new manager and Ferguson himself) will need to give careful thought as to how things are to proceed if the problems of the past are not to be repeated.

* Busby did in fact initially retire two years earlier. He was then replaced by reserve team coach Wilf McGuinness. This proved unsuccessful and Busby returned to manage United until O'Farrell's appointment.

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Post by GSC on Thu May 09, 2013 1:28 am

I don't think SAF will be very hands on at all really. I think its more ceremonial, he'll know the new managers job will be impossible enough without him treading on his toes.
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Post by Ent on Thu May 09, 2013 1:34 am

I must say I have no interest in moyes, rather have an internal appointment or someone with a link to the club. Would you respect or be keen to sign for a united man with fergie hovering about or moyes on his own?

If fergie has ear marked him then fair enough.

Jose would do for a few years under strict conditions but he'd never take the job under these conditions.

Then you have a guy who can smooth the transition to the next long term manager whilst winning a few things.

We might win some stuff anyway over the next few years but I can see the success tailing off- it's been a great ride.

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Post by GSC on Thu May 09, 2013 1:36 am

I'm pretty sure Moyes is the guy SAF earmarked to take over.
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Post by Ent on Thu May 09, 2013 1:41 am

GSC wrote:I'm pretty sure Moyes is the guy SAF earmarked to take over.

Then he'll begrudgingly get my support for a few years (minimum 3), but I'd be really very worried.

Just read he hasn't won at a big 4 ground in 11 years or in 44 attempts.

Pretty shocking that, can anyone confirm it.

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Post by GSC on Thu May 09, 2013 1:42 am

He hasn't. At the same time he hasn't had a better team than those at any point.
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Post by Ent on Thu May 09, 2013 1:45 am

GSC wrote:He hasn't. At the same time he hasn't had a better team than those at any point.

That's the point in having a good manager?

Get big performances out of the team.

We are likely to have a weaker squad than at least 2 local and multiple European rivals next season.

Shall we be happy with 3rd and cl 1/4s - are we going to turn into arsenal...

Fingers crossed this all works out but I don't think it will.

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Post by Guest on Thu May 09, 2013 1:49 am

Thats an unfair stat to pick out.

What Moyes has done with that team is nothing short of brilliant. Getting them into a champions league position (only to be screwed by the ref) is an acheivement in itself.

I wholeheartedly back this appointment (if it is indeed him). Means we won't have the circus that is Mourinho, he can spot the potential in his youth players (anichebe aside), plus it could likely lead to United getting a man they've persued for the past couple of years - Leighton Baines

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Post by Ent on Thu May 09, 2013 1:53 am

He's done alright at Everton, came 4th once and got to an fa cup final in 11 years. Had some very good players at times to.

I don't think I'd mention Baines as a plus, everton will want to keep him and avoid losing important players after losing their manager.

I mean anyone could sign Baines for united for the right price.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu May 09, 2013 1:56 am

Ent man I get that its a sad day for Utd fans but saying you can see you becoming the Arsenal is a bit silly.

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Post by Ent on Thu May 09, 2013 1:58 am

Olly wrote:Ent man I get that its a sad day for Utd fans but saying you can see you becoming the Arsenal is a bit silly.


Just replying to the logic that it is ok to not overachieve in football.

I wouldn't be surprised if we turned into arsenal post fergie, always been worries about it.

You don't know what you have until it's gone, I think results will reflect that.

Hope I'm wrong.

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Post by Kenny on Thu May 09, 2013 1:59 am

Can i ask a serious question to everyone but mostly to Man Utd fans ( and this is not a wum just question about the state of football in general )

Do you think whoever takes over at Man Utd will in this modern era be given time to get things right if they don't come in and win the league or a cup straight away ?

I know Utd aren't usually that type of club but football has changed in the past 5 - 10 years with more owners wanting instant success .
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Post by Bull on Thu May 09, 2013 2:01 am

No we need Klop not Moyes though would take him over Mournego

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Post by Ent on Thu May 09, 2013 2:03 am

Yes he will get 3-5 years as long as there no disasterous seasons where we miss out on cl etc.

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Post by westisbest on Thu May 09, 2013 2:05 am

[quote="Ent"]He's done alright at Everton, came 4th once and got to an fa cup final in 11 years. Had some very good players at times to.

I don't think I'd mention Baines as a plus, everton will want to keep him and avoid losing important players after losing their manager.

I mean anyone could sign Baines for united for the right price.[/quote]

We could do with Baines(not that he would come to us, even for the 'right price').

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Post by Ent on Thu May 09, 2013 2:07 am

[quote="westisbest"]
Ent wrote:He's done alright at Everton, came 4th once and got to an fa cup final in 11 years. Had some very good players at times to.

I don't think I'd mention Baines as a plus, everton will want to keep him and avoid losing important players after losing their manager.

I mean anyone could sign Baines for united for the right price.[/quote]

We could do with Baines(not that he would come to us, even for the 'right price').

That's why I said to united for the right price.

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Post by Guest on Thu May 09, 2013 2:18 am

Kenny wrote:Can i ask a serious question to everyone but mostly to Man Utd fans ( and this is not a wum just question about the state of football in general )

Do you think whoever takes over at Man Utd will in this modern era be given time to get things right if they don't come in and win the league or a cup straight away ?

I know Utd aren't usually that type of club but football has changed in the past 5 - 10 years with more owners wanting instant success .

Agree with Ent. I think whoever comes in will be given the time and would only face sack if it went disastrous one season and like Ent said we missed out on Europe.

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Post by Duty281 on Thu May 09, 2013 2:22 am

United will demand instant success, unfortunately. Ferguson had time when he first went to Man United as they hadn't won a trophy since the 70s and there was little pressure to immediately win trophies. For his successor, he'll have a legion of glory hunters to satisfy, the eyes of the world's media, and have to follow up the greatest British football manager in history. Tough ask.

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Post by MtotheC on Thu May 09, 2013 2:23 am

Moyes would be a good choice, is he best choice no. Moyes has worked wonders at Everton on a limited budget and playing squad but surely the next manager of Manchester United needs to have a superior CV than Moyes? This is utd we are talking about and times have changed significantly in football since the era of when ferguson was appointed. City are the most legitimate threat Utd have ever faced to their long term dominance and they can't afford to get this appointment wrong, that's why I believe Jose will get the nod, is it coincidence that Jose is becoming available in the summer and at the same time ferguson calls time on his utd tenure? I think not.

I understand utd fans worries about Jose's ability to stick around longer than a few years or concentrate more on the present than the future but IMO he's exactly what utd need right now, the right man at the right time, football isn't the same anymore and there will never be another Fergie or 26 year management reign. Maybe Moyes is the next but one manager of utd.

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Post by Duty281 on Thu May 09, 2013 2:25 am

Doesn't 'Arry Redknapp have a superior CV to Moyes, and greater experience in the Champions League as a manager? #redknappforunited Whistle

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Post by mystiroakey on Thu May 09, 2013 2:31 am

lets be honest fergie has probally picked his own replacement!

make no mistake. Fergie will still be heavily involved in united..

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Post by The Special Juan on Thu May 09, 2013 2:34 am

I think Fergie will "remind" the club that he was given plenty of time to get things running smoothly but then again Utd were in a worse state then than they are now. I think Fergie will have a very backseat role; he knows what he's doing and won't want to ruin it for Moyes at all.
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Post by mystiroakey on Thu May 09, 2013 2:38 am

so you dont think fergie has a say in his replacement??

i would put money on the fact that he picked him.

He wont undermine moyes in his role- but he will be involved in players coming in and maybe explaining a bit about his pet love- squad rotation!! he plans these things months in advance about who will play when!

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Post by Kenny on Thu May 09, 2013 2:42 am

The thing that worries me for who ever takes over is that it's not the same ownership now as to when Sir Alex started .

I see people think whoever will be given 3 - 5 years , but what happens if Utd finish 2nd 3rd or 4th for the next couple of seasons and don't win a cup ? after all the success will Champions league qualification be enough ?
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Post by Duty281 on Thu May 09, 2013 2:44 am

Just taken a visit to redcafe, the most popular Man United forum I believe. Amongst them, Moyes is 3rd choice, Klopp is 2nd, and Mourinho is the most desired.

http://www.redcafe.net/f6/your-preference-next-manager-370323/

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Post by VDT on Thu May 09, 2013 2:44 am

First Thatcher dies, then Ferguson retires.

Somewhere, there is a Scouser with a lamp and one wish left
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Post by mystiroakey on Thu May 09, 2013 2:46 am

Not suprised by that at all duty.

i honestly think moyes is coming in due to the fact that fergie will be able to step in and give advice sometimes. the other two managers wouldnt want him anywhere near him as they have two much pride..

anyway its tuff isnt it. because moyes has the job!

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Post by mystiroakey on Thu May 09, 2013 2:49 am

VDT good one but the 3rd wish is granted.,

Everton lose there manager!


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Post by Crimey on Thu May 09, 2013 2:49 am

Duty281 wrote:Doesn't 'Arry Redknapp have a superior CV to Moyes, and greater experience in the Champions League as a manager? #redknappforunited Whistle

On a game of Football Manager 2010, Fergie retired after a year, Redknapp took over and retired after a year. Could fantasy become reality? idea

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Post by MtotheC on Thu May 09, 2013 2:52 am

VDT wrote:First Thatcher dies, then Ferguson retires.

Somewhere, there is a Scouser with a lamp and one wish left

Laugh

That's going to be my Facebook status!

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Post by Ent on Thu May 09, 2013 2:53 am

Kenny wrote:The thing that worries me for who ever takes over is that it's not the same ownership now as to when Sir Alex started .

I see people think whoever will be given 3 - 5 years , but what happens if Utd finish 2nd 3rd or 4th for the next couple of seasons and don't win a cup ? after all the success will Champions league qualification be enough ?

Providing there are signs of progress, if the club is dropping slowly, not playing well and the squad is diminishing in quality he would go.

All depends on circumstances.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Thu May 09, 2013 3:03 am

VDT wrote:First Thatcher dies, then Ferguson retires.

Somewhere, there is a Scouser with a lamp and one wish left

And a wife who thinks her new shell suit is the reason their sex life has suddenly improved

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Post by RinoGattuso on Thu May 09, 2013 3:24 am

Give the job to Giggs & Scholes.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Thu May 09, 2013 4:20 am

First Maggie Thatcher dying and now Fergie retiring????

Theres a scouser with a brass lamp somewhere with 1 wish left.

I like that 1.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Thu May 09, 2013 4:27 am

Just want to add a personal tribute as MUFC fan.

SAF has been in charge since I started supporting United in the 80's. I can't remember much back then but remember the likes of Hughes, Mclair, Wallace, Parker, Robson, and many more. Great memories of going to school and defending my team when I was surrounded by glory hunting Liverpool fans and Arsnal fans.

Over the years I have been lucky to witness my team win everything to be won and I mean lucky some supporters will never see their team win anything in their lifetime and I am no glory hunter.

Thanks SAF and all the best but I have a feeling that if the new manager does not produce then Fergie will again take over.

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Post by The Special Juan on Thu May 09, 2013 4:47 am

Nice tribute Smile The Guardian have a good one up too.

I don't think it will really hit me until either Sunday when he makes a speech or the first match of the season.
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Post by compelling and rich on Thu May 09, 2013 4:49 am

not really interested in moyes, he hasn't won anything in his career, never managed a club the size of united, doubt his personality is going to attract any super stars (anybody see ronaldo coming back to united while he's in charge), no European pedigree. just think its united board thinking moyes is like Ferguson (scottish, hard working etc etc) lets hire him when really were never going to get a manger like fergie ever again.

if he's hired i will back him and support him, im fairly rational and understand that this team isnt the best we've had, more fergie getting the best out of an average squad (swap united and citys managers around and who would have won the league this season??) but will other fans see it as such?? as soon as we hit any rocky patch moyes doesn't have the cv to back him up and all the above questions will get aired by a large majority of fans who have been used to being so successful. at least mourinho had the cv and attitude to take the job on, if not ex united player like ole would get more time and backing if we go through a poor patch (he's also won more than moyes already!!!)

the one good thing is that moyes might get the ridiculously over paid average rooney out of the club!

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Post by compelling and rich on Thu May 09, 2013 4:51 am

Kenny wrote:The thing that worries me for who ever takes over is that it's not the same ownership now as to when Sir Alex started .

I see people think whoever will be given 3 - 5 years , but what happens if Utd finish 2nd 3rd or 4th for the next couple of seasons and don't win a cup ? after all the success will Champions league qualification be enough ?

no, any half decent manager with the backing of united resources and squad should challenge for the title, anything less and they are not good enough for the role.


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