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Cian Healey Update

Post by RubyGuby on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 3:57 pm


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The Lions will decide within the next 48 hours whether to summon a replacement prop for Cian Healy, who suffered suspected ankle ligament damage in today’s 69-17 win over Western Force.


Although an X-ray confirmed the Ireland loose-head did not suffer a break, Warren Gatland is sufficiently concerned to consider a replacement.

England’s Alex Corbisiero, who can play on both sides of the scrum, and Ryan Grant, impressive for Scotland during the Six Nations, will be the front-runners to come in if needed.

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Post by sickofwendy on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 4:00 pm

Worrying news considering Jenkins is struggling for fitness.

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Post by bsando on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 4:03 pm

I think they should call up a replacement anyway, would be the safest option and it would take the pressure off immediately.
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Re: Cian Healey Update

Post by bluestonevedder on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 4:49 pm

I would usually champion Corbisiero for this spot as a replacement, although I think he could really do with the Argentina tour to regain some of his match fitness. Against the CONSUR XV he came on as a sub and got sin bined for a scrummaging infringement. I think his scrummaging is up there with the best in the NH, so it was an odd thing to see. Based on that, and his superb form in the Six Nations, I'd go for Grant as the replacement. Harsh on Corbs, but luck hasn't been on his side.

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Post by tigertattie on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:00 pm

call me cynical but Grant has to be considered over Corbs due to the fact he has played, and played well in the last 6 months.

Grant had a good display for Scotland in the 6N's and had great performamces for Glasgow in the run in of the league. Including a game with a brace of tries.

IMO Grant should have been given the call ahead of the likes of Matt Stevens and if he misses out to Corbs whose fitness and form could be questionable due to lack of games through injury then it will be the same as Gatland choosing Lydiate over Brown/Robshaw et al and will again cause questions into Gatlands choices of personel
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Post by red_stag on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:01 pm

tigertattie wrote:call me cynical but Grant has to be considered over Corbs due to the fact he has played, and played well in the last 6 months.

Grant had a good display for Scotland in the 6N's and had great performamces for Glasgow in the run in of the league. Including a game with a brace of tries.

IMO Grant should have been given the call ahead of the likes of Matt Stevens and if he misses out to Corbs whose fitness and form could be questionable due to lack of games through injury then it will be the same as Gatland choosing Lydiate over Brown/Robshaw et al and will again cause questions into Gatlands choices of personel

Grant plays in a different position to Matt Stevens.
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Post by fa0019 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:11 pm

true stag... Grant is a genuine prop... Matt Steven's is a waterboy.

How that guy has toured with the lions twice and played in a RWC final is beyond me.

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Post by wales606 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:13 pm

Grant has had a good season

Paul James has to be considered - especially with his partnership with Hibbard and Adam
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Post by thebluesmancometh on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:15 pm

Grant is a good call, and has to be near next in line but James is a better scrummager (one of the best scrummaging LH's in europe) and can cover the TH better than Stevens!

I wouldn't bat an eye lid at Grant or James being called up however, but Corbisiero would be the risky option!

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Post by fa0019 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:17 pm

probably right Bluesman... Corbisiero would have gone had he been fit and had a full season in him... he was quite impressive last year.

Too risky now though. What the lions need is a sure thing if Healy cannot continue.

However does the replacement need to be a prop? Gatland may think that he's well covered with 5 existing props already on tour and could use this opportunity to shore up another position.

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Post by bluestonevedder on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:21 pm

wales606 wrote:Grant has had a good season

Paul James has to be considered - especially with his partnership with Hibbard and Adam

Paul James!! I knew there was someone I'd forgotten. Straight shoot out between James and Grant for me. Like someone above said, Corbs would be the risky option.

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Re: Cian Healey Update

Post by thebluesmancometh on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:24 pm

I whole heartedly agree Corbisiero wouldve been there if fit, we wouldve had an immense LH 3 had he gone (although Vunipolas carrying has been good)

If Healy needs replacing it has to be a prop, no point taking risks with only 2 LH's this early on, but we definately need a 10 out there!!!

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Re: Cian Healey Update

Post by fa0019 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:29 pm

Stevens can play the waterboy LH.... I think a replacement 10 would be very useful.

A little unwise to pick Sexton and Farrell in the test 23 (which they will be) and then one of them has to play on the wednesday because there is no one else.
There is another midweek match inbetween the tests too.

What happens if Hogg is also in the test 23????

and thats just a midweek starter question not even a midweek bench cover. Who else Roberts!!! Shocked

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Post by thebluesmancometh on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:34 pm

1/2p might be in the 23 also midweek Shocked

We can't afford to use Sexton/Farell/Hogg and 1/2p 4 times in 10days!!!

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Re: Cian Healey Update

Post by t1000advancedprototype on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:35 pm

wales606 wrote:Grant has had a good season

Paul James has to be considered - especially with his partnership with Hibbard and Adam

Don't say Paul James or bluesmancometh will call you a low life!

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Re: Cian Healey Update

Post by thebluesmancometh on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:36 pm

t1000advancedprototype wrote:
wales606 wrote:Grant has had a good season

Paul James has to be considered - especially with his partnership with Hibbard and Adam

Don't say Paul James or bluesmancometh will call you a low life!

But then he wasn't celebrating Healy's injury seconds after hitting the deck and while the medical team worked on him you lowlife!

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Re: Cian Healey Update

Post by Cari on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:40 pm

Awh schitt. Really sorry to hear about Healy's injury. I was hoping that things sounded* worse than they were.

Hope he makes a full recovery really soon.

*I haven't watched any highlights really (only the tries shown on the lunchtime news) and didn't see the game - was working.

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Post by king_carlos on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:41 pm

Paul James, Sheridan, Grant, Corbisiero - there are a few good options but Healy would be a big blow as I felt he was a cut above the rest at current. His carrying game is brilliant, a real wrecking ball.

Grant or Sheridan would be my first choices from the above options.

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Re: Cian Healey Update

Post by t1000advancedprototype on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:48 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:
t1000advancedprototype wrote:
wales606 wrote:Grant has had a good season

Paul James has to be considered - especially with his partnership with Hibbard and Adam

Don't say Paul James or bluesmancometh will call you a low life!

But then he wasn't celebrating Healy's injury seconds after hitting the deck and while the medical team worked on him you lowlife!

You twist things to your advantage don't you?

When did I "celebrate"?
Please remind me what I said?
Explain how you interpret what I said as celebrating.

You are delusional.

The injury looked serious. The pundits said it looked serious. I suggested Paul James may get a call up. That was it.

You're such a big man insulting strangers on an internet forum. Especially when it's uncalled for.

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Re: Cian Healey Update

Post by LondonTiger on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:52 pm

T1000,

You did post as soon as Healy hit the ground, based on your past posting record it may have been wiser to at least wait a little. Blues has over-reacted however.

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Re: Cian Healey Update

Post by thebluesmancometh on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:54 pm

LondonTiger wrote:T1000,

You did post as soon as Healy hit the ground, based on your past posting record it may have been wiser to at least wait a little. Blues has over-reacted however.

I certainly havn't, posting 'Paul James call up?' after Healy was on the floor for mere seconds is plain stupidity, I dislike this guys style of posting, I don't beleive he's even Welsh, and I am embarassed by him as a Welsh national myself OK

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Post by t1000advancedprototype on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:56 pm

LondonTiger wrote:T1000,

You did post as soon as Healy hit the ground, based on your past posting record it may have been wiser to at least wait a little. Blues has over-reacted however.

The timing of the post is irrelevant. We were all commenting live as the game progressed.

I wish him well (especially if injury is tour threatening).
Healey is better than Paul James I wouldn't want him to miss the remainder of the tour.

Can't even believe I'm explaining myself it's ludicrous.

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Re: Cian Healey Update

Post by Thomond on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 5:58 pm

You can't tell anything conclusive from this image, but this is around the time the bite occured, another angle would be needed to confirm it.

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Post by RubyGuby on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:00 pm

t1000 was voicing what many others were thinking, there was no malice in it, it was a natural reaction and he did not write to offend. Too much PC shix you lot are thinking these days. Good luck to Healey in his recovery he will be a great loss if he doesn't recover. thumbsup

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Re: Cian Healey Update

Post by t1000advancedprototype on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:00 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:T1000,

You did post as soon as Healy hit the ground, based on your past posting record it may have been wiser to at least wait a little. Blues has over-reacted however.

I certainly havn't, posting 'Paul James call up?' after Healy was on the floor for mere seconds is plain stupidity, I dislike this guys style of posting, I don't beleive he's even Welsh, and I am embarassed by him as a Welsh national myself OK

Oh if only you knew!!!

You're like a big stroppy kid throwing his toys out. If you dislike my posting style just be the better man and ignore what I say instead of following me around scrutinising me. Time to grow up.

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Re: Cian Healey Update

Post by Knackeredknees on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:04 pm

cited!!
yet in the match report the TMO said it was nothing worth noting!

Looks like the OZ judging panel will be polishing there gavels and donning the black caps

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Post by belovedfrosties on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:15 pm

Agree with a lot of whats been said about Corbs, fit and on form he's the best scrummager and fetching prop we have. Unfortunately he is not fit and on form, I'm happy for either James or Grant to come out, be a bit of a surprise if sheridan was called out imo.

Healy is a loss, but if Vunipola can continue his form then it really won't matter! Probably the best prop display i've ever seen, admittedly the opposition wasn't up to much!

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:18 pm

Either Grant or Sheridan to come in for me if needed. Fingers crossed for Healy though. Fingers Crossed

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Post by Knackeredknees on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:22 pm

The Ozzie panels have a history of over the top judgements for non events if it helps them out.

Ben Cohen was baned for a spear tackle when all he did was hit the bloke hard in the tackle and it knocked his feet from under him

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:37 pm

Corbisiero called up as cover according to the BBC.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:44 pm

Feel massively sorry for Ryan Grant - he actually couldn't have done anymore to warrant his selection. He's fit and on form

Can't help but think corbs is benefiting from having the England scrum coach with the lions, and Scotland players will be overlooked due to a lack of Scottish presence in the coaching team

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Post by GLove39 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:45 pm

Duty281 wrote:Corbisiero called up as cover according to the BBC.

Confirmed by Lions twitter account.
When you think about it, his call up makes sense given how well he played in the 6 Nations & the regular shifts he's been putting in for London Irish... Doh

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Post by The Saint on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:47 pm

Would have went for Grant and then James over Corbs. Bad call.

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Post by wales606 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:53 pm

Hmmm, not so happy with Corbs - he hasn't played and been on form for a fair while

I would have been much happier to see Grant or James called up.

Ah well, hopefully he won't be needed if Gethin and Vunipola stay fit.
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Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:54 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Feel massively sorry for Ryan Grant - he actually couldn't have done anymore to warrant his selection. He's fit and on form

Can't help but think corbs is benefiting from having the England scrum coach with the lions, and Scotland players will be overlooked due to a lack of Scottish presence in the coaching team

that should have nothing to do with it. Scottish players are getting the shaft despite playing well. Grant has been superb all season long.
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Post by offload on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:57 pm

Duty281 wrote:Corbisiero called up as cover according to the BBC.

Well that's a very high risk call. Corbisiero is real class but can't possibly be match fit. I think most of us would have had him in the original squad had he not been injured. Grant, and James had strong 6N's too.

IMO Gatland makes too many iffy decisions (Best, Stevens, Lydiate, choice of captain) and one of them might catch him out. Hope not of course - and I hope Corbisiero goes well.
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Post by RDW_Scotland on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:57 pm

It should have nothing to do with it, but seems to be the deciding factor!

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Post by GLove39 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:58 pm

Corbs (if this Daily Fail article is to be believed http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2335429/Alex-Corbisiero-prepares-relaunch-England-career-Argentina.html) has played a measly 3 games for London Irish this year!!!!!! What the actual duck...

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 6:59 pm

The Lions selectors never make any sense - they did originally pick Hartley over Best after all!

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Post by wales606 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 7:01 pm

No doubt this is Rowntree's influence - just as I suspect the exclusion of Best was

All the front row players have been from England and Wales - the countries the coaches are used to working with, with the exception of Healy who was impossible to leave out.
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Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 7:01 pm

Glad Grant is staying with Scotland in our SA tournament. Gatland clearly doesn't rate him, that's the Lions loss sadly but Scotland's gain.
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Post by 123456789 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 7:02 pm

Gatland is clearly in favour of Scottish independence

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Re: Cian Healey Update

Post by thebluesmancometh on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 7:05 pm

Has Corbs actually been called up?

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 7:06 pm

Pretty gutted for Healy. Missed the game today, terrible news to hear of his injury.

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Post by 100%beefy on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 7:07 pm

It's a huge call.

Right now i think we are leaning towards a Gethin Hibbard Jones front row

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 7:09 pm

Hasn't Vunipola been outstanding? He was very good in the BaaBaas game and apparently very good today. Why Gethin?

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Re: Cian Healey Update

Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 7:11 pm


Ryan Grant robbed again by FatLand

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Post by GLove39 on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 7:12 pm

Anyone for a packet of 'rowntree's randoms'..!

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Post by thebluesmancometh on Wed 05 Jun 2013, 7:14 pm

Not sure Grant has been 'robbed' it is very early for him in his debut season remember.

It's a risky call though Corbs, Jenkins isn't fit and we havn't seen him yet, I wouldve plumped for the far safer option of James, Corbs and Grant wouldve been luxuries that wouldve been nice IMO

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