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Post by lfc91 on Thu 23 Jan 2014, 8:49 pm

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Same here hammersmith, the plastic fans drive me crazy! In 2003 i could count the amount of city/chelsea fans i knew on 1 hand, now its like an epidemic!

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Post by Crimey on Sat 01 Feb 2014, 1:34 am

Olly wrote:Can someone explain to me why Liverpool were prepared to splash on this Konoplonker bloke at like £16m yet not Salah when he was obviously their main target?

Perhaps Salah was the main target because he was the cheaper option?

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Post by The Fourth Lion on Sat 01 Feb 2014, 5:35 am

This has gotta be a joke, right..?   I know Wiki has a reputation for allowing the occasional bit of incorrect information to creep through, but if it is a wind up (it has to be, surely) then kudos to the bloke who put it there..!!  It's the best bit of transfer "information" I've seen in a long time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_F.C.

(quote):   "on the 25/01/2014 Nelson FC confirmed that they had reached an agreement to sign Ali Jewman Hassan from Jerusalem FC for a world record fee of 40,000,000 Israeli Sheks. Ali said in an interview 'I am very happy to sign for Nelson FC however there are not many synagogues around in this area so as the king rabbi of all jews I find it really hard to pray to my festive friends."
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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 01 Feb 2014, 6:27 am

How and why did you find that?

Yes wiki is actually very accurate on the whole. But it is only accurate due to members constantly updating and verifying incorrect and correct data.

Anyone can make any page they want if it isn't already made.. And anyone can add info to pages.. Normally when people add lies like this one they will be gone very shortly

You will find 1000's of incorrect pages and info on low hit wiki pages It's everyone's job to change them when we see them.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sat 01 Feb 2014, 8:50 am

Can someone explain how a chairman can simply refuse to sign the paper work if a release clause has been met? Surely that's a breach of contract.
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Post by The Fourth Lion on Sat 01 Feb 2014, 9:02 am

mystiroakey wrote:How and why did you find that?

Yes wiki is actually very accurate on the whole. But it is only accurate due to members constantly updating and verifying incorrect and correct data.

Anyone can make any page they want if it isn't already made.. And anyone can add info to pages.. Normally when people add lies like this one they will be gone very shortly

You will find 1000's of incorrect pages and info on low hit wiki pages It's everyone's  job to change them when we see them.



The "how" was by clicking on Wiki and inserting a search for Nelson FC.   The "why"?   You'll never know...    Wink 

I'm aware of the state of play with Wiki and wouldn't normally post such things, but I spotted it and wondered if anybody could add anything to this one, such as whether there was a genuine transfer in the offing that was faltering for whatever reason, and the writer was simply lampooning it.

My own sense of mischief sometimes prompts me to add spoofs to posts in various places, just for a laugh.  Overwhelmingly I don't actually go through with it.  Not on here, at least.  I kinda figure it wouldn't be appreciated or tolerated.

But hell.....you have to admit that, as spoofs go, it may have been clumsy and easily seen through, but showed a delightfully  impudent lack of reverence for the site.  

Which should not entirely be discouraged.   Smile
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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 01 Feb 2014, 9:43 am

4th is an old trick mate and can only be effective on niche web pages these days. The wum has been going on for yonks though. All you need to do is create yourself an account and bingo you have the license to alter


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Post by Guest on Sat 01 Feb 2014, 11:34 am

By the next window, Joe Kinnear will have earned a year's wages and not brought in one permanent signing at NUFC  picard 


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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sat 01 Feb 2014, 3:21 pm

hampo171 wrote:Can someone explain how a chairman can simply refuse to sign the paper work if a release clause has been met? Surely that's a breach of contract.

Are you referring to Konoplyanka?

Would depend on whether it's a buy out clause or a release clause, the latter is very rare while the former requires the player himself to pay.

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Post by Lumbering_Jack on Sun 02 Feb 2014, 9:49 am

John wrote:By the next window, Joe Kinnear will have earned a year's wages and not brought in one permanent signing at NUFC  picard 


I thought you loved our policy of selling our best players and not using the funds to get in more talent.

Worked a treat yesterday. Mass chants to get the owner out. Might not have been so audible from your armchair.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Sun 02 Feb 2014, 10:11 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
hampo171 wrote:Can someone explain how a chairman can simply refuse to sign the paper work if a release clause has been met? Surely that's a breach of contract.

Are you referring to Konoplyanka?

Would depend on whether it's a buy out clause or a release clause, the latter is very rare while the former requires the player himself to pay.


According to Sky and the BBC it was a release clause.
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Post by Guest on Sun 02 Feb 2014, 10:51 am

Lumbering_Jack wrote:
John wrote:By the next window, Joe Kinnear will have earned a year's wages and not brought in one permanent signing at NUFC  picard 


I thought you loved our policy of selling our best players and not using the funds to get in more talent.

Worked a treat yesterday. Mass chants to get the owner out. Might not have been so audible from your armchair.

Another personal attack out of nowhere for one of my posts. Feel sorry for the people who live & work around you. You have to attack people behind the safety net of the internet, instead of in real life.

As for Newcastle, yes, indeed it was disappointing. Poor that we did not reinvest but there was no need to overspend on a player who didn't want to come in a WC year & Lyon knew how much money we had. As I said, selling Cabaye will hurt in the short term but will be beneficial in the long run.

Once again, you don't need to point out that you are a season ticket holder....AGAIN. Like your insults, they are becoming incredibly boring. Just because you sit there every week in the stands, putting money into Ashley`s pockets, does it mean you know more about the club or are as passionate about it as me or someone else. No.

John.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 02 Feb 2014, 12:04 pm

hampo171 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
hampo171 wrote:Can someone explain how a chairman can simply refuse to sign the paper work if a release clause has been met? Surely that's a breach of contract.

Are you referring to Konoplyanka?

Would depend on whether it's a buy out clause or a release clause, the latter is very rare while the former requires the player himself to pay.


According to Sky and the BBC it was a release clause.

From the reports surrounding the transfer it indicated that Liverpool had agreed a fee but were negotiating how it would be paid, if he has a release clause the selling club is under no obligation to sell unless the buying club offer the full amount up front.

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Post by Fernando on Sun 02 Feb 2014, 12:29 pm

Daily Mail with some expert Trolling this morning.

Robin van Persie could make a shock return to Arsenal in the summer.

if United succeed in persuading Wayne Rooney to stay rather than move to Chelsea or PSG.
It is understood that while Moyes seems to have made Rooney feel more comfortable at the club, there is an uneasy relationship between the new United boss and Van Persie.
I understand that Van Persie, whose goals fired United to the title last season, has been upset by the departure of Sir Alex Ferguson and his fellow Dutchman, coach Rene Meulensteen, who did much to persuade the striker to leave Arsenal to join United for £24million in the summer of 2012.

#Trolling

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Post by Lumbering_Jack on Sun 02 Feb 2014, 4:09 pm

John wrote:
Lumbering_Jack wrote:
John wrote:By the next window, Joe Kinnear will have earned a year's wages and not brought in one permanent signing at NUFC  picard 


I thought you loved our policy of selling our best players and not using the funds to get in more talent.

Worked a treat yesterday. Mass chants to get the owner out. Might not have been so audible from your armchair.

Another personal attack out of nowhere for one of my posts. Feel sorry for the people who live & work around you. You have to attack people behind the safety net of the internet, instead of in real life.

As for Newcastle, yes, indeed it was disappointing. Poor that we did not reinvest but there was no need to overspend on a player who didn't want to come in a WC year & Lyon knew how much money we had. As I said, selling Cabaye will hurt in the short term but will be beneficial in the long run.

Once again, you don't need to point out that you are a season ticket holder....AGAIN. Like your insults, they are becoming incredibly boring. Just because you sit there every week in the stands, putting money into Ashley`s pockets, does it mean you know more about the club or are as passionate about it as me or someone else. No.

John.

Selling your best player in beneficial? Ok then, if you say so.

Such was the disagreement of selling Cabeye that the owner and director of football were sang about by 50k fans. Your opinion, I would suggest, is in the minority. Rightly so as it's a load of nonsense.

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Post by Guest on Sun 02 Feb 2014, 7:50 pm

Pretty poor comeback. You clearly can't understand the difference between short term sacrifice & long term benefits. Cabeye, as you repeatedly spell it, wanted to leave, desired to leave & even left us in the s##t against City, while he rushed down to London to hold talks with Arsenal. You really want to build a team around a player that wants to leave? Bonkers, but that's you. The fans were angry at Ashley for not reinvesting, Cabaye leaving was an inevitability that knowledgeable & understanding fans accepted would happen.

We can't finish realistically higher than 7th or 8th & we won't get relegated, therefore keeping him for six months achieves nothing other than reducing his potential transfer fee and, in the process, reduces the amount of money we have available in the summer. If you look at the squad, it needs a big overhaul in the summer, replacing four or five players, that can now be achieved. One player does not make a team. To really succeed & progress you need a squad.

Arguing over this will go nowhere. Just accept we disagree. Let me guess though, you will be cheering whoever comes in this summer & does well for the club. All possible because of sealing an incredible transfer fee for a near 30 year old & giving us the benefit of building a new team, not just Cabaye FC.

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Post by Lumbering_Jack on Sun 02 Feb 2014, 9:13 pm

We won't reinvest in the summer. That isn't his style. All the transfer fee will achieve iis lining his pockets.

Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool. Rooney wanted to leave Man Utd. Both these clubs made big efforts to keep their best players, players you should be basing your team on.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 03 Feb 2014, 12:50 pm

John wrote:
Lumbering_Jack wrote:
John wrote:By the next window, Joe Kinnear will have earned a year's wages and not brought in one permanent signing at NUFC  picard 


I thought you loved our policy of selling our best players and not using the funds to get in more talent.

Worked a treat yesterday. Mass chants to get the owner out. Might not have been so audible from your armchair.

Another personal attack out of nowhere for one of my posts. Feel sorry for the people who live & work around you. You have to attack people behind the safety net of the internet, instead of in real life.

As for Newcastle, yes, indeed it was disappointing. Poor that we did not reinvest but there was no need to overspend on a player who didn't want to come in a WC year & Lyon knew how much money we had. As I said, selling Cabaye will hurt in the short term but will be beneficial in the long run.

Once again, you don't need to point out that you are a season ticket holder....AGAIN. Like your insults, they are becoming incredibly boring. Just because you sit there every week in the stands, putting money into Ashley`s pockets, does it mean you know more about the club or are as passionate about it as me or someone else. No.

John.

I wouldn't take anything lumberjack takes seriously, the guy is rather pathetic and always resorts to personal attacks.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 03 Feb 2014, 12:54 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:We won't reinvest in the summer. That isn't his style. All the transfer fee will achieve iis lining his pockets.

Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool. Rooney wanted to leave Man Utd. Both these clubs made big efforts to keep their best players, players you should be basing your team on.

I really hope this post is a joke. Man U kept Rooney because they offered him 250k a week. Also man U have the finances to be able to reject a 30 million bid.

If it was so easy for clubs to keep their best players how come best players are sold every year? eg Van Persie, Henry, Owen, Carroll, Ronaldo etc etc

Just because Man U kept rooney this summer doesn't mean every team in the world can reject any offers on their players because man u did.


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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 03 Feb 2014, 12:55 pm

John wrote:Pretty poor comeback. You clearly can't understand the difference between short term sacrifice & long term benefits. Cabeye, as you repeatedly spell it, wanted to leave, desired to leave & even left us in the s##t against City, while he rushed down to London to hold talks with Arsenal. You really want to build a team around a player that wants to leave? Bonkers, but that's you. The fans were angry at Ashley for not reinvesting, Cabaye leaving was an inevitability that knowledgeable & understanding fans accepted would happen.

We can't finish realistically higher than 7th or 8th & we won't get relegated, therefore keeping him for six months achieves nothing other than reducing his potential transfer fee and, in the process, reduces the amount of money we have available in the summer. If you look at the squad, it needs a big overhaul in the summer, replacing four or five players, that can now be achieved. One player does not make a team. To really succeed & progress you need a squad.

Arguing over this will go nowhere. Just accept we disagree. Let me guess though, you will be cheering whoever comes in this summer & does well for the club. All possible because of sealing an incredible transfer fee for a near 30 year old & giving us the benefit of building a new team, not just Cabaye FC.

John you are spot on regarding Cabaye and everyone on here has agreed with you including pundits etc.

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Post by Lumbering_Jack on Mon 03 Feb 2014, 7:34 pm

Get a room...

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Post by Marky on Mon 03 Feb 2014, 7:42 pm

hampo171 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
hampo171 wrote:Can someone explain how a chairman can simply refuse to sign the paper work if a release clause has been met? Surely that's a breach of contract.

Are you referring to Konoplyanka?

Would depend on whether it's a buy out clause or a release clause, the latter is very rare while the former requires the player himself to pay.


According to Sky and the BBC it was a release clause.

I don't think the chairman could have refused to sign the paperwork if there were days left of the transfer window. But hours? A simple case of "I've lost my pen" and the window is closed. Liverpool's fault really, no-one can complain if they fail to sign someone in the last hours of a transfer window when they've had an entire month to sign someone, and lost out on both targets they went for (Salah and Konoplyanka) because they were too slow in wrapping up any deal.

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