Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[Ent]

First topic message reminder :

Mancini was terrible, how I wish he was still there.

Should have walked the league the last 2 years with the squad he had and gotten out of his cl groups.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Terry isn't a racist, that was Anton Ferdinand being a cry baby and trying to make a name for himself.

Actually it was TV cameras picking up John Terry using racist language, but whatever.

Oh dear. Political correctness strikes again!

#nosurrender

political correctness when someone calls someone else a n****r???

[Hammersmith harrier]

Why not just call him a c**t, why prefix it with black, i'll tell you why he's a cretin. I don't really care either way, I have little respect for the Hodgson england team anyway.

[Duty281]

Terry isn't a racist, that was Anton Ferdinand being a cry baby and trying to make a name for himself.

Actually it was TV cameras picking up John Terry using racist language, but whatever.

Oh dear. Political correctness strikes again!

#nosurrender

political correctness when someone calls someone else a n****r???

Depends in what context. Quite a few black people call each other ni**er, I believe, and, along similar lines, plenty of gay people call each other fa**ot.

If you mean it as an insult...well it depends on the situation. Heat of the moment, like John Terry did with Ferdinand? Probably not racist, just something you'll regret.

[Duty281]

Why not just call him a c**t, why prefix it with black, i'll tell you why he's a cretin. I don't really care either way, I have little respect for the Hodgson england team anyway.

Because he said it in the heat of the moment without thinking?

[Marky]

Why not just call him a c**t, why prefix it with black, i'll tell you why he's a cretin. I don't really care either way, I have little respect for the Hodgson england team anyway.

Because he said it in the heat of the moment without thinking?

I don't think he's a racist, but you cant seriously defend him calling another player a "f**king black c*nt" can you? Context is important, his context was in an aggressive manner.

[Marky]

Terry isn't a racist, that was Anton Ferdinand being a cry baby and trying to make a name for himself.

Actually it was TV cameras picking up John Terry using racist language, but whatever.

Oh dear. Political correctness strikes again!

#nosurrender

political correctness when someone calls someone else a n****r???

He never said the N word. Bit of a difference.

Don't get why its political correctness when he clearly called him an insult which mentioned the colour of his skin.

[socal1976]

Terry isn't a racist, that was Anton Ferdinand being a cry baby and trying to make a name for himself.

Actually it was TV cameras picking up John Terry using racist language, but whatever.

Oh dear. Political correctness strikes again!

#nosurrender

political correctness when someone calls someone else a n****r???

Depends in what context. Quite a few black people call each other ni**er, I believe, and, along similar lines, plenty of gay people call each other fa**ot.

If you mean it as an insult...well it depends on the situation. Heat of the moment, like John Terry did with Ferdinand? Probably not racist, just something you'll regret.

Maybe John Terry is black homosexual is that the defense? We all know the context he was trying to insult him, there was nothing jocular or friendly about it. Either way  I would have Terry in there, he made a mistake and it isn't like everyone who has worn the shirt is as innocent as driven snow. The man has paid a price for what he has done and it wasn't like he beat him up or burned a cross on his lawn. I am no Terry fan but I don't know if a ban from international matches fits the crime, but it certainly was a punishable offense. He isn't a great guy JT we know that but this a football team not a church choir. Meatheads aren't very smart we all knew that already.

[Duty281]

Why not just call him a c**t, why prefix it with black, i'll tell you why he's a cretin. I don't really care either way, I have little respect for the Hodgson england team anyway.

Because he said it in the heat of the moment without thinking?

I don't think he's a racist, but you cant seriously defend him calling another player a "f**king black c*nt" can you? Context is important, his context was in an aggressive manner.

Meh. It wasn't much worse than the abuse Anton gave him.

Apart from....Terry threw the word "black" in!  

We can't have that in left-wing, politically correct, multicultural 21st Century Britain!

And I would willingly bet that if Anton called Terry a white c**t, not much would have been done or said.

[Ent]

The queue for the tram is mental at old Trafford. People leave 5 mins early to save them 30 minutes plus in traffic.

If you go every week that adds up.

I wouldn't leave early but I can see why some people do.

[guildfordbat]

Kinnear resigns

Extremely terse statement issued by Newcastle. None of the usual 'grateful for his service' and 'good wishes for the future'. Seems clear the ending has been very unpleasant.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Why not just call him a c**t, why prefix it with black, i'll tell you why he's a cretin. I don't really care either way, I have little respect for the Hodgson england team anyway.

Because he said it in the heat of the moment without thinking?

I don't think he's a racist, but you cant seriously defend him calling another player a "f**king black c*nt" can you? Context is important, his context was in an aggressive manner.

Meh. It wasn't much worse than the abuse Anton gave him.

Apart from....Terry threw the word "black" in!  

We can't have that in left-wing, politically correct, multicultural 21st Century Britain!

And I would willingly bet that if Anton called Terry a white c**t, not much would have been done or said.

Terry did say a racist insult, nothing about political correctness he used racist language.

[Mike Selig]

If we could get back to the football...

I wonder what game Pelligrini was watching? City the better side? Really? This is despite Chelsea hitting the woodwork 3 times and butchering an 18 on 1 at one point (so it seemed).

Matic MotM for me. Absolutely towering performance. Complete contrast with Demichelis who I've never rated. Chelsea walked over him basically.

I've wondered a few times this season whether City's balance is right. It looks great when it works and they're smashing 6 goals in (and in fairness they have played some awesome football) but against a side a bit more streetwise... well, Chelsea really carved them up today TBH.

Other topics of interest:
- thought the red card (or not as it turned out) was marginal. No issue with the call either way TBH. Not sure Oscar is away as cleanly as some are making out, and a long way out, so yellow understandable. Red would have been ok as well.
- Terry (sorry): clearly the best English playing CB at the moment. As far as I can tell, the FA (in a complete fudge) never said they wouldn't pick him, just that they wouldn't make him captain. I can't defend what he (allegedly) said, but either you accept you can pick him despite of it, or you don't. If not, no issue, I understand that stance; I don't understand saying "you can't be captain but you can play".

Finally, how good has Hazard been this season? Another mesmerising performance.

[Duty281]

Why not just call him a c**t, why prefix it with black, i'll tell you why he's a cretin. I don't really care either way, I have little respect for the Hodgson england team anyway.

Because he said it in the heat of the moment without thinking?

I don't think he's a racist, but you cant seriously defend him calling another player a "f**king black c*nt" can you? Context is important, his context was in an aggressive manner.

Meh. It wasn't much worse than the abuse Anton gave him.

Apart from....Terry threw the word "black" in!  

We can't have that in left-wing, politically correct, multicultural 21st Century Britain!

And I would willingly bet that if Anton called Terry a white c**t, not much would have been done or said.

Terry did say a racist insult, nothing about political correctness he used racist language.

He did say a racist insult, but that doesn't mean he's a racist...funnily enough.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Why not just call him a c**t, why prefix it with black, i'll tell you why he's a cretin. I don't really care either way, I have little respect for the Hodgson england team anyway.

Because he said it in the heat of the moment without thinking?

I don't think he's a racist, but you cant seriously defend him calling another player a "f**king black c*nt" can you? Context is important, his context was in an aggressive manner.

Meh. It wasn't much worse than the abuse Anton gave him.

Apart from....Terry threw the word "black" in!  

We can't have that in left-wing, politically correct, multicultural 21st Century Britain!

And I would willingly bet that if Anton called Terry a white c**t, not much would have been done or said.

Can I just add that you are a 'writer' for this website so you need to be careful about what views you say on this forum as it can really affect the website.

Thankfully using someone's skin colour as a means to insult them is severley frowned upon in this country and there are harsh consequences for the offender. Defending racist abuse by Terry is a rather extreme stance to have and one that will not get you very far in life.

[Marky]

Why not just call him a c**t, why prefix it with black, i'll tell you why he's a cretin. I don't really care either way, I have little respect for the Hodgson england team anyway.

Because he said it in the heat of the moment without thinking?

I don't think he's a racist, but you cant seriously defend him calling another player a "f**king black c*nt" can you? Context is important, his context was in an aggressive manner.

Meh. It wasn't much worse than the abuse Anton gave him.

Apart from....Terry threw the word "black" in!  

We can't have that in left-wing, politically correct, multicultural 21st Century Britain!

And I would willingly bet that if Anton called Terry a white c**t, not much would have been done or said.

He called him a black c*nt. He didn't call him black, if he just said "Anton, you're black" it wouldn't be racist. But he called him a black c*nt. If Anton called Terry a white c*nt and was caught doing so on camera doing it, he would have received the same punishment from the FA. It was racist language, end of. I don't think he is a racist, but theres absolutely no question he used racist language.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Why not just call him a c**t, why prefix it with black, i'll tell you why he's a cretin. I don't really care either way, I have little respect for the Hodgson england team anyway.

Because he said it in the heat of the moment without thinking?

I don't think he's a racist, but you cant seriously defend him calling another player a "f**king black c*nt" can you? Context is important, his context was in an aggressive manner.

Meh. It wasn't much worse than the abuse Anton gave him.

Apart from....Terry threw the word "black" in!  

We can't have that in left-wing, politically correct, multicultural 21st Century Britain!

And I would willingly bet that if Anton called Terry a white c**t, not much would have been done or said.

Terry did say a racist insult, nothing about political correctness he used racist language.

He did say a racist insult, but that doesn't mean he's a racist...funnily enough.

Yep he can use the defence that he isn't a racist because he has a black friend (cole).

[Duty281]

Why not just call him a c**t, why prefix it with black, i'll tell you why he's a cretin. I don't really care either way, I have little respect for the Hodgson england team anyway.

Because he said it in the heat of the moment without thinking?

I don't think he's a racist, but you cant seriously defend him calling another player a "f**king black c*nt" can you? Context is important, his context was in an aggressive manner.

Meh. It wasn't much worse than the abuse Anton gave him.

Apart from....Terry threw the word "black" in!  

We can't have that in left-wing, politically correct, multicultural 21st Century Britain!

And I would willingly bet that if Anton called Terry a white c**t, not much would have been done or said.

Can I just add that you are a 'writer' for this website so you need to be careful about what views you say on this forum as it can really affect the website.

Thankfully using someone's skin colour as a means to insult them is severley frowned upon in this country and there are harsh consequences for the offender. Defending racist abuse by Terry is a rather extreme stance to have and one that will not get you very far in life.

I'm not defending it. He said something discriminatory. - punish him, a couple of games suspension and a fine. Then move on.

I'm defending anyone calling him a racist - something which he clearly isn't.

[Duty281]

Why not just call him a c**t, why prefix it with black, i'll tell you why he's a cretin. I don't really care either way, I have little respect for the Hodgson england team anyway.

Because he said it in the heat of the moment without thinking?

I don't think he's a racist, but you cant seriously defend him calling another player a "f**king black c*nt" can you? Context is important, his context was in an aggressive manner.

Meh. It wasn't much worse than the abuse Anton gave him.

Apart from....Terry threw the word "black" in!  

We can't have that in left-wing, politically correct, multicultural 21st Century Britain!

And I would willingly bet that if Anton called Terry a white c**t, not much would have been done or said.

He called him a black c*nt. He didn't call him black, if he just said "Anton, you're black" it wouldn't be racist. But he called him a black c*nt. If Anton called Terry a white c*nt and was caught doing so on camera doing it, he would have received the same punishment from the FA. It was racist language, end of. I don't think he is a racist, but theres absolutely no question he used racist language.

That's what should happen, in such a scenario, but I doubt it would.

[socal1976]

If we could get back to the football...

I wonder what game Pelligrini was watching? City the better side? Really? This is despite Chelsea hitting the woodwork 3 times and butchering an 18 on 1 at one point (so it seemed).

Matic MotM for me. Absolutely towering performance. Complete contrast with Demichelis who I've never rated. Chelsea walked over him basically.

I've wondered a few times this season whether City's balance is right. It looks great when it works and they're smashing 6 goals in (and in fairness they have played some awesome football) but against a side a bit more streetwise... well, Chelsea really carved them up today TBH.

Other topics of interest:
- thought the red card (or not as it turned out) was marginal. No issue with the call either way TBH. Not sure Oscar is away as cleanly as some are making out, and a long way out, so yellow understandable. Red would have been ok as well.
- Terry (sorry): clearly the best English playing CB at the moment. As far as I can tell, the FA (in a complete fudge) never said they wouldn't pick him, just that they wouldn't make him captain. I can't defend what he (allegedly) said, but either you accept you can pick him despite of it, or you don't. If not, no issue, I understand that stance; I don't understand saying "you can't be captain but you can play".

Finally, how good has Hazard been this season? Another mesmerising performance.

Good post, Hazard has been spectacular this season. Probably the reason Jose let go of Mata so non-chalantly. Maybe Mata not playing this year has helped Hazard and Oscar's development? My EPL midfield of the year this season would go like this: Ya Ya, Ramsey, Ozil, Hazard, and Silva

[Champagne_Socialist]

Why not just call him a c**t, why prefix it with black, i'll tell you why he's a cretin. I don't really care either way, I have little respect for the Hodgson england team anyway.

Because he said it in the heat of the moment without thinking?

I don't think he's a racist, but you cant seriously defend him calling another player a "f**king black c*nt" can you? Context is important, his context was in an aggressive manner.

Meh. It wasn't much worse than the abuse Anton gave him.

Apart from....Terry threw the word "black" in!  

We can't have that in left-wing, politically correct, multicultural 21st Century Britain!

And I would willingly bet that if Anton called Terry a white c**t, not much would have been done or said.

Can I just add that you are a 'writer' for this website so you need to be careful about what views you say on this forum as it can really affect the website.

Thankfully using someone's skin colour as a means to insult them is severley frowned upon in this country and there are harsh consequences for the offender. Defending racist abuse by Terry is a rather extreme stance to have and one that will not get you very far in life.

I'm not defending it. He said something discriminatory. - punish him, a couple of games suspension and a fine. Then move on.

I'm defending anyone calling him a racist - something which he clearly isn't.

Meh. It wasn't much worse than the abuse Anton gave him.

Apart from....Terry threw the word "black" in! Shocked

Oh dear. Political correctness strikes again!

#nosurrender

[Champagne_Socialist]

If we could get back to the football...

I wonder what game Pelligrini was watching? City the better side? Really? This is despite Chelsea hitting the woodwork 3 times and butchering an 18 on 1 at one point (so it seemed).

Matic MotM for me. Absolutely towering performance. Complete contrast with Demichelis who I've never rated. Chelsea walked over him basically.

I've wondered a few times this season whether City's balance is right. It looks great when it works and they're smashing 6 goals in (and in fairness they have played some awesome football) but against a side a bit more streetwise... well, Chelsea really carved them up today TBH.

Other topics of interest:
- thought the red card (or not as it turned out) was marginal. No issue with the call either way TBH. Not sure Oscar is away as cleanly as some are making out, and a long way out, so yellow understandable. Red would have been ok as well.
- Terry (sorry): clearly the best English playing CB at the moment. As far as I can tell, the FA (in a complete fudge) never said they wouldn't pick him, just that they wouldn't make him captain. I can't defend what he (allegedly) said, but either you accept you can pick him despite of it, or you don't. If not, no issue, I understand that stance; I don't understand saying "you can't be captain but you can play".

Finally, how good has Hazard been this season? Another mesmerising performance.

Good post, Hazard has been spectacular this season. Probably the reason Jose let go of Mata so non-chalantly. Maybe Mata not playing this year has helped Hazard and Oscar's development? My EPL midfield of the year this season would go like this: Ya Ya, Ramsey, Ozil, Hazard, and Silva

Jose is the best manager in the world, he did the double over a city team that has been scoring 4 goals on average every game.

[Duty281]

Yes, what JT said wasn't much worse than what Anton said. They both gave as good as they got in the insults department.

Your point, sir?

[Champagne_Socialist]

Yes, what JT said wasn't much worse than what Anton said. They both gave as good as they got in the insults department.

Your point, sir?

Except JT resorted to racist abuse.

just be careful what you type because right now you are belittling the affects of racism.

[Duty281]

Yes, what JT said wasn't much worse than what Anton said. They both gave as good as they got in the insults department.

Your point, sir?

Except JT resorted to racist abuse.
just be careful what you type because right now you are belittling the affects of racism.

Not according to a court of law.

[guildfordbat]

...

I wonder what game Pelligrini was watching? City the better side? Really? This is despite Chelsea hitting the woodwork 3 times and butchering an 18 on 1 at one point (so it seemed) ...

Other topics of interest:
- thought the red card (or not as it turned out) was marginal. No issue with the call either way TBH. Not sure Oscar is away as cleanly as some are making out, and a long way out, so yellow understandable. Red would have been ok as well.
- Terry (sorry): clearly the best English playing CB at the moment. As far as I can tell, the FA (in a complete fudge) never said they wouldn't pick him, just that they wouldn't make him captain. I can't defend what he (allegedly) said, but either you accept you can pick him despite of it, or you don't. If not, no issue, I understand that stance; I don't understand saying "you can't be captain but you can play".

...

Only saw the MOTD highlights so not in a position to comment on the match as a whole but a few observations on the excerpts above from Mike's post.

Chelsea did seem the better side but City still had several more than decent chances and would have taken at least one point with better finishing. Silva continues to make me think of Brian Clough's comment about Trevor Brooking, ''He floats like a butterfly - and stings like one too!''

In my view, a red card would have been appropriate. If the City player didn't think a clear goal scoring opportunity was about to result, why did he so blatantly foul Oscar?

Yes, it is a bit of a fudge by the FA over Terry but I can understand it. I don't think it's unreasonable for higher standards (on and off the pitch) to be expected of the national captain than his team mates. Additionally, all team mates and squad players need to have some degree of respect for the captain - I'm not sure that all players would be able to that easily separate Terry ''the footballing captain'' and Terry ''the man''.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Yes, what JT said wasn't much worse than what Anton said. They both gave as good as they got in the insults department.

Your point, sir?

Except JT resorted to racist abuse.
just be careful what you type because right now you are belittling the affects of racism.

Not according to a court of law.

irrelevant to this mini debate as we were debating whether using racist language was something that should not be allowed to happen or as you put it using racist language and the criticism one gets from using racist language is just 'political correctness because we live in a left wing society'.

[socal1976]

Duty, I personally don't think Terry should be banned for life from the national team but your analogies and defenses of Terry are both unconvincing and flippant. Claims of political correctness and hypotheticals about reverse racism just further shows how you just don't get it.

[Guest]

Mourinho is the master tactician - he is a bit odd at times when he speaks, but there is no doubting his tactical mastery. Here is Pat Nevin's take on him - which you all have probably seen already: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25380991

[sportform]

Chelsea outplayed Man City and were unlucky not to win by more. Never really felt that City were knocking on the door at any time. Nastatic should have gone, forget whether he was last man, he should have gone for making such a cynical foul.

The FA Cup game will be interesting to see if Man City and Pellegrini can change anything, tactically, to get one over on Chelsea.

[Champagne_Socialist]

the fa cup game is so close to the CL game that I think both teams will play weaker squads.

[Crimey]

Mourinho gets it right in a big game yet again, but think he was lucky in that City were clearly not at their best, missed Fernandinho in particular who has been key for them in midfield and Aguero up front. Would have been interesting to see both sides face off at full strength.

I wouldn't put Terry in the England team, and that's for football reasons. Massively overrated as a centre back and as a leader.

[socal1976]

This match was the reason I thought at the start of the season Chelsea would win the league. I don't like Jose much that I am sure is apparent. Don't like how he is so defensive minded and I don't like his arrogance, hypocrisy, or mind games. That being said he is a great manager that much is easily apparent. Really Man Utd. if they had a chance should have hired him at whatever the cost. When you have a CV like Jose or Alex Ferguson it carries a lot of weight with players you have and attracts quality talent in and of itself from other places. That doesn't change the fact that I will still be rooting against him.

[mystiroakey]

Oh gawd.

can someone give me 10 mins of my time back from reading the above

If Terry is good enough he should play. end of story..

Like he is any worse than Suarez that everyone else is salivating over this year.

The irony is that this started with Hammersmith saying he would support Uruguay over England if Terry Played!!

Move on.

[compelling and rich]

all this talk of terry, cahill was the better of the two defenders anyway

nice to see city knocked down a peg, make them less confident going into the barca game, city really couldn't handle hazard. something which barca have a fair few of and the pressing that chelsea put them under

on the red card i always thought it was debatable, aguero had one similar couple of seasons back (think it may have been in the fa cup) where he was on the half way line brought down and a red was given, they are said it was a blatant red yet somehow i dont think they woulod have agreed last night, thats city fans for you.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

John Terry. Captain. Leader. Legend.

I don't care who he has shagged (we've all made mistakes and have regrets in that area!), or what silly things he has said or done after a tipple (ditto).

He's not racist, he's not a bad person - he is a bloody good defender and an absolute leader on a football pitch.

John Terry, he's the King.

Ignoring this nonsense, I'm not sure I'd want him playing for England as he won't have a Mourinho drilled unit parading in front of him. England won't have a 3 man block ahead of their central defence, they will be facing the kind of pace Terry gets mullered by and, most importantly, I'd rather move on from the days of deep John Terry defending.

[Stella]

Time to move on from Terry, in more ways than one. He was a very good defender, but he's had his day. Great win for Chelsea, although better finishing may have seen City take the lead and then, who know's? That said, if my aunt was my uncle..........

[Duty281]

West Ham are going to appeal against the red card shown to Andy Carroll - and so they should. Twas a ridiculous decision.

[Stella]

Didn't see that one. IMO the City lad should have gone last night. Oscar could have either gone on, or played an easy ball through to I think Hazard, who would have been clean through.

[mystiroakey]

It wasn't a good decision.

If west ham can get the card overturned, favs to stay up for me.. Massive appeal this one

[Duty281]

It wasn't a good decision.

If west ham can get the card overturned, favs to stay up for me.. Massive appeal this one

Particularly as the 3 games he's suspended for are absolutely crucial games: Aston Villa, Norwich and Southampton.

[guildfordbat]

... Great win for Chelsea, although better finishing may have seen City take the lead and then, who know's? That said, if my aunt was my uncle..........

Stella - exactly.

Dividing lines between success and failure are so thin. That's why I tend to take with a pinch of salt claims of Mourinho having proved himself to be a master tactician last night.

[Stella]

... Great win for Chelsea, although better finishing may have seen City take the lead and then, who know's? That said, if my aunt was my uncle..........

Stella - exactly.

Dividing lines between success and failure are so thin. That's why I tend to take with a pinch of salt claims of Mourinho having proved himself to be a master tactician last night.

To be fair, he won. He may have had a plan B, in case they did take the lead, and won anyway. In fact, he would have had a plan B. Yes, fine lines though, like any sport.

[mystiroakey]

And he didnt just park the bus either.

He dominated the midfield... Which is saying something at the etihad.

Remember even if it was a 1-1 of 0-0 he would have still mastered the game better than any other manager this season.

Off course he isnt a Pulis..

But pretty close   

[guildfordbat]

West Ham are going to appeal against the red card shown to Andy Carroll - and so they should. Twas a ridiculous decision.

Duty - don't agree with you there. I thought Carroll was reckless and aggressive in throwing his arm out. Flores shamefully over-reacted but that doesn't excuse Carroll's actions.

Would your view have been a yellow or no card at all?

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

West Ham are going to appeal against the red card shown to Andy Carroll - and so they should. Twas a ridiculous decision.

Duty - don't agree with you there. I thought Carroll was reckless and aggressive in throwing his arm out. Flores shamefully over-reacted but that doesn't excuse Carroll's actions.

Would your view have been a yellow or no card at all?

I'm with Duty on this one, never a red card for me. Don't think it was malicious, maybe a little reckless but he was only putting his arm down by his side again!

[Duty281]

West Ham are going to appeal against the red card shown to Andy Carroll - and so they should. Twas a ridiculous decision.

Duty - don't agree with you there. I thought Carroll was reckless and aggressive in throwing his arm out. Flores shamefully over-reacted but that doesn't excuse Carroll's actions.

Would your view have been a yellow or no card at all?

A yellow. To Chico Flores.

I would have been a bit peeved if I were Andy Carroll and having to contend with that oaf of a defender climbing all over him. Yes Carroll did swing his arm, but I don't think it was intentional.

[guildfordbat]

...



Off course he isnt a Pulis..

But pretty close   

Mysti - I appreciate the   . I would say though in seriousness that when talking about master tacticians, we also need to take account of horses for courses (or whatever cliche comes to mind). Pullis to my mind is a far more suitable manager for Palace today than Mourinho would be.

[GSC]

Joe Kinnear departs as DoF having signed 0 players on permanant deals during his tenure.

"Working 9 till 9.05, what a way to make a living"

[guildfordbat]

West Ham are going to appeal against the red card shown to Andy Carroll - and so they should. Twas a ridiculous decision.

Duty - don't agree with you there. I thought Carroll was reckless and aggressive in throwing his arm out. Flores shamefully over-reacted but that doesn't excuse Carroll's actions.

Would your view have been a yellow or no card at all?

A yellow. To Chico Flores.

I would have been a bit peeved if I were Andy Carroll and having to contend with that oaf of a defender climbing all over him. Yes Carroll did swing his arm, but I don't think it was intentional.

I actually think a yellow to Flores for his over-reacting would have been appropriate. However, I still don't believe that excludes a red for Carroll. As it happened, he didn't hurt Flores and the contact may not have been particularly deliberate but Carroll's actions were reckless and aggressive. That in my view was sufficient for a red. Carroll should have been aware of that as well as the likely reaction from Flores.

[mystiroakey]

Well yes Mourinhio cant manage a team like palace. He would have no motivation for it.

But the reality is he has that plan b or c where he can make his team Pulis style, as he has done in the past v Barca on many occasions.. Off course on the flip side there is nothing suggesting that Puils could manage a team of big names or play possession footy.. Although I thought him bringing on Bannan at the weekend was a brilliant tactical move.. He takes of a striker for a midfielder when we go 1 nil down.. How many managers would do that.. not many. BUt anyway It gave us more chances to score- because we could reatin possession further up the pitch. From that point on yes Arsenal may have scored another but we got 10 attempts on goal

The great thing about Palace 's game v Citeh- was that all though we parked the bus.. WE also had better chances than citeh and if it wasn't for Joe Hart(man of the match) we could have got the draw or even the win..

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