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Post by Crimey on Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:52 pm

First topic message reminder :

Transfer ins:
Kolo Toure (free transfer from Manchester City)

Transfers out:
Danny Wilson (free to Hearts)
Jamie Carragher (free to Sky)
Peter Gulacsi (free to Salzburg)


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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:41 pm

I admire the attitude of the board at the minute towards the likes of Reina and Suarez. "Not happy at the club? fair enough, let's look at getting a replacement."

They don't look to be going down the same route Utd did with Rooney by pandering to him and whilst I'll be immensely disappointed if Suarez goes, you have to say that the Club look to be building a squad based around the fact that he'll go at some point anyway.

I suppose the only issue is, what if Suarez comes back home (which I'm sure he'd due to do soon given Uruguay's exit from the Confederations Cup) and decides he's simply had a bad few weeks and things are so bad after all? Can the club afford all the players that they have because whilst there's a fair few coming in, there don't seem to be that many going in the other direction.

Heard rumours of Shelvey going to Norwich and also that Allen, Coates and Downing will be offloaded if there's any interest but there doesn't seem to be anything concrete re those.

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Post by Kenny on Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:15 pm

Shelvey maybe going to Swansea ? Coates again i can see leaving especially if another CB comes in , Downing i would imagine would be allowed to leave if anyone comes in for him .

I would imagine that the players brought in wouldn't be on high wages ( with maybe the exception of Toure given his free transfer ) Fenway using that Moneyball policy replacing high earners with a squad of lower earners
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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:25 pm

Kenny wrote:Fenway using that Moneyball policy replacing high earners with a squad of lower earners

Oh dear, that policy takes you in one direction. I must admit Liverpool's signings, in my opinion, have been completely underwhelming. Is this the main side, I'm just guessing here?

- - - - - - -Sturridge - - - - - -


Coutinho - - - - - - - - Luis Alberto


- -Gerrard - -Lucas - Allen - - - - -


Enrique - -Toure - Agger - -Johnson

- - - - - - -Mignolet - - - - - - - - -

Aspas/Henderson/Downing/Borini/Assaidi etc. Not a great looking side, no way competing for fourth.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:07 pm

Would imagine Aspas would start, and Henderson ahead of Allen, no way should Toure be anywhere near that starting XI
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Post by Kenny on Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:26 pm

think there will be at least 3 more signings more if/when Suarez goes
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Mkhitaryan deal to be completed in 72 hours pending medical. Haven't seen a lot of him, but exciting none the less.

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Post by Kenny on Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:23 pm

Can't see us selling Suarez to Arsenal , if the English press are whats hounding him out then i can't see him wanting to go their either .

Bayern Munich ? could we ask for Gomez part ex ?
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Post by Holymiky on Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:28 pm

Kenny wrote:Can't see us selling Suarez to Arsenal , if the English press are whats hounding him out then i can't see him wanting to go their either .

Bayern Munich ? could we ask for Gomez part ex ?

I saw today that a fee had been agreed for Gomez with Florentina and Bayern Munich mate.

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Post by Kenny on Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:30 pm

Holymiky wrote:
Kenny wrote:Can't see us selling Suarez to Arsenal , if the English press are whats hounding him out then i can't see him wanting to go their either .

Bayern Munich ? could we ask for Gomez part ex ?

I saw today that a fee had been agreed for Gomez with Florentina and Bayern Munich mate.

Straight cash is good as well Smile 
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Post by Crimey on Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:22 am

Suso has gone to Almeria on loan for a season, don't think he's ever going to make it to be honest. He looks a decent little player, but is perhaps a little lightweight for the Premier League and Coutinho is a very similar player and only a year or two older.

Think if Rodgers was serious about developing Suso for the first team he should have been loaned to a Premier League side, no point him getting used to La Liga if we want to use him.

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Post by Crimey on Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:23 am

Tell you what else annoys me, Luis Alberto with the number 6 shirt, he's a forward, he should not be number 6. Annoyed me when Baros was 5 and Dempsey and Kone number 2 as well. 18 was available?

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Post by Crimey on Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:56 pm

2-0 to Liverpool at half time against Preston North End, Coutinho pen and Ibe have scored.

Can't work out what the formation is but Mignolet and Toure both started. So did players like Assaidi and Spearing. Flanagan is back from injury as well.

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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:54 pm

The Preston friendly is being repeated on ESPN right now if anyone's interested.

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Post by Crimey on Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:02 pm

Aspas, Ibe and Sterling all looked decent. Showed that we probably need some reinforcements in central midfield.

Gerrard
Henderson
Lucas
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Coutinho

is not enough.

Alonso is available....? Cool 

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Post by Kenny on Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:31 pm

i would love to see Alonso back at Liverpool , if Real do come in for Suarez then i would take £35 million plus Alonso every day of the week
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Post by Kenny on Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:11 pm

The Suarez situation needs sorting out one way or the other soon . We need to put a deadline on this then move on
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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:06 pm

Kenny wrote:The Suarez situation needs sorting out one way or the other soon . We need to put a deadline on this then move on

Yeah it's already doing my head in.

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Post by Kenny on Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:59 pm

There is no point in Ian Ayre coming out and saying " It is never been our intention to sell Luis Suarez " if in the closing weeks of the window we then do sell him leaving us no time to bring anyone in .

Ayre needs to come out and issue a statement along the lines of ..... after say July 31st Suarez definately will not be sold
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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:00 am

I'd take the 40 million, stop playing hardball and get him off the wage bill otherwise you are going to to take a further hit on the player 6/12 months down the line.

Why make an unhappy player stay put when you know that his value will drop in the next transfer window?

I'll be stunned if he's still at Anfield come September.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:01 am

Would you sell him to Arsenal Freek then?

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:11 am

Olly wrote:Would you sell him to Arsenal Freek then?


Yes.

I don't buy into all this "we are strengthening our rivals" crap. We haven't rivalled Arsenal since before you were born Olly and selling them one player isn't going to change things a whole lot, in my opinion.

A 17 million quid profit on a player that you brought 2 and a half years ago is good business in a sport that is more or a business than it is a sport. So what if Luis Suarez leaves the club and goes to Arsenal.

He wants to go so let him. How many players in this day and age do you make a hefty profit from?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:14 am

You'd be mental, absolutely mental to sell to Arsenal.

Liverpool's ultimate goal is to get back into the Top 4 is it not?

Arsenal currently hold that 4th position.

Why on earth would you make that 4th position get further away, by making your team weaker, and their team stronger.

No matter what profit you get on him
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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:20 am

Olly wrote:You'd be mental, absolutely mental to sell to Arsenal.

Liverpool's ultimate goal is to get back into the Top 4 is it not?

Arsenal currently hold that 4th position.

Why on earth would you make that 4th position get further away, by making your team weaker, and their team stronger.

No matter what profit you get on him

And they will maintain that fourth place with or without Suarez as will Liverpool finish outside the top 4 with or without Suarez.

The only difference (if Suarez does roll up at the Emirates) is that they'll have to deal the suspensions and petulance instead of us.

Good luck to them with that.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:26 am

They'd also get a world class player...

And who knows, Wenger might be able to deal with Suarez...
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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:29 am

Olly wrote:They'd also get a world class player...

And who knows, Wenger might be able to deal with Suarez...

Ah yeah that world renowned disciplinarian Arsene Wenger!

Ipswich might go unbeaten this season....

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:30 am

Never say never...

I have no problem with Liverpool selling Suarez, no point keeping him around if he wants to leave.

However selling him to Arsenal would be a mistake of epic proportions
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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:43 am

If Arsenal are the only takers then so be it.

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Post by Kenny on Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:51 am

FSG deny they are willing to sell the club .

Yet another thing to unstable the club
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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:58 pm

Rodgers has one season to get it right or he's a goner. FSG were adult enough to admit they made a balls-up re a replacement for Carroll last season and accept that this was instrumental in the team not even making the Europa League. However, this season they've set out their stall by making funds available for players and I believe they'll be telling BR that he has no excuse for failure this time.

Re Suarez, as much as I'd like him to stay, I feel he's already got one foot out the door. However, I'd like to think that given the support he's received from the club he'd at the very least give it until at least January and, if LFC aren't in the top four/five, he may be justified in asking again about a transfer

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Post by TheCultOfPersonality on Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:51 pm

Pretty successful pre season tour of Asia there for Liverpool.

Countinho is unbelivable and will shine this season.

Good progress between Ibe and Sterling, who's first choice?

And I reckon Agger is going to be the new Vice Captain.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:43 pm

Agree with comment's re PC, the kid is class...how long before someone offers £40,000,001.50 for him?

Aspas's touch for his goal was lovely stuff too.

Agger is good choice for VC, failing that Lucas or even Johnson.

Despite scoring more goals without Suarez for the last few games of last season I'd still much rather have him in the team than not but the team is looking good and if they can continue where they left off last season, we have a very good chance to finally make that break into CL contention.

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Post by Crimey on Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:22 pm

I think Agger got something like 65% of the fans choice when they did an official poll to be the vice-captain and he's had the armband quite a bit over pre-season so he's looking likely. Would have been Reina had he not been pushed out I'd have thought.

Coutinho looks excellent and I do worry that if we don't get Champions League this year, we're going to have the same problem as we have with Suarez next year.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:17 pm

I think I'd prefer it if Suarez came out and said he wanted to leave because he wanted to play Champions League Football and wasn't bothered where he got it. If he goes to Arsenal it makes a mockery of this "The English Press are hounding me" excuse. However, he's naive in the extreme if he thinks the press have any more ethics abroad than anywhere else. Suarez is always going to be a target wherever he goes.

Anyway, after the Torres debacle I've decided not to invest any real emotional effort into the whole transfer thing. I'm a big fan of Reina...he's gone and my attitude is now "Mehh!" If Suarez goes I'll be disappointed but all it means is that I have to teach my daughter another song to sing on match day.

BTW, anyone heard any songs to welcome the new boys to the club?

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Post by TheCultOfPersonality on Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:20 pm

Can definately see a team like Real Madrid chasing Countinho, and I think he will go if we don't get into the champions league next year.

The team certainly looks good and Sturridge isn't even back yet, will he be fit for the opener against Stoke? I think a front three of Sturridge, Suarez and Aspas could be excellent with PC, Gerrard and Lucas in midfield.

I too was always a big fan of Reina, seems a good funny guy and more importantly a leader. However we have Mignolet now whos settled in well. When torres left, I was bitterly dissapointed, don't know how I would feel if Suarez went to another english team...

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Post by Crimey on Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:22 pm

The thing that made the Torres deal that bit easier to deal with was that we got £50 million for him and I think it was quite clear from those of us that watched him every week that he simply wasn't the same player. Suarez is at the top of his game, the only world class player at the club really and I think £40 million is only his value, so we wouldn't be getting more than he's worth.

I hope Mignolet does well, but I'm not convinced signing him for £9 million and loaning out Reina was good business.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:38 pm

The thing that made to Torres thing easier (and this won't reflect well on me) is that he was absolute gash for Chelsea and couldn't hit a cow's ar$e with a spade. Watching him spurn a chance to score against Liverpool within five minutes of his first game for his new club and then watching Agger crack him in the jaw still makes me smile.

As for the value of Suarez, if Gareth Bale is reportedly worth £85 million+ then £40 million for Suarez is, to be frank, a bloody insult.

However, I'm sure Henry and Werner are accutely aware of how much Luis is worth to the club (I'm sure his shirt sales etc bring in a tidy sum) and if Suarez does go, it's to be hoped that people don't start lambasting Rodgers as it the likes of Henry, Werner and Ayre who will have the final say on this.

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Post by TheCultOfPersonality on Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:48 pm

Yeah I don't like the loan deal either, would have prefered a permanent move for him. There was speculation of him to Barcelona, I think that would have been perfect for Pepe but it seemed not to be.

Suarez is certainly worth more than £40m. I mean if his uruguyan conrad, Edison Canvani is worth 50+ million, than Suarez is worth at least 60m as I think Cavani is vastly overated. I do like how Liverpool are putting there stance on the matter by assuring Suarez is not for sale, however we need to hear this from Suarez too.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:57 pm

I agree, Suarez's reluctance to say anything one way or another is frustrating but given the way things have developed since he casually said "Ooh, wouldn't it be nice to play for Real Madrid one day?" I don't blame him for opening his gob again.

As I said a while back, whilst Suarez is probably always going to be on the press' radar, if he keeps quiet, knuckles down and just plays football, there will be some other hapless victim taking the limelight.

John Terry is likely to do/say something incredibly crass, Nile Ranger seems to be pushing his way to the front of the "This way for ridicule" line and no doubt Wayne Rooney will comb his hair in a slightly different direction thus affording the press several months of speculation as to whether or not he needs/has had another transplant

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Post by Duty281 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:42 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-23510657

Political correctness strikes Liverpool Football Club. You're now not allowed to say: "don't be a woman", "play like a girl" and "that's gay"

What has this country become. Laugh 

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Its hilarious yet so ridiculous. I doubt anyone will be following to these rules.

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Post by TheCultOfPersonality on Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:27 pm

Jack Robinson has gone out on loan to Blackpool. Does this mean we are getting a left back, Enrinque is the only proper left back we have with the likes of Johnson and Wisdom playing their occasionally.

We've been linked with a few left backs, most notably the one from Benfica I think.

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Post by Crimey on Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:36 pm

Yeah heard a loan deal for the Benfica left back was all but done, so that's cover for Enrique sorted.

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:39 am

TheCultOfPersonality wrote:Its hilarious yet so ridiculous. I doubt anyone will be following to these rules.
Did you see the article about how the Warrior website is encouraging people to "Man up and sign up" and how last season Rodgers claimed that players who were moaning about training niggles etc should also "Man up"?

Whoops!

Anyway, nice idea in theory but wholly unenforcable. Imagine the uproar when someone is given a three year ban for telling Ashley Young to "stop rolling around on the floor like a big jessie"

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:23 pm

Skrtel is off to Napoli apparantly?

If so why?

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Post by CFCNick on Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:24 pm

Because Napoli only deal in facts.

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Post by Crimey on Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:52 pm

Because Rodgers thinks Toure is good enough for the first team... picard 

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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:47 pm

Crimey wrote:Because Rodgers thinks Toure is good enough for the first team... picard 

This frightens the life out of me.

He's a good 3 years past his best.

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Post by Crimey on Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:50 pm

I was quite happy with the signing as I thought he'd be excellent cover, if Rodgers seriously thinks he's a better option than Skrtel then he's not got a clue.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:53 pm

So you could potentially be going from this;

Reina
Agger-Skrtel

to this;

Mignolet
Agger-Toure

At the heart of your defence.

I know which one I'd rather have...
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Post by Crimey on Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:58 pm

Exactly.

And while we're busy offloading past key players of the squad, players like Spearing, Downing, Coates are still at the clubs despite lots of question marks over their future.

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