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Post by GSC on Sat 26 Oct 2013, 9:49 pm

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It was always going to be hard for Hughton.

The Norwich family never really took to him as one of their own
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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 7:53 pm

Stella wrote:Is that both Manchester clubs out of the title race? A little premature possibly but I didn't fancy either before we started and I certainly don't now.

If man u lose to arsenal in 2 weeks time then they will probably be out of the race.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:08 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Carroll is not worth 15 million. This season if he returns from injury will be his worst season ever.
Based on what? Every week waiting for him is us treading water. He goes head to head with Benteke for top strikers outside the big sides (and Everton). I'd rather have him than Torres, Eto'o or Ba. A 24 year old Englishman for £15m is very good business. And that's a fact, there's no questioning that really if you look at history and market valuations.

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Post by kingraf on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:13 pm

Would never prefer Carroll to Eto'o, even in his diminished state
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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:21 pm

kingraf wrote:Would never prefer Carroll to Eto'o, even in his diminished state
Eto'o was a free transfer and is 2nd choice striker at Chelsea.

We need to compare Carroll for other players bought for roughly 15 mil to see who one would prefer. Bony, Michu, Giroud, walcott, Jesus navas, alvaro negredo, defoe, sturridge, benteke, lukaku, loic remy,

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Post by Guest on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:36 pm

kingraf wrote:Would never prefer Carroll to Eto'o, even in his diminished state
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:40 pm

No we don't. We're comparing him to other strikers in this league. I'd rather have Carroll than Eto'o, Eto'o is nothing to what he was and would not be worth having in a team with supply lines that don't cost 100s of millions.

Of the list above, I'd have Carroll over pretty much all of them at West ham. Maybe not Lukaku, level with Benteke for me. Different clubs different needs, but it strikes me of forming opinions on the back of over hearing a retarded dog talk football. I'd doubt either of you watch any west ham, I'm sure you think we just knock it long and Sam sits on a tennis umpires chair so he can see some of the ball, so I have no need to discuss it further.

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Post by GSC on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:43 pm

Carroll level with Benteke, I've heard it all
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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:45 pm

GSC wrote:Carroll level with Benteke, I've heard it all
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Post by Stella on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:47 pm

Carroll's not the quickest, or most natural goal scorer, but I bet he's a pain in the arse to mark. Gimme Torres any day.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:48 pm

Oh Christ, really GSC? I would have given you more credit than that

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Post by GSC on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:49 pm

And I would've given you much more credit than nobody watches my club excuse so I guess we're even
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:53 pm

I like Carroll, but you're going a bit OTT there Chris, Benteke is the better player
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Post by kingraf on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:54 pm

Eto'o scored 37 goals in his last season at Inter, and was rated the #1 forward in Russia for the last two years. Sure he may not be the tour de force he once was, but I have seen nothing that indicates Carroll of all people eclipsed him
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:55 pm

It was to the two stated, and i stand by it. Why would they have? We're not a big club on TV all month long. But you were just immature. You want my reasoning or do you want to snide like some self entitled Kumquat?

I was quite continually arguing on different clubs different needs. I do think Benteke gets credit on top of it too for being foreign and thus cooler on the Internet. Benteke's technique can be lacking, I don't think he's aerially dominating enough for someone of his frame, he can go quiet in games whereas Carroll never does. Carroll hasn't Benteke's pace but I think his technique is underrated and more consistently present. Benteke's ceiling is probably higher, but I'm not sure he'll definitely reach it.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:57 pm

Just seen the last two goals in the Citeh-Chelski game, fair to say neither GK covering themselves in glory there. Cech woefully out of position for the Aguero goal, and Hart's gone walkies at the end there
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:58 pm

Oh Eto'o was the best striker in Italy a few years ago and was the best striker in Russia? A league where it was well noted he played a diminished striking role to play off the top a lot. And has looked sketchy at Chelsea? Bow down at his feet, if he were once good I must rate him forever! Wish we'd signed Pele.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 9:00 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:No we don't. We're comparing him to other strikers in this league. I'd rather have Carroll than Eto'o, Eto'o is nothing to what he was and would not be worth having in a team with supply lines that don't cost 100s of millions.

Of the list above, I'd have Carroll over pretty much all of them at West ham. Maybe not Lukaku, level with Benteke for me. Different clubs different needs, but it strikes me of forming opinions on the back of over hearing a retarded dog talk football. I'd doubt either of you watch any west ham, I'm sure you think we just knock it long and Sam sits on a tennis umpires chair so he can see some of the ball, so I have no need to discuss it further.
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Post by GSC on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 9:03 pm

First of all they'll get a 5 minute minimum segment weekly. Most teams will be lucky to get more than a 30 goal highlights package. So stop with the whole West Ham are some obscure team talk. Nobody in the PL is obscure these days.

I saw Benteke take over games in a poor team last season in ways I've never seen Carroll. He's had moments but typically when I watch him when he comes across as your typical target man. Strong, bullies CBs, but on the flip side lacking technically and misses too many chances.

Stop the tantrum, it demeans both of us
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 9:07 pm

I thought we were being facetious, I wanted to get involved!

It's not a tantrum, although I am genuinely frustrated that I can make a point and people can just pick whatever they want and decide to argue a whole new point.

Again, we're not obscure, but you're watching a motd snippet of half these teams these days and a lot of live football for the rest. You'd be naive to suggest otherwise. I'd also argue if you haven't seen Carroll run games for us then you haven't watched us. Indeed, he doesn't miss an awful amount of chances because we don't make a lot unless he's making them. It suits us very well, but then is take Benteke every day of the week at Spurs or a Chelsea.

But don't demean my words and expect fully salient argument.

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Post by Ent on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 9:20 pm

Being effective and being a good player aren't the same.

See fellani for Everton and united.

Carroll isn't a very good player, but he is effective for big Sam with 2 players bought to cross it to him.

Remember kevin Davies was effective for big Sam.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 10:37 pm

Unfair, he's being stuck with stereotype there.

Also, anyone driving tonight take care. All over is a bit of a bitch, mainly the rain being whipped around at the moment. Dont want anyone getting hurt, even you C_S Wink 

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 10:39 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Unfair, he's being stuck with stereotype there.

Also, anyone driving tonight take care. All over is a bit of a bitch, mainly the rain being whipped around at the moment. Dont want anyone getting hurt, even you C_S Wink 
Thanks, the storm is going to be really bad, I only hope everyone stays safe.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 10:40 pm

Benteke is all the rage because he is a Belgium.

As I said start of the season he is on par with Sturridge and not the holy grail ..

Both top 2nd tier strikers at present.. But tbh I actually prefer giroud and Carroll . For different reasons..

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Post by mystiroakey on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 10:52 pm

I think everyone forgets how good Carroll has been in the past.

The 35 mill tag has dimensioned him into a kind of joke category.. Because he was never worth it and now people totally devalue him as a result.. He was however certainly worth 20 m at the time. It's just Liverpool got screwed over due to the Torres deal...

That deal  was the devils work. Both players turned into shells of there former selves. Luckily both seem to be making strides again.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 10:56 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Unfair, he's being stuck with stereotype there.

Also, anyone driving tonight take care. All over is a bit of a bitch, mainly the rain being whipped around at the moment. Dont want anyone getting hurt, even you C_S Wink 
Thanks, the storm is going to be really bad, I only hope everyone stays safe.
I got a driving lesson tomorrow. Watch out Norfolk Cool 
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 10:57 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Benteke is all the rage because he is a Belgium.
No Benteke is all the rage because he's pretty damn good with huge potential.
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Post by Fernando on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 11:05 pm

Of all the people in the storm today, id hope the West Ham fans get back safely from Swansea. I've been over the Severn Bridge on a windy day and it's not pleasant at all angel 

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 11:05 pm

Just seen the second Chelsea goal.

Oh Joe Hart, what have you done? picard

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Post by NickisBHAFC on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 11:24 pm

I can see Joe Hart doing a Rob Green and messing up our whole World Cup.

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Post by GSC on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 11:26 pm

If the other 10 players dont first
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Post by westisbest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 8:20 am

I think Carroll is a decent player.

Tekkers was quality in a ( sadly) poor Villa side last seasn
Started this season great till the injury.
Hopefully he back to top form at Upton Park.
He does have his off days, as does any player.

There have been times when i've watched him, where he gets beaten in the air to easily for a big strong guy.

On the whole he is a very good player.

Big pat on the back for Lambert for signing him.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 9:32 am

Indeed, I think he's a hell of a player and Lambert has not been given enough credit for some of the players he has bought and introduced. For all that villa haven't made huge strides in the table under Lambert, I'd take that for being able to watch a team brimming with potential. Being a football fan is an arduous task at times, clinging on to the kind of positives that Lambert brings makes it bearable

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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 10:01 am

Lambert is a class manager.

I have a soft spot for villa.. Bit of a gutting result at the weekend though. Those are the games when you need your star striker to nick a goal.

But then it must be siad that Everton are a high quality team at the moment. They wont get stuffed by any team, top 6 for me!

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Post by JamesLincs on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 11:58 am

oh dear, very disappointed with fer and hughton over the 'goal'

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 12:22 pm

Laugh I liked Fer's honesty. He got given an excuse for the backpass in the question and bluntly came out and said 'I wanted to win'

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 12:45 pm

Oh dear young Andre Villa Boas is insulting Spurs fans and telling those people who shell out money they probably can't really afford, to support the team better......

Stupid stupid boy.........Mr Levy have a word...You don't moan about the fans rule number 1.........

I see classless Jose didn't get a handshake...........Jumping into the crowd behind the City dug out........Well done Pellegrini..

Then again I suppose it's better than trying to incite Barcelona fans or poking opposition staff in the eye........Didn't he say the Aston Villa manager needed to become more mature a few weeks ago.....

People like this guy.......But you wonder what type of people they are......

Cheap classless moron..


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Post by Duty281 on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 12:49 pm

Good to see you're not bitter about yesterday, Truss. thumbsup 

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 12:57 pm

I'm nothing but a casual fan........It's just that I can see through this Mourinho guy and I find it amusing people like him..

Just a classless, sneering, vile, cheap little Man.........

Saw the game and have no complaints about the result...........

Think Hart should be rested........

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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 1:15 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Oh dear young Andre Villa Boas is insulting Spurs fans and telling those people who shell out money they probably can't really afford,  to support the team better......

Stupid stupid boy.........Mr Levy have a word...You don't moan about the fans rule number 1.........
This is the same manager who was basically putting his name in the mix for the PSG job in the summer. AVB knows what he's doing. Jump ship from club to club getting ridiculous pay-offs. How much did he get from Chelsea & how much would he get from Spurs if they sacked him. I saw the game, atmosphere in parts was like a morgue, agree Spurs aren't playing that great football but their currently in the top 4.

AVB's doing a decent job.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 1:21 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Laugh I liked Fer's honesty. He got given an excuse for the backpass in the question and bluntly came out and said 'I wanted to win'
Yeah I liked his honesty. He wanted to win. Sure it's "against the spirit of the game", but that's like that actually exists in football
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 1:22 pm

you could be right Mate..

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Post by GSC on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 1:33 pm

I reckon someone from Norwich might have a word with Fer today. No need to keep this story going.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 1:36 pm

GSC wrote:I reckon someone from Norwich might have a word with Fer today. No need to keep this story going.
Hughton said in his press conference (for the cup game tomoz), he's had a word with Fer not to do it again
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Post by Stella on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 1:36 pm

GSC wrote:I reckon someone from Norwich might have a word with Fer today. No need to keep this story going.
What happened?
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Post by GSC on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 1:39 pm

Cardiff put it out for a throw because a Norwich player was hurt, and Fer proceeded to score from it.

Now he's said he meant to do it.
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Post by Stella on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 1:40 pm

GSC wrote:Cardiff put it out for a throw because a Norwich player was hurt, and Fer proceeded to score from it.

Now he's said he meant to do it.
Cheers. Call me old fashioned, but that's a little bit wrong.
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Post by GSC on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 1:42 pm

Yeah the ref disallowed it

Bit in bad taste really.
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Post by Stella on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 1:45 pm

GSC wrote:Yeah the ref disallowed it

Bit in bad taste really.
Was he within the rules to do that?
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 1:46 pm

Stella wrote:
GSC wrote:Yeah the ref disallowed it

Bit in bad taste really.
Was he within the rules to do that?
Technically no, but common sense was rightly used
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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 2:53 pm

The ref shouldn't have disallowed it. What should have happened was that Norwich allow Cardiff to score a free goal, thus tying the game at 1-1 and drawing me level with the gits who shared the sky sports super 6 £10k jackpot (I think) Sad

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