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Post by sodhat on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 9:25 am

Please register your interest should we press ahead and reboot the league.
 
This is also a good chance to air grievances with current rules and suggest new ones, as well as any innovations you have to make it better.
 
We may entirely ignore all suggestions, such is our wont.
 
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Nando (probably)
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Team Selection

  • Every team valued at 100m or below is available











  • Everybody bids for their preferred team











  • Maximum bid is 120m, Minimum 70m. Bids must also be at least TM value of the club











  • Any money left over from the 120m budget goes into your budget for a player draft












Results
Same as before

Voting
Same as before, however 1 good/bad point for each team required

TP Limit
Draft = no TP limit
Start of the league = £10m limit
Each week = £1m increase
End of season 1 = £19m TP limit (based on 10 teams, no cup weeks as we'd do that at the end)
End of season 2 = £28m

You could make it £12m > £21m > £30m if preferred?

This will change slightly depending on number of teams.

Injuries
AGREED AS 4 INJURIES PER WEEK

Do we want any form of transfers healing injuries?
NO

Whether to ditch U21 and nationality restrictions
AGREED TO DITCH BOTH

League structure - single league or not?
SINGLE LEAGUE

Cash loans (inc. implied in deals) being banned
NO CASH LOANS ALLOWED, ALL TRANSFERS MUST BE PAID UP FRONT

End of season loans when you have nothing to play for - how to stop these
NO LOANS ALLOWED EXCEPT EMERGENCY LOANS FOR GOALKEEPERS

Releases - same as before?
AGREED

Any squad limits?
22 MINIMUM, 30 MAXIMUM

Runner's Duties

Releases - Azzy
Injuries - Trebs
Posting tactics - Olly
Players within league - Afro
Results - sodhat
Lawyers - Trebs
Tables - sodhat
Fixtures/results list -Afro
Top scorers - Azzy
Premier League Prediction game - ZZZ



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Post by Marky on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 9:29 am

I'm in, with one rule change.

No blacks, Jews or women.

(Just following the FA/Football League/Premier League guidelines)

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Post by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 9:34 am

I would be in.

How would a reboot be done, draft players again??

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Post by Guest on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 9:41 am

I'm in.

Draft or teams? I'd prefer teams tbh, with budgets appropriate to their quality.
TM or realistic? I prefer TM.
Rule changes? Common sense to prevail this time.
Voting? I'd make everyone vote on all games.
Feedback? I'd ask everyone to give a general comment, then give 1 Good and 1 Bad comment, so we know what's working and what isn't.
League split? I'd have one league instead of two separate ones, this split is rubbish imo.
Cup? I'd do an end of season one.

Probably more thoughts later Smile

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 9:42 am

I'm in.

The only rule change I will suggest is less Sodhat
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Post by sodhat on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 9:44 am

Olly wrote:I'm in.

The only rule change I will suggest is less Sodhat

Motion seconded

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Post by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 9:50 am

Id opt for a draft teams.
More injuries & with longer injury lengths to put more emphasis on having a better squad rather than just a starting XI with one or two backup. Three injuries, max lengths 3 weeks, like what I suggested before. I would be happy to run that too.

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Post by Trebs on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 10:16 am

I think 100m starting budget, bid for teams based on total TM Value, and change is budget. £5m limit.
Also a rule that one lawyer must be accepted every week to encourage deals

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Post by Trebs on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 10:18 am

Also agree with zzz, more injuries to test squads more. Force players out of position, 3rd choice keeper etc

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Post by Bull on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 10:18 am

people make the teams and there shuffle them around so you fight to get the players you wanted!
- this dont mean i will be in for the reboot but i will get back to you if i want in.

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Post by Fernando on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 10:19 am

i cannot guarentee if im in or not would depends what changes are made really but in all likelyhood yes

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Post by Gregers on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 10:28 am

I'm in, only if it is a draft as that is what makes this league great

More nations, max two teams per nation

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Post by cherriesfna on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 10:33 am

I'm in

Keep the draft
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Post by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 10:34 am

more nation could be good.
Random pick them or something.

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Post by Marky on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 10:44 am

Keep the draft, but change the stipulations.

Not necessarily less money, keep the nationality rule but go for different countries or let everyone choose their own nationality? Then you must have 10 from that country in your squad and 3/4 in your XI.

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Post by sodhat on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 10:44 am

I propose a 1 quit rule.

I.e. if you quit the league, you may not return to manage another team.

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Post by Guest on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 10:51 am

If you're putting more countries in, then it's not really fair to make someone have 10 Portuguese in their squad, as you'd be held to ransom if someone else had one of the few decent Portuguese players.

What about this - no TM limit? So I could save up for Messi if I wanted.

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Post by Afro on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 10:52 am

I like Treb's idea of you getting a budget and you spend it on buying a real life team according to the total value on TM. Any budget left can then be spent on transfers.

So you can buy a £100m team and have to sell to buy, or a £45m team and have £55m transfer budget.
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Post by Afro on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 10:54 am

Azzy Mahmood wrote:If you're putting more countries in, then it's not really fair to make someone have 10 Portuguese in their squad, as you'd be held to ransom if someone else had one of the few decent Portuguese players.

What about this - no TM limit? So I could save up for Messi if I wanted.

If you do that, also try and less money in the league, so saving up for Messi would be possible, but would have a big effect on the rest of your squad. Especially if the number of injuries (or suspensions) increased.
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Post by Guest on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 10:55 am

Depends on how may TPs you get each week, and what the TM limit is. No point in having a £55m transfer budget if the TP limit is £8m and you only get 2 TPs each week.

The 1 quit rule is quite sound in principle soddy, but that severely limits your recruiting pool when vacancies come up. Unless you say '1 quit rule but if you want to come back in we take £5m off your budget' or something?

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Post by Marky on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 10:59 am

Azzy Mahmood wrote:If you're putting more countries in, then it's not really fair to make someone have 10 Portuguese in their squad, as you'd be held to ransom if someone else had one of the few decent Portuguese players.

Everyone would be choosing their own country, so no-one's fault but your own if you're stuck with 10 Portuguese players.

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Post by Fernando on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:00 am

i think 10 is too many from one country 6 was perfectly fine.

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Post by Afro on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:00 am

I would say that the strength of the league (until the last few weeks) is the participation. Tactics are normally always in and in 99% of the cases of good quality. Votes are normally in as well.

The weakness is in the feedback. Often it is not feedback but match commentary. It needs to be more this is good, this is what I think needs to be improved. Not necessarily going to a prescribed format, but almost along those lines
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Post by Afro on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:03 am

I think I would be tempted to do away with the nationality rule altogether. It proved really boring to keep track of from a runners perspective
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Post by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:06 am

Just a thought.
Having the TP Limit rise every two weeks makes players become disposable quickly, sell off players every two weeks to get better. Also with the higher values then only allowing a handful of players when the limit rises.

My suggestion would be have a bigger gap between limit increases & a bigger increase itself. So instead of £2m every 2 weeks do £4m every 4 weeks?

Afro wrote:So you can buy a £100m team and have to sell to buy, or a £45m team and have £55m transfer budget.
What would stop someone from buying Accrington Stanley & then making loads of pre season transfers?

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Post by Afro on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:06 am

And once the rules have been decided, get everyone to take a look and come up with issues.

That way, no one can moan when an inconsistency is spotted further down the line
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Post by Guest on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:07 am

Like I said, I'd ask everyone to give a general comment, then give 1 Good and 1 Bad comment, so we know what's working and what isn't. So something like

Afro's Wife Beaters 2-1 Sodhat's Strange Slippers
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AWB were too strong in midfield and their CBs covered SSS strikers easily. SSS had a solid back line but they were under pressure for most of the game.
AWB Good / Bad: Use of Robert Warzycha down the flank / asking Big Nev to jump for balls
SSS Good / Bad: Julian Dicks on free-kick duties / Kevin Keen man-marking Peter Beagrie

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Post by Guest on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:08 am

BigFellasAfro wrote:I think I would be tempted to do away with the nationality rule altogether. It proved really boring to keep track of from a runners perspective
I'd support that. As well as getting rid of the stupid U21s rule.

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Post by Afro on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:08 am

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:Just a thought.
Having the TP Limit rise every two weeks makes players become disposable quickly, sell off players every two weeks to get better. Also with the higher values then only allowing a handful of players when the limit rises.

My suggestion would be have a bigger gap between limit increases & a bigger increase itself. So instead of £2m every 2 weeks do £4m every 4 weeks?

Afro wrote:So you can buy a £100m team and have to sell to buy, or a £45m team and have £55m transfer budget.
What would stop someone from buying Accrington Stanley & then making loads of pre season transfers?

 Nothing. But would you be able to build a much stronger squad with the money than someone who has bought a team worth £100m.

In theory no because in both cases, you'd end up with £100m worth of players
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Post by Afro on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:10 am

Azzy Mahmood wrote:Like I said, I'd ask everyone to give a general comment, then give 1 Good and 1 Bad comment, so we know what's working and what isn't. So something like

Afro's Wife Beaters 2-1 Sodhat's Strange Slippers
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AWB were too strong in midfield and their CBs covered SSS strikers easily. SSS had a solid back line but they were under pressure for most of the game.
AWB Good / Bad: Use of Robert Warzycha down the flank / asking Big Nev to jump for balls
SSS Good / Bad: Julian Dicks on free-kick duties / Kevin Keen man-marking Peter Beagrie

Mmm. What is Bob the Poles TM value? Also Joe Parkinson, I used to flippin love him
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:11 am

To be honest I am not a fan of having squad rules (like nationality/U21 etc).
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Post by Guest on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:12 am

I see a reboot is currently gathering momentum...let's just agree it's happening and work through each and every suggestion until we're all happy League Reboot 3559488474

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Post by Afro on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:12 am

Get rid of both nationality and under 21s then and just have a rule that you must have 6 players in your starting XI who have the same first name Whistle
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Post by Marky on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:12 am

And finish the current season.

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Post by Fernando on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:13 am

Why are we doing this now if finishing the season we've done 3 fixtures and a fraudulent cup round

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Post by Afro on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:16 am

I think the problem is that managers have dropped out, some new managers are doing half hearted tactics, people voting has fallen away. It's just become a bit jaded.

There is that little effort going in, that the result at the end of the season is going to be a bit meaningless isn't it. It'll be full of default wins and results determined by only half the votes
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Post by Guest on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:18 am

I would never even think of doing half-tactics or not voting, I'm an all-or-nothing guy. As a lot of us are. I never take holidays even! It's better to have 8-10 consistent managers than 10-12 where you're always running the risk of losing one of them at any given moment.

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Post by Afro on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:20 am

How many votes were there last week? There were that few for the Premier League that the results where heavily skewed by a single vote. I don't think whoever wins the Prem this season could take much bragging rights from it
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Post by Guest on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:21 am

We're lucky in the Europa League, we get at least 7 out of 8 votes each week. It really helps, because doing results with 4/5 votes is not fair on those teams involved.

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Post by Afro on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:22 am

The last couple of seasons have been pretty much 100% voting with the odd exception, and the league worked well.
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Post by Guest on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:24 am

These leagues are only ever enjoyable when all the managers are around, banterising, talking about Wilshere vs Scholes and generally laughing at each other. If you're not getting that 'fun' element now, then re-boot with everyone back on board.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:27 am

I've only got 3 sets of votes from the Championship this week again
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Post by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:33 am

Is there any alternative to voting for results??

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Post by Afro on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:34 am

I am happy to just decide all the results based on how I am feeling that morning
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Post by Guest on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:35 am

Well that works for me in the Europa League Whistle

Voting works well, I don't see why we need to change that system.

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Post by Afro on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:38 am

I think years of playing these games have made me realise that there is no perfect system for calculating results. The one we currently use is actually one of the best working, when you get a decent number of votes in. It's only when you have a small number of votes that it falls down
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Post by Guest on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:41 am

Viva just said 'no loans' - that HAS to be a rule from now on, surely!

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Post by Afro on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:41 am

I think no loaning money is a good rule to include.

This should include deals that are paid in installments/"including next weeks bonus".

Transfers should be all the money up front and if you can't afford it, then you wait until you can.

Also, something to stop end of season loans where a team with nothing to play for loans out their best players to a team who does
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Post by Guest on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:43 am

That's also agreed I reckon, they are stupid get-arounds that make it unfair on some teams.

Does anyone want to put together a long-list of things to agree before the re-boot? Afro, as you're the leader of the gang?

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Post by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra on Tue 16 Jul 2013, 11:43 am

Afro wrote:It's only when you have a small number of votes that it falls down
Is there anything you can put in place as a Plan B incase there is low votes for a week?

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