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Post by Crimey on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 10:22 am

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Post by compelling and rich on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:12 pm

agree with john that half the players wouldnt have been booked in the first place if it werent for the wrongly disallowed goal, so dont buy the newcastle players should have been sent off so its evened out

newcastle deserved at least a draw

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Post by NickisBHAFC on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:15 pm

Stoke 0-1 Liverpool

Cruel cruel goal. Huge deflection of Ryan Shawcross.

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Post by owen10ozzy on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:22 pm

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hampo171 wrote:Well done ref? Yes well done ref for not sending off two Newcastle players, had he done that this score could have been a lot more one sided.

I'm inclined to think that, for this game at least, the officiating has evened out.

But the question is...why has it evened out? It certainly has nothing to do with the ref being any good. Had he not made that decision in the first half then he would have sent both players off in the 2nd, without a doubt in my mind. If anything that makes his decision making worse; he has gone against his natural judgement in an effort to restore parity to a game which he has affected in the first place! Just all round pi** poor officiating and not for the first time this season.

Ziggler - I can understand your point regards the standard of officiating and the fact it is easy when seeing it from our angles on tv etc; yet that does not mean the refs should escape judgement especially on decisions where, lets be frank, they have the best view in the house. The angle Jones was at for that goal meant he more than anyone should have seen Gouffran was not interfering in play.

Every week now I hear analysts and fans say 'oh with the benefit of hindsight it's easy to say the ref got it wrong'...and of course their is a degree of truth to that; however it seems to be used to consistently protect the refs from the poor decisions that continuously get made.

Whilst on the whole the standard of refereeing has improved, the consistency in decisions being made from one week to the next has got worse in my opinion, especially over the past 2 seasons. Yes it is a difficult job to do and the abuse they receive is hard for anyone to take...however they have decided that this is the career they wish to have...and they are rewarded extremely well. The average top flight ref earns in the region of £65,000 a year these days! For that amount of money they should be held accountable for the decisions they get wrong....they very rarely are!

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:29 pm

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Duty281 wrote:
hampo171 wrote:Well done ref? Yes well done ref for not sending off two Newcastle players, had he done that this score could have been a lot more one sided.

I'm inclined to think that, for this game at least, the officiating has evened out.

But the question is...why has it evened out? It certainly has nothing to do with the ref being any good. Had he not made that decision in the first half then he would have sent both players off in the 2nd, without a doubt in my mind. If anything that makes his decision making worse; he has gone against his natural judgement in an effort to restore parity to a game which he has affected in the first place! Just all round pi** poor officiating and not for the first time this season.

The average top flight ref earns in the region of £65,000 a year these days! For that amount of money they should be held accountable for the decisions they get wrong....they very rarely are!

Oh yes, if it has evened out then it's very much a case of "two wrongs make a right" which is never the best way to approach something. Newcastle should have had a goal, but they should have also been down to ten men for a significant proportion of the game.

And whilst referees earn that much in a year, I can't help but think that it's not very much. I mean, in the context of top-level football as a whole, it's not a very large slice of the money tree, is it?

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:38 pm

John wrote:Feck off. Players were only over aggressive because they were infuriated with the dissalowed goal. Ref was being lenient trying to make up for his mistake & the players like Cabaye picked up on that n took advantage.

City were shocking today. Hardly even deserved the win. How can you say the score would of been much more. Only reason they scored at end was because we were gung ho trying to equalise. Would never of been that open if it were rightfully 1-1. They hardly peppered our goal?

Shockingly unlucky today. Referee was appalling.

Spot on John, the dreadful decision led to the bad tackling so no in reference to the decisions evening out, they did not.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:42 pm

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:43 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
John wrote:Feck off. Players were only over aggressive because they were infuriated with the dissalowed goal. Ref was being lenient trying to make up for his mistake & the players like Cabaye picked up on that n took advantage.

City were shocking today. Hardly even deserved the win. How can you say the score would of been much more. Only reason they scored at end was because we were gung ho trying to equalise. Would never of been that open if it were rightfully 1-1. They hardly peppered our goal?

Shockingly unlucky today. Referee was appalling.

Spot on John, the dreadful decision led to the bad tackling so no in reference to the decisions evening out, they did not.

Is that a fair excuse though? We got a bad decision, so it's fine to try and kick the sh!te out of the opposition?

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:48 pm

No it isn't. Pardew probably didn't need to call Pellegrini what he did either

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:49 pm

It's an understandable consequence and with the butterfly effect if the goal is awarded it changes the rest of the game, Newcastle could have gone on to win or City could have kicked into gear and won easier.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:54 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:No it isn't. Pardew probably didn't need to call Pellegrini what he did either

Yeah calling him a "fu""ing old c**t" isn't going to play well with the FA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXae_V1VnvQ

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2-2! Where's that come from?!

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 4:58 pm

Get in there, two former Pool rejects coming back to score, come on Stoke.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:05 pm

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:06 pm

Will never ever understand why people rate Glen Johnson
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Post by Guest on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:07 pm

What's happening here then? Probably go on to lose now.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:10 pm

FreekShow wrote:What's happening here then? Probably go on to lose now.

Banbury won 3-2 yesterday, will Liverpool do the same?

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:12 pm

Watching that decision again, Jones deserves a good smack and to be struck off, totally inept and Hart what a scumbag.

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Post by Guest on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:21 pm

Wow the refereeing is really going to be under scrutiny today. Never a pen in a million years

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Post by Lumbering_Jack on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:21 pm

Equally inept refereeing being shown in the late kick off too. What a shambles.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:21 pm

After that nice dive from Sterling think it's about time you pool fans kept quiet about Januzaj and Young.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:22 pm

I gotta admit I thought it was a pen, doesn't excuse the atrocious defending in the first place
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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:23 pm

Olly wrote:I gotta admit I thought it was a pen, doesn't excuse the atrocious defending in the first place

You mean Sterling blocking the ball with his hand?

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Post by compelling and rich on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:27 pm

another shocking decision, although stokes defending has been woeful

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:28 pm

A few more of those please Ryan.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:30 pm

The replays clearly showed it wasn't hand ball HH, there was also contact in the Sterling incident unlike the majority that involve Young and Juanazaj thumbsup
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Post by LastDamnation on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:31 pm

Anthony Taylor quick to reclaim the crown of worst referee in the prem

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:32 pm

hampo171 wrote:The replays clearly showed it wasn't hand ball HH, there was also contact in the Sterling incident unlike the majority that involve Young and Juanazaj thumbsup

You should take those blinkers off Hampo but then again you Pool fans are happy having Suarez at your club which says it all really.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:33 pm

Are you saying there wasn't contact? I haven't said it was a penalty, it was a very harsh one.
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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:35 pm

Contact or not it's still a dive, no different to Welbeck against Tottenham, as for it not being handball well it was.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:37 pm

Hit him in the shoulder, you can't give handball for that. The Welbeck one? I can only remember the blatent dive when there was no contact.
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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:38 pm

The blatent dive where there was clear contact which doesn't alter it being a dive, it hit his upper arm not his shoulder. To be honest i've lost all respect for Liverpool as a football club so hate seeing them getting dodgy decisions.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:40 pm

What a striker

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Post by Lumbering_Jack on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:40 pm

Harsh certainly isn't the word to describe that penalty. It is a joke of a decision.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:41 pm

There was a video posted on here mate that showed the defender made no contact, he pulled his leg away before he touched Welbeck.

Sturridge makes an instant impact and a quality finish from Suarez!
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Post by Lumbering_Jack on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:42 pm

hampo171 wrote:Hit him in the shoulder, you can't give handball for that. The Welbeck one? I can only remember the blatent dive when there was no contact.

It his his arm. But I don't think it should be penalised for that, was ball to hand.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:42 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:What a striker

I could watch him play all day. Unbelievable player
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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:43 pm

I watch him just in the hope he gets Ramsey'd or Eduardo'd.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:44 pm

They will get top four because of him, combined with the weakness of competition. They have a reasonably average side, but Suarez is world class

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Post by Lumbering_Jack on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:44 pm

Olly wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:What a striker

I could watch him play all day. Unbelievable player

He's such a cheating Kumquat though. First half he went down under that challenge from the Stoke GK. He never touched him.

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Post by NickisBHAFC on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:45 pm

I actually feel 4-2 is a bit harsh on Stoke. Hopefully they can get another one will make the last 10 minutes interesting.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:45 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I watch him just in the hope he gets Ramsey'd or Eduardo'd.

Pretty sad

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Post by NickisBHAFC on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:46 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I watch him just in the hope he gets Ramsey'd or Eduardo'd.

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Tbf if anyone does that before the World Cup, they deserve to be knighted!!!

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:47 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:I watch him just in the hope he gets Ramsey'd or Eduardo'd.

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Tbf if anyone does that before the World Cup, they deserve to be knighted!!!

They would become an instant hero.

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Post by Crimey on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:48 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I watch him just in the hope he gets Ramsey'd or Eduardo'd.

It's only a game...

The kind of comment you'd expect from a child football fan.

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Post by The Special Juan on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:50 pm

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Hammersmith harrier wrote:I watch him just in the hope he gets Ramsey'd or Eduardo'd.

It's only a game...

The kind of comment you'd expect from a child football fan.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:51 pm

Sorry but biting, cheating racists don't deserve to be paid the amount of money he does but because he plays for your team it's alright. In any other job he'd be marginalised and sacked and rightly so.

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Post by owen10ozzy on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:52 pm

Definitely not a hand ball & provides a perfect example of my discussion with Dolphin earlier.

Suarez at it again, simply sensational player; whilst some will question him as a person and Liverpool as a club for sticking behind him....he is paying it back too fold for the club now and you have to give some credit to everyone involved because by standing by him and throwing their support (and contract) behind him they have arguably got the best out of him now.

As for the penalty, very very harsh one....another example of the inconsistencies we were talking about earlier when it comes to refereeing.

Harrier - comments such as that regards Suarez makes you no better than him in all honesty; the only reason you probably hope that is so that he doesn't rip our national side apart when it comes to the match! I don't hear you giving the same kind of abuse to Terry...or Ronaldo who has cheated various times, or indeed Young who has cheated the system plenty of times...


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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:54 pm

Wow Mignolet that was horrific
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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:54 pm

I give Terry exactly the same abuse, I refused to watch England while he was in the team after the Anton Ferdinand affair, he's a disgrace who shouldn't have been anywhere near the england team.

As for Young and Ronaldo, do remind me when they have bitten and racially abused an opposition player?

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Post by Hulking_up on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:56 pm

What a game SAS!

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 12 Jan 2014, 5:56 pm

Oh the keeper doesn't deserve that. What a game!

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