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Post by Bull on Sun 22 Sep 2013, 5:07 pm

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Cleverly ?? Are you freaking kidding me!

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Post by Ent on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 6:51 pm

Attitude much better this half, everything being done more quickly and less sloppy moments.

Great finish from januzaj.

Must say Rooney has been atrocious today.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 6:51 pm

Poor defending for both goals, Sunderland have twice allowed him loads of space in the box and twice been punished. Really not good enough at this level.
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Post by Ent on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 6:52 pm

His deal runs out soon and city have offered him 45k a week. Double our offer.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 6:52 pm

every player has been atrocious today- i wouldn't single out rooney!

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 6:53 pm

45k a week is a lot of money for an 18yr old!!

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Post by Hero on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 6:54 pm

Not every player Mysti, DDG kept Utd in the game 1st half.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 6:55 pm

TBH though I think sunderland should stick with Ball, sunderland have looked a totally different outfit since he took over

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Post by Hero on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 6:55 pm

45k is a lot of money, but look what happened with Pogba.

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Post by Ent on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 6:56 pm

He'd still be earning less than most of the first team squad.

Got to pay him the going rate if he is good enough to be playing in the first team, just hope he is a sensible lad.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 6:56 pm

Yes amazing save it was. Schemical was spot on. Best save of the season and kept them in the game

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Post by Guest on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 6:57 pm

mystiroakey wrote:TBH though I think sunderland should stick with Ball, sunderland have looked a totally different outfit since he took over
I reckon he may do a Ricky Sbragia for the remainder of this season. I wonder if he has designs on management anyway?


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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 6:58 pm

Ent wrote:He'd still be earning less than most of the first team squad.

Got to pay him the going rate if he is good enough to be playing in the first team, just hope he is a sensible lad.
well zaha is only on 30k.

but then he is getting paid for nothing!!(sadly)

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Post by Hero on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 6:59 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
Ent wrote:He'd still be earning less than most of the first team squad.

Got to pay him the going rate if he is good enough to be playing in the first team, just hope he is a sensible lad.
well zaha is only on 30k.

but then he is getting paid for nothing!!(sadly)
He gets first dibs on Laura though.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 7:05 pm

laughing

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Post by Hero on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 7:09 pm

You have a player on 2 goals and clearly is single handedly dragging Utd through the game and causing the Sunderland team problems.
Best take him off then.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 7:25 pm

Hero wrote:You have a player on 2 goals and clearly is single handedly dragging Utd through the game and causing the Sunderland team problems.
Best take him off then.
Oh jesus, stop being a little whiny girl!

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Post by Hero on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 7:28 pm

If a player clearly is causing the opposition trouble and is in the zone why replace him? Utd immediately then looked troubled again and it allowed Sunderland to throw more at Utd as they weren't as worried about the counter.

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Post by Guest on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 7:32 pm

I didn't watch it but would you guys say that this is the moment Januzaj finally arrived as a United player?

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Post by Hero on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 7:41 pm

It quite easily could be a pivotal moment certainly not just for him but for Moyes and the club as it gives them a figure to get behind.
Until he leaves on a free in January to City.

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Post by Guest on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 7:44 pm

You'd hope - as a football fan - he'd stay. He'd probably get lost in the system at City.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 7:45 pm

Moyes saying United played some good stuff, really not sure what game he watched.

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Post by Ent on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 7:51 pm

Zaha can't get in the squad, never mind get a game or score a goal.

Januzaj should be on 70k given what Zaha is on.

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Post by Guest on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 7:55 pm

Sunderland are now sitting 6 points behind 17th already. Not the most attractive looking job going I must say.

Swansea away next and then the north east derby. A long hard slog awaits.

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Post by GSC on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:21 pm

Job done for United in the end but it was very laboured. Positives for Sunderland, looked up for it
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Post by Guest on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 9:06 pm

United were shocking, bailed out by an 18 year old who basically holds all the cards now, especially after that performance. Cleverley offers nothing, absolutely nothing. Defending is poor, Vidic is showing further decline too. Huge save from De Gea, which ultimately proved crucial before HT. United don't look great, Moyes shouldn't get carried away, it's against Sunderland.

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Post by Ent on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 9:17 pm

Yeah it was shocking, just relieved to get a win- I have to question moyes and the preparation - for 20 minutes we played with the appropriate tempo, pace and tenacity and were able to get 2 goals and get into good situations. For the other 70 minutes Sunderland were the better side and could easily have had 4 goals, couldn't have complained if they had won.


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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 10:46 pm

Hero wrote:If a player clearly is causing the opposition trouble and is in the zone why replace him? Utd immediately then looked troubled again and it allowed Sunderland to throw more at Utd as they weren't as worried about the counter.
Myriad reasons. Tactics and physical aspects being clear favourites.

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Post by GSC on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 10:49 pm

He is 18 after all
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Post by Fernando on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 10:55 pm

It's nice to see the media doing their usual trick of trying to destroy England players confidence. Every year a new player this year seemingly Hart.

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Post by Hero on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 10:57 pm

Physically I get, he may have been flagging after his first full Premier League game although from I could see he had more energy than anyone around him.
Tactically? A tentative 2-1 lead where you're desperate for the points not only to rise into the top half of the table but to avert a potential crisis and you take off the one person who's most likely to cement the victory, instead by removing him it allowed Sunderland to get back into the game and nearly get an equalizer. Tactically you'd take RVP off who wasn't in the best form, add another midfielder in to shore the centre of the pitch up and use Januzaj and Valencia to hit on the break when Sunderland have to throw men forward thus exposing gaps.

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Post by GSC on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 10:58 pm

Ultimately, you don't take off the likes of RVP.

Harsh but reality
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Post by Guest on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 11:08 pm

Fernando wrote:It's nice to see the media doing their usual trick of trying to destroy England players confidence. Every year a new player this year seemingly Hart.
The footballing public have been calling Hart out for two years. Finally the media have caught up.

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Post by GSC on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 11:11 pm

Hart needs pushing I think. Had it his own way for too long, too comfortable
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Post by Duty281 on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 11:17 pm

England want Januzaj to play for them, and have already registered their interest according to Moyes. Our left wing troubles, and I'm not talking about the Labour party, solved perhaps? Although it's pretty unlikely I would imagine.

I'd also like to retract my earlier comment about Januzaj being a cheating scumbag. He's too damn cute to be called that. And he did look fairly guilty after he dived.

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Post by GSC on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 11:19 pm

It's alright to dive when he rescues your team then.

Why play for England when he can play for Belgium
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Post by Duty281 on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 11:22 pm

GSC wrote:It's alright to dive when he rescues your team then.

Why play for England when he can play for Belgium
Whose team? And I didn't say it was OK.

And the second bit is why I find it unlikely. Mind you, he can (according to wikipedia) choose to represent one of six countries, so he has quite a choice!

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Post by Duty281 on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 11:26 pm

Actually scrap all of that. According to the Mail, Januzaj wants to play for Albania, and he's not eligible for England until early 2018.

It should just remain a nice idea.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 11:26 pm

I'm sure I read that he was declining Belgium due to his Albanian ties.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 11:27 pm

Remy proving me right, and annoying me that we didnt go full pelt for him.

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Post by GSC on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 11:28 pm

Take a hint from Ryan Giggs. Why waste your time on a useless international nation
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Post by Hero on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 11:45 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I'm sure I read that he was declining Belgium due to his Albanian ties.
Correct, he wants to play for Albania over Belgium, he was born in Belgium but his family are Albanian.

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Post by Guest on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 11:50 pm

Hero wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I'm sure I read that he was declining Belgium due to his Albanian ties.
Correct, he wants to play for Albania over Belgium, he was born in Belgium but his family are Albanian.
Makes me glad I'm not a half decent professional footballer.

My scottish mother would hate me.


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Post by GSC on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 11:51 pm

Mine wouldn't care
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Post by Guest on Sat 05 Oct 2013, 11:56 pm

GSC wrote:Mine wouldn't care
Saddens me to hear that G.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 06 Oct 2013, 12:22 am

Love how Hart was blasted for Everton's first yet Citeh go up the other end and pretty much exactly the same happens with Howard yet not a word is said...

I hope Sunderland appoint Ball. They would join Palace as the 2nd team going down then
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Post by Guest on Sun 06 Oct 2013, 12:28 am

I know your game Olly. Eyes on third bottom but it happening.

Stoke have eyes on 18th place.


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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 06 Oct 2013, 12:56 am

Hero wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I'm sure I read that he was declining Belgium due to his Albanian ties.
Correct, he wants to play for Albania over Belgium, he was born in Belgium but his family are Albanian.
Fair play to the lad on that if it's true, would be only too easy to choose Belgium at this point in time, would assume then he considers himself Albanian and not Belgian?

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Post by mystiroakey on Sun 06 Oct 2013, 7:22 am

Olly wrote:Love how Hart was blasted for Everton's first yet Citeh go up the other end and pretty much exactly the same happens with Howard yet not a word is said...

I hope Sunderland appoint Ball. They would join Palace as the 2nd team going down then
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Post by mystiroakey on Sun 06 Oct 2013, 7:25 am

GSC wrote:It's alright to dive when he rescues your team then.

Why play for England when he can play for Belgium
There is just so much wrong with that comment..

Anyway. Why play for belgium when you can play for albania!!

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Post by Hero on Sun 06 Oct 2013, 8:40 am

mystiroakey wrote:
GSC wrote:It's alright to dive when he rescues your team then.

Why play for England when he can play for Belgium
There is just so much wrong with that comment..

Anyway. Why play for belgium when you can play for albania!!
Hardly, from the perspective of the person rather than one of someone from England then Belgium currently looks a much more attractive option than England, currently 6th in the rankings compared to 17th, possibly the strongest set of players ever to emerge from the country and in depth as well in comparison to a continued dirth of talent emerging from England.
Though neither looks the decision from the player as he's gone with his heart.

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