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Post by Liam Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:54 pm

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Boring game but good result for all the top teams around these two really. Difference between Arsenal winning the league and not is a world class striker, because in tight games like these in the big games a world class striker will finish the chance Giroud had. He's been excellent this season but misses far too many to deliver a title. That's what makes Suarez/Agueor and RVP last season the difference in the end.

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Post by compelling and rich Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:32 pm

Not a pen on walcott for me. I watched the game with another 15 lads and dont think any of us did

walcott went down looking for it, it was a very slight touch and then he dived. Hate all this nonsense about contact so its a pen. The contact has to be enough to impede a player

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Post by Duty281 Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:42 pm

J.Benson II wrote:Decisions go for and against teams. Its part of football. Just accept it and move on.
People just remember the decisions that go against their teams and ignore the ones that go in favour.

Not sure why Duty though is dismissive of Socal's victim mentality when he does exactly the same with England's games.

Oh I don't have a victim mentality - I merely point out some incorrect decisions.

I don't believe there's a massive conspiracy against England. Even though I wrote that there probably was, I was probably p!ssed.

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Post by hampo17 Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:47 pm

socal1976 wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:
socal1976 wrote:Mikel's challenge which was not even called a foul

I know you've repeated this x times, but IIRC Dean played advantage for the challenge (from which Arsenal could have had a penalty) so don't think it's true.

As to the litigious calls:
- I thought the challenge on Walcott was a penalty any day of the week. It's cute forward play, he gets himself between the ball and the "defender" (in this case a winger); Willian made a clumsy challenge, and IMO from Dean's angle you should give a penalty. Poor decision.
- Mikel on Arteta was borderline IMO. I thought the debate between Carragher and Neville was very interesting, and both had good points. I wouldn't argue too much against a RC with the way the game is usually reffed nowadays, but can understand Neville's PoV also.
- Ramires yellow was right: high foot yes but no excessive force and caught a foot rather than a standing leg or anything more serious.
- Ivanovic on Ozil was a free kick certainly. Wouldn't argue too much against a card either.

On the other hand, I thought Rosicky was lucky with the yellow when he swiped whoever it was from behind, and there were numerous subtle cynical fouls on Hazard (shirt-pulling and clipping heels mainly - particularly in the first 20 minutes or so) which weren't picked up by Dean either. Overall I think he clearly went in with a mind to let the game flow, so let a lot of marginal things slide, for both teams; the game could have been reffed with a different mindset entirely, but I thought he was consistent, calm and clear, and kept a good lid on things when they threatened to bubble over. Aside from the Walcott pen non-call, I thought he had a pretty good game overall.

Arsenal fans may want to look a bit closer to home as to why they produced absolutely nothing for 80+ minutes against a fairly average (IMO) Chelsea side.

By your own admission the ref missed a penalty, a 50/50 red card that got no card at all, and a free kick ALL IN FAVOR OF  chelsea and you still make the conclusion that he was fair. Rosicky did nothing approaching the fouls we saw on Arteta and as for Hazard I didn't see much done to him in comparison to Ivanovic's karate kick that glanced Ozil's cheek or compared to the kicks that Arteta received. I mean that would have really been fair to throw out Rosicky after what he had let Chelsea get away with? The ref had a howler and he was not consistent by your own viewing he missed a card, a penalty, and a free kick that should have gone Arsenal's way.

And to top it off he gave Theo a ridiculous yellow card for his first foul when theo barely clipped the players heel and was actually pulling out of the challenge.

Don't get me wrong I am not happy with the way ARsenal played at all, they probably didn't deserve more than a point. But again that does not absolve Dean from letting Chelsea kick Arsenal all around the field while he plays Sargeant Schulz. He was not balanced or fair in anyway. And part of the reason they couldn't play was 1. Mourinho's negative tactics and 2. Sargeant Schulz DEan letting them get kicked all around the field and 3. the torrential rain did impact the passing a bit as well. That being said Dean is still an incompetent and should not be officiating in the premier league at the least they should suspend him a match or two and sit his ass down and go over that tape with him.



Mikels tackle was late, before you start saying it was reckless, Arteta went in exactly the same as Mikel did he was a split second quicker to the ball and a fantastic reply on MNF showed this after the game. However I can imagine you complaining had Arteta been red carded for that tackle and saying it was a wrong decision.

The Walcott one was not a penalty, he played for the penalty and got exactly what he deserved...nothing. I'm fed up of players going down at the slightest gust of wind and getting penalties for it, the referee was spot on with his call on that one.

I'm not surprised you didn't see the fouls on the Chelsea players, unless they are wearing red and white I don't think you see anything that happens to them judging by your recent comments.


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Post by GSC Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:56 pm

Not surprised at all really. Typical Jose team away from home in a big game
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Post by Guest Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:47 pm

Christ, look at these embarrassing dean accusations. Just face it, arsenal against the big boys have no answer to break them down. Their threats get nullified against top quality. Giroud is appalling, said it for months, he would be the reason arsenal fail to win anything when it matters. The abuse I got for my giroud comments way back were quite frankly astonishing, seeing as you are supposed to be knowledgeable footy fans.

Arsenal`s bubble has burst, seven point lead evaporated into thin air, as we predicted, when the fixtures got tougher & now you start blaming referee decisions. Embarrassing. As for Mourinho, completely as expected away from home.

Spurs 1-1 Chelsea
United 0-0 Chelsea
Arsenal 0-0 Chelsea

That's how it works under Jose.....

Just to add though. Newcastle 2-0 Chelsea  Laugh 

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:35 pm

Oh yes, Mike Dean is wonderful that is why he is 767 percent more likely to award United a penalty than Arsenal. Yes nothing to see here. Actually the number is now 1 penalty given to Arsenal in 24 matches. And yes it was an optical illusion seeing Ivanovic's boot six feet in the air grazing Ozil's cheek and then watching the three blind mice award a throw deep in Chelsea's area. As I said the coincidences keep piling for Mike Dean. Funny, how Mourinho went out of his way to praise Dean and say he had a good game. Headline of the independent Dean's mistakes cost Arsenal. And NBC sports and all the other write ups on the game mention his terrible mistakes that went against Arsenal but he was fair balanced according to you guys.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:40 pm

You seem to failing to see or simply not wishing to see all the decisions that went against Chelsea but do give crying like a little girl it's quite amusing. Face facts you're not good enough to beat the top teams.

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:46 pm

Mike Selig wrote:
socal1976 wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:
socal1976 wrote:Mikel's challenge which was not even called a foul

I know you've repeated this x times, but IIRC Dean played advantage for the challenge (from which Arsenal could have had a penalty) so don't think it's true.

As to the litigious calls:
- I thought the challenge on Walcott was a penalty any day of the week. It's cute forward play, he gets himself between the ball and the "defender" (in this case a winger); Willian made a clumsy challenge, and IMO from Dean's angle you should give a penalty. Poor decision.
- Mikel on Arteta was borderline IMO. I thought the debate between Carragher and Neville was very interesting, and both had good points. I wouldn't argue too much against a RC with the way the game is usually reffed nowadays, but can understand Neville's PoV also.
- Ramires yellow was right: high foot yes but no excessive force and caught a foot rather than a standing leg or anything more serious.
- Ivanovic on Ozil was a free kick certainly. Wouldn't argue too much against a card either.

On the other hand, I thought Rosicky was lucky with the yellow when he swiped whoever it was from behind, and there were numerous subtle cynical fouls on Hazard (shirt-pulling and clipping heels mainly - particularly in the first 20 minutes or so) which weren't picked up by Dean either. Overall I think he clearly went in with a mind to let the game flow, so let a lot of marginal things slide, for both teams; the game could have been reffed with a different mindset entirely, but I thought he was consistent, calm and clear, and kept a good lid on things when they threatened to bubble over. Aside from the Walcott pen non-call, I thought he had a pretty good game overall.

Arsenal fans may want to look a bit closer to home as to why they produced absolutely nothing for 80+ minutes against a fairly average (IMO) Chelsea side.

By your own admission the ref missed a penalty, a 50/50 red card that got no card at all, and a free kick ALL IN FAVOR OF  chelsea and you still make the conclusion that he was fair. Rosicky did nothing approaching the fouls we saw on Arteta and as for Hazard I didn't see much done to him in comparison to Ivanovic's karate kick that glanced Ozil's cheek or compared to the kicks that Arteta received. I mean that would have really been fair to throw out Rosicky after what he had let Chelsea get away with? The ref had a howler and he was not consistent by your own viewing he missed a card, a penalty, and a free kick that should have gone Arsenal's way.

And to top it off he gave Theo a ridiculous yellow card for his first foul when theo barely clipped the players heel and was actually pulling out of the challenge.

Don't get me wrong I am not happy with the way ARsenal played at all, they probably didn't deserve more than a point. But again that does not absolve Dean from letting Chelsea kick Arsenal all around the field while he plays Sargeant Schulz. He was not balanced or fair in anyway. And part of the reason they couldn't play was 1. Mourinho's negative tactics and 2. Sargeant Schulz DEan letting them get kicked all around the field and 3. the torrential rain did impact the passing a bit as well. That being said Dean is still an incompetent and should not be officiating in the premier league at the least they should suspend him a match or two and sit his ass down and go over that tape with him.


You're right, those particular decisions went against Arsenal. He also missed 4 clear free-kicks for Chelsea for fouls on Hazard (3) and Willian (1), all similar shirt-tugs or heel clips from behind but the Chelsea wingers stayed on their feet and lost control as a result of the sly fouls; he also gave Arsenal defenders 2 non-existent free-kicks when the Chelsea strikers closed them down and they either slipped or just fell in order to get a foul. Rosicky's YC IMO was as much of a 50-50 RC as Mikel's.

So yes, he missed things for both sides (you would know this if you opened both eyes, but overall kept good control of the game. He was a darn sight better than most of the 22 players on the pitch TBH.

I saw Rosicky make a couple of challenges that were fouls and he called them and carded Rosicky, nothing approaching the lunge ramires made. By your own conclusions, not what I am saying he missed a penalty in a goaless draw. That is no balance as far as I see. And I did see 2 free kicks that he missed for Chelsea not 4, and I also saw his phantom yellow card on Theo and at least half a dozen terrible decisions going against the red.

The man should be relegated and not allowed to work an Arsenal game for the rest of the season. Where there is smoke there is often fire. He awards a penalty ever 3.5 games and has now gone 24 matches without awarding Arsenal a penalty. Like I said his track record is fact and very coincidental, so many coincidences pilling up and a terrible performance in the match. But the FA won't relegate him most likely they probably will give him the FA cup final because rewarding incompetence is what they are best at.


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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:46 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You seem to failing to see or simply not wishing to see all the decisions that went against Chelsea but do give crying like a little girl it's quite amusing. Face facts you're not good enough to beat the top teams.

Yes Dortmund, Napoli, and Liverpool don't qualify as good teams because you say so.

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:51 pm

John wrote:Christ, look at these embarrassing dean accusations. Just face it, arsenal against the big boys have no answer to break them down. Their threats get nullified against top quality. Giroud is appalling, said it for months, he would be the reason arsenal fail to win anything when it matters. The abuse I got for my giroud comments way back were quite frankly astonishing, seeing as you are supposed to be knowledgeable footy fans.

Arsenal`s bubble has burst, seven point lead evaporated into thin air, as we predicted, when the fixtures got tougher & now you start blaming referee decisions. Embarrassing. As for Mourinho, completely as expected away from home.

Spurs 1-1 Chelsea
United 0-0 Chelsea
Arsenal 0-0 Chelsea

That's how it works under Jose.....

Just to add though. Newcastle 2-0 Chelsea  Laugh 

Yes there bubble burst so badly they are tied for points with the league leaders having played City, Chelsea, Man Utd, Everton, and liverpool. They have not played well last two weeks and guess what contrary to all your predictions are in thick of the title race.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:52 pm

1 point against Chelsea, United and City is a more telling truth as far as the league goes, against the top three teams in the league you have yet to win. Don't be fooled by current league positions those three have proven their worth over the past 5 seasons.

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:55 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:1 point against Chelsea, United and City is a more telling truth as far as the league goes, against the top three teams in the league you have yet to win. Don't be fooled by current league positions those three have proven their worth over the past 5 seasons.

What I am not fooled by is your well documented anti-Arsenal bias or the cow dung you pass of as logic.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:57 pm

Get over yourself, bad decisions happen in every game against every team, you don't see the rest of us crying about conspiracy theories.

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:59 pm

Starlight wrote:Socal, where's your source for this stuff?


the internet, just google Dean and there are literally mountains on his track record via Arsenal, but I made all that up and am blinded by my bias. Hopefully someone will give this guy the Nancy Kerrigan treatement and he will never be able to referee a match again.

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:01 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Get over yourself, bad decisions happen in every game against every team, you don't see the rest of us crying about conspiracy theories.

I wouldn't either maybe if Mike Dean was by the numbers 767 percent more likely to award United a penalty and like you are a United fan. No wonder you defend Dean tooth and nail he has won you lot more points than Cantona and Giggs combined.

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:03 pm

Conspiracy theories? Interesting we know there is no track record of corruption or gross incompetence with football referees anywhere in the world. I made that up as well.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:03 pm

We won all our titles on the back of brilliance and resillience, it has zero to do with refereeing decisions, the best teams can find a way to win no matter what happens. You simply didn't do that yesterday, not the referees fault, you shouldn't be relying on them to win in the first place.

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Post by Bull Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:03 pm

Hey! Play nice guys!

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:04 pm

socal1976 wrote:Conspiracy theories? Interesting we know there is no track record of corruption or gross incompetence with football referees anywhere in the world. I made that up as well.

Stop crying like a little b!tch, you're pathetic.

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Post by Guest Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:07 pm

Nice to see the Xmas spirit in full flow

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:08 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
socal1976 wrote:Conspiracy theories? Interesting we know there is no track record of corruption or gross incompetence with football referees anywhere in the world. I made that up as well.

Stop crying like a little b!tch, you're pathetic.

Do you want to add misogyny and name calling to your CV to go along side your talent of unentertaining posts. You are free to check out of thread, block my posts, or simply not participate if you can't be civil.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:10 pm

To be honest seeing a little girl be unable to accept the fact their team couldn't win a game of football is rather pathetic ergo making you pathetic by extension.

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:13 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:To be honest seeing a little girl be unable to accept the fact their team couldn't win a game of football is rather pathetic ergo making you pathetic by extension.

Oh wait this is a football site and I know I am the first football fan in history to complain about an official. In fact, if you bothered to work your few remaining braincells you would see that I stated Arsenal didn't deserve a win. But frankly that still does not excuse this guys rampant and dangerous incompetence. I will talk about whatever I like within the rules, if you want to do the insult game with me you will find that I am more than capable of that as well.

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Post by Bull Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:29 pm

The gloves have dropped!

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Post by Duty281 Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:30 pm

I think Phil Dowd is reffing Arsenal-West Ham on Boxing day. Is he good socal, or is he part of the anti-Arsenal brigade?

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Post by compelling and rich Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:34 pm

Duty281 wrote:I think Phil Dowd is reffing Arsenal-West Ham on Boxing day. Is he good socal, or is he part of the anti-Arsenal brigade?

there all against arsenal dont you know that!! arsenal would have won the league every year if it wasnt for all those refs letting poor arsenal players getting booted about

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:41 pm

Duty281 wrote:I think Phil Dowd is reffing Arsenal-West Ham on Boxing day. Is he good socal, or is he part of the anti-Arsenal brigade?

No one is as bad as Dean he has a statistical track record in Arsenal matches that is frankly baffling. But check with me and I will inform you on who is or is not part of the anti-Arsenal brigade.

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Post by Duty281 Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:45 pm

socal1976 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:I think Phil Dowd is reffing Arsenal-West Ham on Boxing day. Is he good socal, or is he part of the anti-Arsenal brigade?

No one is as bad as Dean he has a statistical track record in Arsenal matches that is frankly baffling. But check with me and I will inform you on who is or is not part of the anti-Arsenal brigade.

How extraordinary.

I'm completely sure now that I can go to you on anything Arsenal-related and receive a non-biased response.

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:47 pm

Duty281 wrote:
socal1976 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:I think Phil Dowd is reffing Arsenal-West Ham on Boxing day. Is he good socal, or is he part of the anti-Arsenal brigade?

No one is as bad as Dean he has a statistical track record in Arsenal matches that is frankly baffling. But check with me and I will inform you on who is or is not part of the anti-Arsenal brigade.

How extraordinary.

I'm completely sure now that I can go to you on anything Arsenal-related and receive a non-biased response.


Dowd has made his mistakes but he actually is not bad, Webb is a complete disaster and has been for years. By the way who exactly is unbiased?

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Post by It Must Be Love Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:49 pm

Socal, are you sure it's not just because it's easier for a fan of a specific team to claim they are unfortunate/ unlucky with referees.

I mean I've seen Arsenal fans complain about refs, Real Madrid fans complain about the pro-Barca conspiracy, Liverpool fans claim United sponsor the FA, United fans claim that they are a victim of a conspiracy etc. but I've rarely seen a fan of one club claim that another club is unlucky due to refs.
For example: When United fans see a decision against them they say 'the ref is a disgrace'; if the decision is for them 'the ref made the right call' or 'these things come in swings and roundabouts.'

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:51 pm

Not sure you got abuse John! More of a victim than Arsenal now Wink

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:56 pm

Starlight wrote:Socal, are you sure it's not just because it's easier for a fan of a specific team to claim they are unfortunate/ unlucky with referees.

I mean I've seen Arsenal fans complain about refs, Real Madrid fans complain about the pro-Barca conspiracy, Liverpool fans claim United sponsor the FA, United fans claim that they are a victim of a conspiracy etc. but I've rarely seen a fan of one club claim that another club is unlucky due to refs.
For example: When United fans see a decision against them they say 'the ref is a disgrace'; if the decision is for them 'the ref made the right call' or 'these things come in swings and roundabouts.'

Except that mike dean has years of track record and statistics showing his bias. Arsenal is 1-9-6 in last 16 matches he has been the ref. Not to mention that he averages a penalty award ever 3 matches and has not given Arsenal a penalty in 24 matches, WHICH IS BY FAR HIS LONGEST STREAK. And if you read any write up on this every commentator mentions he had numerous missed calls. One match is one match, this guy has a well established track record.

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Post by It Must Be Love Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:06 pm

socal1976 wrote:
Starlight wrote:Socal, are you sure it's not just because it's easier for a fan of a specific team to claim they are unfortunate/ unlucky with referees.

I mean I've seen Arsenal fans complain about refs, Real Madrid fans complain about the pro-Barca conspiracy, Liverpool fans claim United sponsor the FA, United fans claim that they are a victim of a conspiracy etc. but I've rarely seen a fan of one club claim that another club is unlucky due to refs.
For example: When United fans see a decision against them they say 'the ref is a disgrace'; if the decision is for them 'the ref made the right call' or 'these things come in swings and roundabouts.'

Except that mike dean has years of track record and statistics showing his bias. Arsenal is 1-9-6 in last 16 matches he has been the ref. Not to mention that he averages a penalty award ever 3 matches and has not given Arsenal a penalty in 24 matches, WHICH IS BY FAR HIS LONGEST STREAK. And if you read any write up on this every commentator mentions he had numerous missed calls. One match is one match, this guy has a well established track record.
None of this actually shows he has an active bias.
Correlation doesn't equal causation, or in this case correlation does equal corruption.

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Post by It Must Be Love Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:07 pm

And can you show me evidence of this penalty stat?

In terms of 'percentage games won'- that is not really evidence, if Arsenal's average win ratio is around 60% (let's say), and with some refs that is down at 25% and with some refs it is up at 95% it does not mean either ref is corrupt.

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:15 pm

coincidences Starlight, when they start to pile up you need a second look. Again this guy had a howler and he has a very bad track record. I will look up the site that has the stats on his cards for you and post it when I find it.

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Post by It Must Be Love Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:23 pm

Sure, post the penalty statistics if you have them.

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Post by It Must Be Love Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:24 pm

I do remain sceptical though, it is very easy to call conspiracy when it's not existent.

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:27 pm

Here you go Starlight, again everyone has a bias. I can't read the guys mind and make no conclusion on his intent or corruption. I just look at his results and the track record he has.

Here is the site I was referencing:

http://www.7amkickoff.com/2013/mike-dean-versus-arsenal/

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Post by Guest Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:27 pm

Socal, me saying the bubble has burst, was just in relation to Arsenal now not having it their own way of sorts & having the seven point lead removed. Of course, your still in a great position in the league but what people are saying is just that it's very telling the recent results & that they show that Arsenal will more than likely fall short in May. I don't think people are anti-arsenal, I enjoy watching them play. My issue with them, has always been Giroud & how he will single handedly stop Arsenal winning anything. I just think people like to jump on Arsenal because you bring up all this nonsense about the ref & how hard done by you have been. Please get over it quickly, it's life, it's the EPL, it's football.....these things happen.

As for giroud, did you see the rant Piers Morgan had last night.

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Giroud disappears against every big team. Good player, big heart, works hard...but not good enough to win us trophies. #Afc

-Piers Morgan        ✔ @piersmorgan
Ugh. #Giroud

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Giroud looking out of his depth in a big game once again. Just too slow. #Afc

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Post by Guest Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:29 pm

Piers Morgan is a prat though. He has a history of bashing his own team.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:30 pm

So in that whole time he's given the opposition 5 penalties and given Arsenal 2, that seems like a real conspiracy there.

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Post by Duty281 Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:00 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:So in that whole time he's given the opposition 5 penalties and given Arsenal 2, that seems like a real conspiracy there.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/michael-dean/bilanz/schiedsrichter_379.html

He's given three penalties for West Ham, and eight against!  Shocked 

Is that a conspiracy? You may well ask.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:13 pm

Seems to be some real bias there giving a huge 5 penalties against Arsenal in 46 games, wow.

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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:25 pm

John wrote:Socal, me saying the bubble has burst, was just in relation to Arsenal now not having it their own way of sorts & having the seven point lead removed. Of course, your still in a great position in the league but what people are saying is just that it's very telling the recent results & that they show that Arsenal will more than likely fall short in May. I don't think people are anti-arsenal, I enjoy watching them play. My issue with them, has always been Giroud & how he will single handedly stop Arsenal winning anything. I just think people like to jump on Arsenal because you bring up all this nonsense about the ref & how hard done by you have been. Please get over it quickly, it's life, it's the EPL, it's football.....these things happen.

As for giroud, did you see the rant Piers Morgan had last night.

-Piers Morgan        ✔ @piersmorgan
Giroud disappears against every big team. Good player, big heart, works hard...but not good enough to win us trophies. #Afc

-Piers Morgan        ✔ @piersmorgan
Ugh. #Giroud

-Piers Morgan        ✔ @piersmorgan

Giroud looking out of his depth in a big game once again. Just too slow. #Afc

Well John, Giroud I don't think I have ever sold him as the answer to Arsenal's title woes. I think pretty much every Arsenal fan has been pining for a great striker and I would not be any different in that respects. I do think he is a good player but should be more of a squad player than a focal point for a side that wants to win the championship.

As in regards to the officiating, I have actually been pretty evenhanded if you read my posts. Other than my ribbing of United fans for being the refs darlings. For example I have mentioned Chelsea's bad luck last year when they lost at home to United on two clear offsides goals. I don't like bad officiating across the board and have very little tolerance for it. That is why I have supported both goal line technology and I want a system set up for offsides that is mechanized and instaneous. I have even less tolerance for it when it happens against Arsenal. And Dean was attrocious and has a pretty crazy track record against Arsenal that no other referee has. Simply accepting mediocrity or not scrutinizing these decisions leads to a dangerous situation for the integrity of the game. I don't assume a ref is or is not corrupt, but I know that the game of football is hardly as driven as pure snow. And that complacency in this regard is an invitation to disaster. The EPL is probably the cleanest league in that regards but not if we coddle and excuse their mistakes or biases, well it won't be clean for long.


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Post by socal1976 Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:29 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:So in that whole time he's given the opposition 5 penalties and given Arsenal 2, that seems like a real conspiracy there.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/michael-dean/bilanz/schiedsrichter_379.html

He's given three penalties for West Ham, and eight against!  Shocked 

Is that a conspiracy? You may well ask.

You are fixated on a conspiracy he could be incompetent and biased and no conspiracy is involved. By the way don't be so dismissive you do know that there is a mountain of cases across the world in sports of officials, players, etc. being on the take. The major league baseball championship was famously fixed in 1919 with 8 players being banned for life.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:38 pm

That was almost 100 years ago until there is any proof of corruption I'll happily consider it to be human error. As for our game against Chelsea last season what the 3-3 draw the year before when we could have had a penalty as well as Ivanovic and Cahill being possibly sent off? Or does that not fit into your theory of United getting the rub of the green. The reality is the top teams get more penalties because they spend more time in the opposition penalty area.

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Post by It Must Be Love Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:39 pm

socal1976 wrote:Here you go Starlight, again everyone has a bias. I can't read the guys mind and make no conclusion on his intent or corruption. I just look at his results and the track record he has.

Here is the site I was referencing:

http://www.7amkickoff.com/2013/mike-dean-versus-arsenal/
I'm sorry Socal, I see nothing in that link which convinces me there's corruption/ bias.
If you can show me game after game where Dean systematically makes mistakes against Arsenal that would be something, but these stats don't even show that.

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