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Post by Duty281 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:46 pm

socal1976 wrote:
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socal1976 wrote:I hope no English referees go to the world cup, they will embarass themselves they are just flat terrible. But since you guys love to defend incompetence and enjoy substandard officiating I am sure nothing will be done about it.

I can tell you're a yank pretty easily. I can almost hear an accent coming off the screen.

What gave me away Sherlock the fact that I pointed out the USA's unbeaten record against the vaunted 3 lions in World cups.

You mean 2 games? Wow, what a record.

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Post by socal1976 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:51 pm

Duty281 wrote:
socal1976 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
socal1976 wrote:I hope no English referees go to the world cup, they will embarass themselves they are just flat terrible. But since you guys love to defend incompetence and enjoy substandard officiating I am sure nothing will be done about it.

I can tell you're a yank pretty easily. I can almost hear an accent coming off the screen.

What gave me away Sherlock the fact that I pointed out the USA's unbeaten record against the vaunted 3 lions in World cups.

You mean 2 games? Wow, what a record.

Yes because those are the only two games we have seen bad refereeing impact the result, just watch any Mike Dean officiated match. You guys are so knee jerk patriotic that you will even defend incompetent officials because they are english. I see the same thing with Suarez. The guy is a genius probably the best footballer in the world this year, and all I hear is nonsensical diminishing of the guy. You know if Suarez' name Anglo-Saxon and he played for the three lions why do I have a feeling that you guys would overlook his transgressions and cream your shorts over him.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:57 pm

socal1976 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
socal1976 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
socal1976 wrote:I hope no English referees go to the world cup, they will embarass themselves they are just flat terrible. But since you guys love to defend incompetence and enjoy substandard officiating I am sure nothing will be done about it.

I can tell you're a yank pretty easily. I can almost hear an accent coming off the screen.

What gave me away Sherlock the fact that I pointed out the USA's unbeaten record against the vaunted 3 lions in World cups.

You mean 2 games? Wow, what a record.

Yes because those are the only two games we have seen bad  refereeing impact the result, just watch any Mike Dean officiated match. You guys are so knee jerk patriotic that you will even defend incompetent officials because they are english. I see the same thing with Suarez. The guy is a genius probably the best footballer in the world this year, and all I hear is nonsensical diminishing of the guy. You know if Suarez'  name Anglo-Saxon and he played for the three lions why do I have a feeling that you guys would overlook his transgressions and cream your shorts over him.

Knee jerk patriotic? Have you been to this fair isle recently?

Most people in this land are not patriotic - I consider myself an exception.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:01 pm

SoCal come on mate.. Just leave it. There is no good in this nonsense.

There is no one but duty diminishing Suarez and he is still entitled to his opinion.

We also are allways talking about bad referring in the PL. I have no problem with you pointing that out ....The nonsense is you stating we are happy with it  or that there are worse than others. The FA is actually the most proactive out there. And the first to use video goal line tech. If FIFA wasn't such a closed shop you could bet your last dollar the FA would be pioneering more ways to help the refs impossible jobs.

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Post by socal1976 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:03 pm

Duty281 wrote:
socal1976 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
socal1976 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
socal1976 wrote:I hope no English referees go to the world cup, they will embarass themselves they are just flat terrible. But since you guys love to defend incompetence and enjoy substandard officiating I am sure nothing will be done about it.

I can tell you're a yank pretty easily. I can almost hear an accent coming off the screen.

What gave me away Sherlock the fact that I pointed out the USA's unbeaten record against the vaunted 3 lions in World cups.

You mean 2 games? Wow, what a record.

Yes because those are the only two games we have seen bad  refereeing impact the result, just watch any Mike Dean officiated match. You guys are so knee jerk patriotic that you will even defend incompetent officials because they are english. I see the same thing with Suarez. The guy is a genius probably the best footballer in the world this year, and all I hear is nonsensical diminishing of the guy. You know if Suarez'  name Anglo-Saxon and he played for the three lions why do I have a feeling that you guys would overlook his transgressions and cream your shorts over him.

Knee jerk patriotic? Have you been to this fair isle recently?



Most people in this land are not patriotic - I consider myself an exception.

Not when it comes to football and not you guys. Frankly the standard of premier league officiating is so obviously awful I scratch my head at how staunch some of the defense of them is. And then all this nonsense about foreign players damaging your national team leads me to believe that when it comes to football alot of you are mind numbingly nationalistic. That is fine you got every right, but as an outsider looking in it is kind of amusing to me.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:06 pm

English officiating is so terrible that the last World Cup final was reffed by an Englishman. #shockhorror

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Post by socal1976 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:10 pm

mystiroakey wrote:SoCal come on mate.. Just leave it. There is no good in this nonsense.

There is no one but duty diminishing Suarez and he is still entitled to his opinion.

We also are allways talking about bad referring in the PL. I have no problem with you pointing that out ....The nonsense is you stating we are happy with it  or that there are worse than others. The FA is actually the most proactive out there. And the first to use video goal line tech. If FIFA wasn't such a closed shop you could bet your last dollar the FA would be pioneering more ways to help the refs impossible jobs.

Its my honest opinion. I watch football in other leagues and EPL is some of the worst. I wish the officials were less proactive that is part of their problem. The best officials are the ones who don't interject themselves in the match and you hardly even know they are there. A less proactive official would never have disallowed that wonder goal in Newcastle today. I watch La liga and bundesliga pretty regularly and neither league has as much bad officiating. One league they are quick with the whistle and in Germany they let you play unless you butcher the guy at least there is consistency. In the EPL you have these officials who seem to look for a reason to interject themselves into the match. Meanwhile one week I watch mike dean sponsor a kick about in Arsenal and not call a clear penalty and a clear red card in the Arsenal v. Chelsea match and then I watch Sterling commit a handball and then chuck himself down in the box and get a penalty called. I watch other leagues and can't think of any league with more point changing bad calls and inconsistency than the EPL.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:13 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGq7VcaHoqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WML0aP4jo_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LDD9AJcmI

Ah, foreign officiating. You're simply the best!

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Post by Duty281 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:16 pm

socal1976 wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:SoCal come on mate.. Just leave it. There is no good in this nonsense.

There is no one but duty diminishing Suarez and he is still entitled to his opinion.

We also are allways talking about bad referring in the PL. I have no problem with you pointing that out ....The nonsense is you stating we are happy with it  or that there are worse than others. The FA is actually the most proactive out there. And the first to use video goal line tech. If FIFA wasn't such a closed shop you could bet your last dollar the FA would be pioneering more ways to help the refs impossible jobs.

Its my honest opinion. I watch football in other leagues and EPL is some of the worst. I wish the officials were less proactive that is part of their problem. The best officials are the ones who don't interject themselves in the match and you hardly even know they are there. A less proactive official would never have disallowed that wonder goal in Newcastle today. I watch La liga and bundesliga pretty regularly and neither league has as much bad officiating. One league they are quick with the whistle and in Germany they let you play unless you butcher the guy at least there is consistency. In the EPL you have these officials who seem to look for a reason to interject themselves into the match. Meanwhile one week I watch mike dean sponsor a kick about in Arsenal and not call a clear penalty and a clear red card in the Arsenal v. Chelsea match and then I watch Sterling commit a handball and then chuck himself down in the box and get a penalty called.  I watch other leagues and can't think of any league with more point changing bad calls and inconsistency than the EPL.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:18 pm

I think you missed the point of proactive.

We all watch football from all over SoCal. You do not have any upper hand on that here.

England is one of the least patriotic nations out there. And the USA is one of the most blindly patriotic out there.

I think the problem is more about your feelings towards England tbh. Officiating is no better or worse in the other top leagues. And that is without any bias whatsoever.

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Post by socal1976 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:19 pm

Like I said that is my opinion from watching football, I understand others might not share it. But it seems like there are dubious calls in a huge number of matches, which I just don't notice it when I watch other leagues as much. Yes there are bad mistakes at all levels in every league, but the EPL should have a high standard of officiating and sadly it is one of the worst.

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Post by socal1976 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:23 pm

mystiroakey wrote:I think you missed the point of proactive.

We all watch football from all over SoCal. You do not have any upper hand on that here.

England is one of the least patriotic nations out there. And the USA is one of the most blindly patriotic out there.

I think the problem is more about your feelings towards England tbh. Officiating is no better or worse in the other top leagues. And that is without any bias whatsoever.

I like England and the English, I even root for your national team most of the time. My honest opinion is that I wouldn't let an English referee call my 10 year old nephew's football match. I like your beer, I like fish and chips, love English writers, love the EPL an Arsenal; but English refs are the worst not one of your lovely country's finest accomplishments.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:26 pm

That just proves you have an issue with the English.

I mean that is pure nonsense.. You wouldn't let an English ref ref your kids game..

Seriously mate that is pretty ludicrous , paranoid and xenaphobic.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:29 pm

socal1976 wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:I think you missed the point of proactive.

We all watch football from all over SoCal. You do not have any upper hand on that here.

England is one of the least patriotic nations out there. And the USA is one of the most blindly patriotic out there.

I think the problem is more about your feelings towards England tbh. Officiating is no better or worse in the other top leagues. And that is without any bias whatsoever.

I like England and the English, I even root for your national team most of the time. My honest opinion is that I wouldn't let an English referee call my 10 year old nephew's football match. I like your beer, I like fish and chips, love English writers, love the EPL an Arsenal; but English refs are the worst not one of your lovely country's finest accomplishments.

And somehow, I bet that if you supported a German team, say Dortmund, you wouldn't care about the English refs - you'd just have a massive chip on your shoulder about German refs.

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Post by westisbest on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:29 pm

I like american woman.

Especially the ones who look good in a bikini.

The accent does it for me.


Arsenal fan you say socal. Defeat for you tomorrow night Very Happy

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:29 pm

mystiroakey wrote:

We also are allways talking about bad referring in the PL. I have no problem with you pointing that out ....The nonsense is you stating we are happy with it  or that there are worse than others. The FA is actually the most proactive out there. And the first to use video goal line tech. If FIFA wasn't such a closed shop you could bet your last dollar the FA would be pioneering more ways to help the refs impossible jobs.

You make a good point here Mysti. The Premier League and FA are trying to help out the refs in this country, UEFA/FIFA are doing sweet bugger all especially UEFA who seem stuck in the stone age
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Post by Duty281 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:32 pm

Olly wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:

We also are allways talking about bad referring in the PL. I have no problem with you pointing that out ....The nonsense is you stating we are happy with it  or that there are worse than others. The FA is actually the most proactive out there. And the first to use video goal line tech. If FIFA wasn't such a closed shop you could bet your last dollar the FA would be pioneering more ways to help the refs impossible jobs.

You make a good point here Mysti. The Premier League and FA are trying to help out the refs in this country, UEFA/FIFA are doing sweet bugger all especially UEFA who seem stuck in the stone age

Platini's got it covered with this extra officials behind the goal lark.

Remove human error by adding more humans - sorted!

Not.

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Post by socal1976 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:53 pm

westisbest wrote:I like american woman.

Especially the ones who look good in a bikini.

The accent does it for me.


Arsenal fan you say socal. Defeat for you tomorrow night Very Happy

American girls love you English lads accents as well so I hear. You villains will get your payback bank on it. PS English music from the late 70s and 80s also really great (joy division, police, clash etc.). English referees just plain awful, like your weather I am I complete objective; every one has their positives and negatives.

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Post by socal1976 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:54 pm

Olly wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:

We also are allways talking about bad referring in the PL. I have no problem with you pointing that out ....The nonsense is you stating we are happy with it  or that there are worse than others. The FA is actually the most proactive out there. And the first to use video goal line tech. If FIFA wasn't such a closed shop you could bet your last dollar the FA would be pioneering more ways to help the refs impossible jobs.

You make a good point here Mysti. The Premier League and FA are trying to help out the refs in this country, UEFA/FIFA are doing sweet bugger all especially UEFA who seem stuck in the stone age

UEFA/FIFA wow the FA is great compared to those bunch of criminals. Blatter is slightly more trustworthy than a Mafia Don, way to set the bar high.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:58 pm

Have you missed the actual point of the post SoCal.

Please there is no need for to talk about the police or fish and chips. We don't care. 

You are grouping a nation with every breath you take!!

We are varied people. We are not one. There is literally no objectivity with your posts.

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Post by westisbest on Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:02 pm

Irish my man. I know american ladies love the accent.

Anyway onto tomorrow night.

We will have to play very well to get the 3 points.

Am hoping for another performance like he one when Man City came to VP.

Bout damn time Tekkers found the net.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:26 pm

I'd take English refs over any in the world, they make mistakes but I'd rather take a ref who tries to let a game flow over a Spanish ref who calls a foul for any little infraction. The two worst decisions I can remember were against English teams by foreign refs to the benefit to English teams.

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Post by Liam on Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:28 pm

God who cares! some of the decisions this season in the prem have been darn right awful, worse than any other season I can think of. Refs are like players really, they have some good games and they have some bad ones. Refs are different due to the culture of the countries football. Spanish football is very different to English football so inevitably is reffed slightly different.

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Post by Ent on Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:44 pm

Shocking couple of decisions in that stoke game.

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Post by Ent on Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:59 pm

That's offside, he has to duck out of the way of the ball to avoid it hitting him- how is he not interfering with play?

Gouffran shouldn't have been so lazy.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:04 pm

He's not interfering because he's not affected the play in any way, he isn't in the eyeline of any City players.

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Post by Ent on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:06 pm

He had to dive out of the way of the ball, wen it was struck he was active/Interfering with play.

It's very unfortunate but Newcastle should be angry that he was so lazy and didn't get out with the defenders.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:07 pm

How is he active or interfering when he doesn't affect the ball or the play?

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Post by Ent on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:09 pm

When the ball is struck he is standing between the ball and the net, he needed to move to avoid being hit.

Can't complain about being offside if your player makes no effort to stay onside.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:11 pm

You're still not answering the question of how he interferes in the play?

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Post by Ent on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:12 pm

Gouffrans also lazy for city's opener, maybe Newcastle should look a bit closer to home for who to blame for this result.

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Post by Ent on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:13 pm

Because the ball would have hit him, you know it's offside wen the player kicks the ball - you don't wait and see what happens and then decide.

If gouffran walks out, never mind makes a proper effort to get out, it's a goal.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:15 pm

So I assume you think our first goal against Swansea yesterday was also offside then Ent because of Valencia being in an offside position during the first phase of play?

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Post by Ent on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:18 pm

No, the opposite - he isn't active or interfering with play when the ball is struck.

What you have just given actually supports my position.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:20 pm

He quite clearly is active if he goes on to affect the play something he wouldn't have been able to do from an onside position, you can't have it both ways; either both are onside or offside.

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Post by Ent on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:23 pm

To be fair I forgot Williams headed that on, goal shouldn't have stood.

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Post by Ent on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:25 pm

Well no, you just don't understand the rule unfortunately.

It should have been offside (probably) as he is effecting Ashley Williams.

The phase thing is stupid, I agree, but it's legal by the rules.

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Post by The Special Juan on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:26 pm

Butland with a contender for save of the season there. I'm surprised Sorensen was starting ahead of him whilst Begovic is injured.
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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:26 pm

To be fair after the Evans own goal against Newcastle it is quite hard to feel any sympathy towards to them but it should have stood. If that goal shouldn't stand then one of the great goals of our time Scholes against Bradford shouldn't have either.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:28 pm

I understand the rule as well as anybody can ENT but seeing as he doesn't affect the play in any way (the keeper being the only thing he could affect) it shouldn't by the law book be offside.

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Post by The Special Juan on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:29 pm

Sturridge's moustache isn't as impressive as Ian Rush's. I thought there was something wrong with his lip at first!
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Post by Ent on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:34 pm

No you don't understand the phases etc, or you haven't made it clear that you do.

When tiote strikes the ball there are two offside Newcastle players in between it and the net, one of them has to move to avoid it hitting him- that is clearly active/interfering with play etc.

Very unfortunate but blame the lazy player - who cost his team a goal out of laziness 10 minutes into the match too.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:37 pm

I would say it is you who doesn't understand what interfering with play means but being the miserable sod you are i'm not surprised you think differently to everyone else.

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Post by Ent on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:37 pm

Just had a look at the scholes one, don't think there is a player offside and the one that might be isn't in the balls path.

Incidentally that goal was before the update of the offside rule as far as I can recall.

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Post by Ent on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:40 pm

Well if the ball is going to hit you unless you move I think it makes you active/interfering.

Unfortunate but gouffran just shouldn't have been lazy.

The way you talked about the phases in our goal makes me think you don't understand the rule, you might but you haven't made it clear.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:40 pm

Andy Cole is in a direct line between the ball and the goalkeeper when the ball is struck in an offside position.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:41 pm

During the first phase when Januzaj crosses Valencia is in an offside position, during the second phase when Kagawa heads the ball he is not, when the goalkeeper saves the header the third phase he also isn't.

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Post by Ent on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:43 pm

No he isn't.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:43 pm

The Special Juan wrote:Butland with a contender for save of the season there. I'm surprised Sorensen was starting ahead of him whilst Begovic is injured.

He was on loan at Barnsley TSJ. Plus from what I saw today, he doesn't look like he commands his area at all
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Post by Ent on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:44 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:During the first phase when Januzaj crosses Valencia is in an offside position, during the second phase when Kagawa heads the ball he is not, when the goalkeeper saves the header the third phase he also isn't.

Yes he is in an offside position initially, but deemed inactive. I think he effects Williams and it could have been given offside.

He isn't when kagawa heads it correct.

He can't be offside when an opposition player plays the ball so that isn't a 3rd phase.

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