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Post by Cogen on Mon 24 Jun 2013, 3:26 pm

It's Wimbledon, baby! Cool

Live
Rank
Orig
Rank
Player
Orig
Points
Drop
Points
Gain
Points
Live
Points
Live
Movement
Current Status
Next Opponent
1
1
N. Djokovic [SRB]
11830
720
1200
12310
Eliminated - Final
2
2
A. Murray [GBR]
8560
1200
2000
9360
Champion
3
4
D. Ferrer [ESP]
7220
360
360
7220
Up 1
Eliminated - QF
4
5
R. Nadal [ESP]
6895
45
10
6860
Up 1
Eliminated - R128
5
3
R. Federer [SUI]
7740
2000
45
5785
Down 2
Eliminated - R64
6
6
T. Berdych [CZE]
4515
10
360
4865
Eliminated - QF
7
8
J. Del Potro [ARG]
3960
180
720
4500
Up 1
Eliminated - SF
8
7
J. Tsonga [FRA]
4155
720
45
3480
Down 1
Eliminated - R64
9
9
R. Gasquet [FRA]
3135
180
90
3045
Eliminated - R32
10
10
S. Wawrinka [SUI]
2915
10
10
2915
Eliminated - R128
11
13
T. Haas [GER]
2425
0
180
2605
Up 2
Eliminated - R16
12
11
K. Nishikori [JPN]
2495
90
90
2495
Down 1
Eliminated - R32
13
12
M. Cilic [CRO]
2470
180
45
2335
Down 1
Eliminated - R64
14
14
J. Tipsarevic [SRB]
2390
90
10
2310
Eliminated - R128
15
15
M. Raonic [CAN]
2225
45
45
2225
Eliminated - R64
16
16
N. Almagro [ESP]
2195
90
90
2195
Eliminated - R32
17
22
J. Janowicz [POL]
1549
115
720
2154
Up 5
Eliminated - SF
18
17
G. Simon [FRA]
2090
45
10
2055
Down 1
Eliminated - R128
19
21
J. Isner [USA]
1735
10
45
1770
Up 2
Eliminated - R64
20
20
J. Monaco [ARG]
1740
90
90
1740
Eliminated - R32
Selected Others:
21
19
S. Querrey [USA]
1810
90
10
1730
Down 2
Eliminated - R128
25
18
P. Kohlschreiber [GER]
1885
360
10
1535
Down 7
Eliminated - R128
35
54
F. Verdasco [ESP]
825
90
360
1095
Up 19
Eliminated - QF
64
130
L. Kubot [POL]
440
45
360
755
Up 66
Eliminated - QF


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Post by Cogen on Mon 24 Jun 2013, 3:28 pm

I see the formatting tools when creating posts have been changed slightly.

For some reason I'm now getting extra high rows on my table. Anyone have any idea how to fix?

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Post by _homogenised_ on Mon 24 Jun 2013, 3:30 pm

I use this one >

http://live-tennis.eu/

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Post by Cogen on Mon 24 Jun 2013, 3:43 pm

_homogenised_ wrote:I use this one >

http://live-tennis.eu/

As you are welcome to do. Wink

That is a very good site for showing a live version of the rankings, but it doesn't give any further analysis as to what might happen during the tournament, or a place to discuss it... which is the point of this thread. Very Happy

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Post by banbrotam on Mon 24 Jun 2013, 3:50 pm

I see homogenised ability to be a WUM shows no ends

If that post isn't worthy or renewal, I don't know what is

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Post by banbrotam on Mon 24 Jun 2013, 3:52 pm

As usual, good job Cogen. Interesting to see just what pressure Roger is under to retain 'merely' a Top 4 place

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Post by Cogen on Mon 24 Jun 2013, 4:02 pm

If any admins or moderators read this, I think there is a problem with the way the forum is interpreting the formatting code.

My French Open table is still formatted correctly at the moment. But if I go to "edit" and then "preview" without changing a single thing, the preview is all messed up with weird gaps, just like the table in this thread.

Help?! Is there anything you can do on the back end? Erm

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Post by Cogen on Tue 25 Jun 2013, 9:21 pm

A quick summary of the biggest points losses so far this tournament...

Florian Mayer and Phillip Kohlschreiber are both out after reaching the quarter finals last year. Kohlscreiber is currently down 4 places, and Mayer down roughly 16. Mayer is now likely to finish the fortnight outside the top 50.

Also losing plenty of points are Mardy Fish (poor guy), Dennis Istomin, and Xavier Malisse. They all reached the fourth round last year. Fish is down about 17 places, Istomin also roughly 17, and Malisse approximately 23 places!

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 25 Jun 2013, 9:26 pm

Cheers for that update Cogen. thumbsup
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Post by Henman Bill on Tue 25 Jun 2013, 9:49 pm

One more win for Ferrer and he should be no 3 (barring Federer winning the whole thing) then. Interesting as I believe his career high ranking is no 4. (Source Wikipedia and ATP).

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Post by JubbaIsle on Tue 25 Jun 2013, 11:09 pm

_homogenised_ wrote:I use this one >

http://live-tennis.eu/
Can't use that link, the webpage is contagious with 12 nasty scripts, 5 of which are personal data hunters. Slows the whole thing down and is annoying as hell.

Get NoScript if you use Firefox. Smile

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Post by zaron on Tue 25 Jun 2013, 11:30 pm

Henman Bill wrote:One more win for Ferrer and he should be no 3 (barring Federer winning the whole thing) then. Interesting as I believe his career high ranking is no 4. (Source Wikipedia and ATP).

It gets even more interesting in the run up to the USO. Ferrer has a shot at being no 2! And Federer will have his work cut out to remain in the top 4, if he doesn't drop out straight after Wimbledon.

These are the minimum points for the top 5 before the USO (but not including DC which is too complicated, and doesn't change things much).
Djokovic  9240  +45
Ferrer      6850  +45
Nadal      6860  +10
Murray    6430  +45
Federer   4290  +45

There are potentially up to 4000 points to be added (Wimbledon, Canada, Cinci), so apart from no 1, which shouldn't change, there is alot to play for.

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Post by Cogen on Wed 26 Jun 2013, 8:00 pm

Thanks to whoever fixed the forum Hug

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Post by banbrotam on Wed 26 Jun 2013, 8:21 pm

Roger is now out of the Top 4

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Post by Cogen on Wed 26 Jun 2013, 9:08 pm

Crazy happenings!

I normally only monitor the top 100 in the world, but we already have 4 players in the last 32 who are ranked outside the top 100. Kubot, Mannarino, Brown, and Stakhovsky. I'm going to have to take a look at them and see what sort of gains they might make.

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Post by Guest on Wed 26 Jun 2013, 9:09 pm

Ok quick question... can Berdych overtake Federer?

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed 26 Jun 2013, 9:11 pm

Cogen wrote:Crazy happenings!

I normally only monitor the top 100 in the world, but we already have 4 players in the last 32 who are ranked outside the top 100. Kubot, Mannarino, Brown, and Stakhovsky. I'm going to have to take a look at them and see what sort of gains they might make.

I, personally took a look at Brown's possible gains myself earlier, as far as I can work out (very roughly) he is currently 188 but his win today should fire him up around 40 places.
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Post by The Special Juan on Wed 26 Jun 2013, 9:12 pm

falzy21 wrote:Ok quick question... can Berdych overtake Federer?

Definitely if he wins the tournament, no idea about F, SF, QF etc.
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Post by Silver on Wed 26 Jun 2013, 9:13 pm

He can, but needs to win the tournament I think. The final would put him...80 points shy of Federer?

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Post by Cogen on Wed 26 Jun 2013, 9:20 pm

Yup, has to be a tournament win for Berdych. Unfortunately for Tomas he's in Nole's quarter, so it will be tough for him to get beyond the QF.

If he could get past Djoko though, then a final would be enough for him to pass Federer when the Olympic points drop off, and a semi-final would put him pretty darn close too.

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Post by Silver on Wed 26 Jun 2013, 9:32 pm

This is the point where lydian and I - along with anyone else who has tickets - begin to get concerned about Federer and the ATP race! Realistically though, he should still be fine to make the WTF.

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Post by banbrotam on Wed 26 Jun 2013, 9:39 pm

Silver wrote:This is the point where lydian and I - along with anyone else who has tickets - begin to get concerned about Federer and the ATP race! Realistically though, he should still be fine to make the WTF.

You do wonder about Roger's chances now though. I mean he look totaly lost at the end - no way did he see this coming or anyway he can 'spin' something positve from it

And his hardcourt form, wasn't particularly impressive earlier in the year, by his high standards

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Post by invisiblecoolers on Wed 26 Jun 2013, 10:01 pm

Thx Cogen n Zaron for the updates. thumbsup

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Post by Cogen on Thu 27 Jun 2013, 5:09 pm

Another seed falls in the form of Milos Raonic.

Such a bad loss... Raonic should be mullering everyone on grass with that serve.

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Post by The Special Juan on Thu 27 Jun 2013, 5:19 pm

Meh, he's a really, really, really, really ordinary player with a good serve. I think he's overweight too. A prime example of why a large increase in court speed is bad.

My prediction is Almagro or Janowicz to make a charge up the rankings. The draw's opened up for him.
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Post by Cogen on Fri 28 Jun 2013, 5:26 pm

The Special Juan wrote:My prediction is Almagro or Janowicz to make a charge up the rankings.  The draw's opened up for him.

Well, Melzer and Janowicz are the first men to make the 4th round, and they face each other next!

Janowicz is only up 1 place so far this week, but if he wins the match against Melzer he'll gain another 2 or 3 places (depending on whether Monaco wins his match).

After that it is quite a big gap, and Jerzy would only gain 1 more place if he reached the semi-final. If he could reach the final, though, that would poise him on the edge of the top 10.

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Post by HM Murdock on Fri 28 Jun 2013, 6:35 pm

Cogen, do you maintain these tables yourself? And if so, is there a purpose in doing so?

They look really good, it must take some time to create?

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Post by Cogen on Fri 28 Jun 2013, 7:19 pm

HM Murdoch wrote:Cogen, do you maintain these tables yourself? And if so, is there a purpose in doing so?

They look really good, it must take some time to create?

1) Yup, I do.

2) Consider it a hobby, I suppose! I love tennis, and I'm also a very logical, mathematical person, so rankings and statistics are the kind of thing which interest me! I like to share it with everyone else. Wink

3) The initial setup took a while to create, but now it is all easy as cake. I store all of the info on an excel spreadsheet. I just update the winners and losers each day, and then click a "Convert to forum code" button which runs a script I created. That stores the excel table in the clipboard, in a format which the forums understand, and I just paste it into my thread. Cool 

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Post by HM Murdock on Fri 28 Jun 2013, 7:50 pm

Nice one, Cogen!

I'd like to have that level of technical expertise but, if I did, I'd probably use it to rank the WTA on hotness or something equally crass. So probably for the best that I've never acquired that know-how!

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Post by Cogen on Mon 01 Jul 2013, 3:13 pm

Table updated! Sorry didn't touch it all weekend, was busy!

I've put everyone in the last 16 on the table, because there are some big gains in there!

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Post by dummy_half on Mon 01 Jul 2013, 4:09 pm

HM Murdoch wrote:Nice one, Cogen!

I'd like to have that level of technical expertise but, if I did, I'd probably use it to rank the WTA on hotness or something equally crass. So probably for the best that I've never acquired that know-how!

Much more difficult, as you'd have to have the embedded images as well.

BTW, I reckon on something like:

1 - Ana Ivanovic
2 - Julia Gorgeous Goerges
3 - Maria Kirilenko
4 - Daniella Hantuchova
5 - Sabine Lisicki

(MaSha probably only around the #10 position or so for me - don't really see what the fuss is about)

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Post by Cogen on Mon 01 Jul 2013, 4:35 pm

dummy_half wrote:(MaSha probably only around the #10 position or so for me - don't really see what the fuss is about)

mad boxing 

Haha... Each to their own I suppose! I've never really understood the whole Julia Görges thing.

For me, Sharapova and Ivanovic are a long way clear of everyone else. They are both stunning. But there are a lot of other good looking ladies too. As you mentioned Kirilenko, Hantuchova, Lisicki, are all good shouts... but what about Urszula Radwanska? I think she's pretty cute, and she hardly ever gets mentioned! Wink

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Post by dummy_half on Mon 01 Jul 2013, 4:42 pm

Cogen

I'll admit that in her on court get up JG doesn't always look THAT hot, but take a look at Google images of her in civvies and you'll understand...

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Post by ryan86 on Mon 01 Jul 2013, 8:02 pm

Sorry, misread table.


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Post by Henman Bill on Mon 01 Jul 2013, 8:08 pm

Sorry Cogen, don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but there is a glitch in the table.

Just near the top, just above Berdych...and you can see you have Roger Federer ranked at #5. I'm not sure how that could have happened, he is the GOAT after all, so he must be at least in the top #4. If you could fix that, cheers. Probably an error of some sort in your formula.

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Post by Cogen on Mon 01 Jul 2013, 8:09 pm

Henman Bill wrote:Sorry Cogen, don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but there is a glitch in the table.

Just near the top, just above Berdych...and you can see you have Roger Federer ranked at #5. I'm not sure how that could have happened, he is the GOAT after all, so he must be at least in the top #4. If you could fix that, cheers. Probably an error of some sort in your formula.

Laugh

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Post by Cogen on Mon 01 Jul 2013, 9:25 pm

The quarter finalists are locked in, so lets take a look at the potential gains for the remaining 8 players.

Name
Started At
>
Currently
>
Reach SF
Reach Final
Win Title
Djokovic
1
1
1
1
1
Murray
2
2
2
2
2
Ferrer
4
3
3
2
2
Berdych
6
6
6
6
5
Del Potro
8
7
7
6
6
Janowicz
22
18
17
11
9
Verdasco
54
35
27
18
11
Kubot
130
62
35
22
13

A green box indicates the player win improve their ranking by reaching this round. These numbers are maximum rankings, and may end up slightly lower if another active player also continues to win matches.

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Post by The Special Juan on Mon 01 Jul 2013, 9:37 pm

Again, great work. Daveed Ferrer, world number 2 folks Wink
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Post by Henman Bill on Mon 01 Jul 2013, 10:47 pm

cool table

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Post by ryan86 on Mon 01 Jul 2013, 11:08 pm

Kubot for World No.13!

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Post by R!skysports on Tue 02 Jul 2013, 4:28 pm

Can you imagine if Ferrer became world No 2

that would be a turn up for the books

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Post by Cogen on Wed 03 Jul 2013, 7:54 pm

Suddenly a lot less available movement now that we are down to the final 4.

The top 5 ranking spots are now all confirmed.

Del Potro could move up to #6 by beating Djokovic, but wouldn't gain any immediate further boost by winning the title. (He'd be just 5 points shy of Federer!)

Janowicz will finish the week ranked either #17, #11, or #9.

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Post by ryan86 on Wed 03 Jul 2013, 8:16 pm

With Federer likely to at least pick up some points on the clay, it sort of denies del Potro the chance if he won of going to Hamburg, bombing out after a single point, picking up 10 ranking points and hey presto, moving up a place Very Happy

I imagine that this is actually quite an important tournaments to Janowicz in terms of points and whilst they'll probably be a fall after Paris this year, it safeguards against it being a fall out the seedings etc.

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Post by Cogen on Wed 03 Jul 2013, 8:36 pm

ryan86 wrote:I imagine that this is actually quite an important tournaments to Janowicz in terms of points and whilst they'll probably be a fall after Paris this year, it safeguards against it being a fall out the seedings etc.

Yeah, as it stands 62% of Jerzy's total points come from just Paris and Wimbledon. Could really do with some other decent tournaments to spread his eggs across many baskets. I'm sure he will. Top 10 player sooner rather than later I'm thinking.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 04 Jul 2013, 8:48 am

Going by Verdasco's leap up the rankings it is quite possible he will be amongst the seeds for the US Open.
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Post by Cogen on Fri 05 Jul 2013, 10:42 pm

There we are then, top 2 in the final, and no further movement will occur this week.

The only question that remains is whether Murray will finish the tournament 320pts closer to Djokovic, or 1280pts further behind!

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Post by Born Slippy on Fri 05 Jul 2013, 10:44 pm

Astonishing that Murray could have two slam titles, a slam final, a Masters and Olympic title on his points total and still be 3,000 points adrift of Nole!

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Post by Henman Bill on Fri 05 Jul 2013, 11:02 pm

Yes, food for thought, if Murray wins the final he is holding 2 slams including arguably the most important, and the most recent, and the Olympics while Djokovic would only be holding 1 slam, and arguably the least important.

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Post by Henman Bill on Fri 05 Jul 2013, 11:05 pm

A Del Potro win today would have taken him above Berdych, he remains well clear of Tsonga though. This is also a big boost for Del Potro in the race to London.

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Post by ryan86 on Fri 05 Jul 2013, 11:13 pm

I guess Murray's problem is and will continue to be that he only appears to be able to get meaningful points from e2/3 of the season.

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