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Post by sirfredperry on Thu 27 Feb 2014, 2:19 pm

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So, a decider at Cape Town where, I gather, big crowds are expected. The only bad thing about this match is that it's the last in the series. This really would have made for a great 5-Test series.

Difficult to call this one. SA did wonderfully to come back at PE after the drubbing in the 1st Test. Much will depend on who bats first. Could be that the team that bats first will win the match. Interesting sidebar is the form of Clarke, who (I think) has not passed 24 in the last five tests. Until PE, they were winning without his contributions, but he may well be needed in Cape Town.

Who am I going for? Almost too close to call. Who are you going for?


South Africa:
GC Smith*, AN Petersen, D Elgar, HM Amla, AB de Villiers†, F du Plessis, JP Duminy, KJ Abbott, VD Philander, DW Steyn, M Morkel

Australia:
DA Warner, CJL Rogers, SR Watson, AJ Doolan, MJ Clarke*, SPD Smith, BJ Haddin†, MG Johnson, RJ Harris, JL Pattinson, NM Lyon

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Post by skyeman on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 1:58 pm

SA with a huge wkt of Warner from the part-timer JP.

Great knock from Warner and much needed by SA.

Aus 217/3

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Post by alfie on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 1:59 pm

Smith nearly gave him two in an over there ! Take it easy lad...not in that much of a hurry !

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Post by alfie on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 2:03 pm

Linebreaker wrote:Yes, can you please keep your Aussie "compliments" to a minimum... or word them more ambiguously please, alfie?  Smile 

Yeah sorry about that , lb.  Smile 

But it did look as if they were booked in for bed and breakfast...and it was an outstanding innings from Warner.

Still in a very strong position.

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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 2:07 pm

I don't know how Polly can contribute Warner's wicket to the previous session. ?? He played a very good innings and his dismissal was not due to something which happened over an hour ago.
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Post by alfie on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 2:17 pm

Only in the 62 nd over ...going to be some overtime tonight. Not for me though ...couple more overs and I'm off for the night.

Wonder what it will be at close of play : 340/5 ?

Morkel back for a burst...have to watch this ...wonder if he'll have the same energy levels this spell ?

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Post by msp83 on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 2:33 pm

Clarke closing in on his half-century. Expect this one to e a big one. It was about surviving that fabulous spell from Morkel, and Clarke just about managed that, all be it rather badly battered. But now he is well in, and he should be better against the short ball as well.

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Post by alfie on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 2:38 pm

Been a battling innings from Clarke. But he is poised to reach fifty ; and with Smith settling in I think I can turn in leaving Australia in a good place...

Fifty it is  clap  About time , I suppose... Too good a player to miss out six Tests in a row.

Can see some pain for SA in this last session...

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Post by Guest on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 2:48 pm

real couragous knock from Clarke..what a warrior!!!

If they get the overs in which they will as they tend to use extra 30 mins i can see OZ reaching between 350-400..which would equate to a quite brilliant day for them!

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 3:15 pm

SA are not only missing Steyn...but also Parnell who bowled with fire in T2...that neither Abbot here nor their 4th seamer ( name eludes me now)had shown in T1.

Aus are driving SA into the ground and out of the series....unless someone produces a magic spell.....which has to be Philander or Morkel
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Post by KP_fan on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 3:32 pm

can't get friendlier in test cricket facing Duminy and Elgar bowling in tandem on a D1 pitch in SA.......

Smith has captained SA so long in test cricket....largely credibly......but lately he seems to have run out of hunger and motives as a leader.
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Post by Gerry SA on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 3:36 pm

KP_fan wrote:can't get friendlier in test cricket facing Duminy and Elgar bowling in tandem on a D1 pitch in SA.......

Smith has captained SA so long in test cricket....largely credibly......but lately he seems to have run out of hunger and motives as a leader.
Are you being serious?

Biff can't just burn out Morkel, Philander and Abbott on day 1.

Pitch is dead and Biff's lost his star bowler.

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Post by msp83 on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 3:39 pm

Steven Smith closing in on his half-century.

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 3:43 pm

Gerry SA wrote:
KP_fan wrote:can't get friendlier in test cricket facing Duminy and Elgar bowling in tandem on a D1 pitch in SA.......

Smith has captained SA so long in test cricket....largely credibly......but lately he seems to have run out of hunger and motives as a leader.
Are you being serious?

Biff can't just burn out Morkel, Philander and Abbott on day 1.

Pitch is dead and Biff's lost his star bowler.

you use your main arsenal when the match is alive.....once there is an insurmountably mountain of first inning runs....the test match and the series is already gone.

b.t.w most test match teams have played with 3 specialist seamers in modern test matches....and that Smith has to his disposal inspite of steyn injury


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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 3:46 pm

Crowd thinning out already. Beautiful ground is Newlands.

Magnificent fightback from Clarke and now Smith.
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Post by KP_fan on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 3:49 pm

Gerry SA wrote:
KP_fan wrote:can't get friendlier in test cricket facing Duminy and Elgar bowling in tandem on a D1 pitch in SA.......

Smith has captained SA so long in test cricket....largely credibly......but lately he seems to have run out of hunger and motives as a leader.
Are you being serious?

Biff can't just burn out Morkel, Philander and Abbott on day 1.

Pitch is dead and Biff's lost his star bowler.

you use your main arsenal when the match is alive.....once there is an insurmountably mountain of first inning runs....the test match and the series is already gone.

b.t.w most test match teams have played with 3 specialist seamers in modern test matches....and that Smith has to his disposal inspite of steyn injury
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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 3:52 pm

Poor old Pup. He'll be in quite a lot of pain tonight but should sleep well nonetheless.

But first there's the ice bath.
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Post by KP_fan on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 4:03 pm

Steve Smith continues to build on the promise we noticed in him in Eng....with another 50...and clarke on the verge of a 100.
SA used up all the fire and energy in winning T2...and are looking flat here.

Not impossible but very hard to see them make a comeback from here
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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 4:11 pm

Very proud of the team today... especially Clarke's gutsy performance. Warner did his thing to script and now Smith is chiming in as required.

SA, mainly through Morkel, busted their guts too (for a while) but the loss of Steyn is very unfortunate.

I still think there will be some twists and turns in this match. A long way to go yet but Australia are in a very good position.

(I'm just glad that brass cacophony of PE is behind them! No wonder they struggled there.)
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 4:57 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:
KP_fan wrote:can't get friendlier in test cricket facing Duminy and Elgar bowling in tandem on a D1 pitch in SA.......

Smith has captained SA so long in test cricket....largely credibly......but lately he seems to have run out of hunger and motives as a leader.
Are you being serious?

Biff can't just burn out Morkel, Philander and Abbott on day 1.

Pitch is dead and Biff's lost his star bowler.

you use your main arsenal when the match is alive.....once there is an insurmountably mountain of first inning runs....the test match and the series is already gone.

b.t.w most test match teams have played with 3 specialist seamers in modern test matches....and that Smith has to his disposal inspite of steyn injury

Somewhere inbetween the two views lies reality ...England bumbled along as number one with 3 seamers a spinner and almost no support bowling (Trott/KP). SAs problem is that all their eggs are in the seam basket, not only that but Morkel is better used sparingly as a hostile bowler. Their support bowling sans Kallis is pretty mediocre and used far more than would have been intended. Steyn is the best bowler ...except of course Philander was ahead of him in the ratings prior to this series....so its not like hes the entirety of their attack. Np question its helped Australia though, and creates a serious problem for SA in what looks like it will be a long hard test for them.
Credit has to go to Warner whos made his high risk cricket pay off and battered the opposition time and again like Hayden used to..real turn around for him given its barely 6 months since his future was in in question. Same with spud he continues to defy logic by banging out performances above his pay grade. Clarke appears to be overcoming his injuries and finding form with the wind behind him on a flat sea.
Great performance by Aus over both series, notably in their endurance, I still cant help feeling theirs some makeweights in this side and that they wont keep it up. Perhaps got a touch lucky pulling SA on the flip from Kallis' death and England visiting when they were at the peak (trough?) of their depression.
Just to annoy Linebreaker Im going to claim that they arent as good as these performances and results and sooner or later theyll get found out. Hell only 3 of them would get in the England side  Whistle 

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Post by kingraf on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 5:37 pm

Apparently the weather isn't looking too hot for tomorrow, and the pitch looks as lively as the Kennedy family, but Australia have scored so fast for the entire day that they may have actually bought themselves the time needed to make the rest of this test an uncomfortable one for us. Shame Steyn went off, 'wasnt bowling brilliantly, but we all know he's just a temper tantrum away from producing magic. Philander has been lacklustre the entire summer (on that note, I seriously hope Donald and him do some work on his arm presentation as its getting rounder by the series), while Morkel, scary as he is, being a 6'8 bowler who hurtles missiles, simply isn't in the same class as his two teammates. Australia in pound position at the moment, and it's a long way back.

On to the Aussies Fantastic day in the field for them - Warner probably hit the best 100 of his career, chanceless, brutal, brilliant. Clarke is probably my favorite player in world cricket (after Steyn), and if he gets the ton tomorrow, under the circumstances it's probably the best ton I've seen him hit - and this includes his previous work of art at Newlands. Been a serious gut check for him. Steve Smith continues to impress me, in fact his probably grown in my estimations more than anyone else this summer. I think I described as "a bit of both, but not much of either", during the English Ashes... his become a helluva batsman, and on current form the best in his team, and after ABdV, possibly the second best in the world
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Post by Guest on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 5:39 pm

my thoughts on the day

After Clarke had no hesitation at the toss to bat first, australia then went on to rack up 331-3 on day one and sit in pole position...

Chris Rogers inconsistent form in test cricket showed again as he slashed at a ball that he really should be leaving alone to fall for 25. David Warner smashed his way to another test match hundred, and this was probably his best one, played very well and got his head down and kept his eye on the game, rather than talking. Doolan gets himself out again...he digs himself into a hole and builds the pressure onto himself..until he can learn to rotate the strike and look for singles to get himself off strike, he is going to struggle in tests. Michael clarke, the warrior saw off a hostile spell of bowling from Morkel and played fantastically well to get himself back into form. He led from the front and courageously got himself in line to everything the south africas threw at him. Steve Smith is a vastly improved cricketer, and helped himself to a very good half century to carry on his good form, his leg spin could also prove crucial as the game goes on..

It was a very trying day for SA...They weren't helped by Steyn going off after having only bowled 10 overs with a hamstring strain..i highly doubt he will bowl again in the game. Philander tried hard and plugged away, but he really needs the ball to swing or seam to have a real impact on a game, but at least he tries for his captain. Morkel frustrating yet again...in his spell to Clarke he needed to realise that Clarke was hanging on the back foot, and the odd full delivery really could have had Clarke in trouble perhaps dismissed him..also the lack of wickets from him recently will be a worry for Smith..just 5 in the series thus far.. Abbott done a good job for Smith on a flat pitch, and kept the batsman honest. Rather a suprise that JP bowled almost half the overs Elgar did..got the key wicket of Warner and should have bowled more.. Elgar..why did he bowl so many overs? Not threatning, and can't keep any control...same as Robin Peterson..

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 5:51 pm

kingraf wrote:Steve Smith continues to impress me, in fact his probably grown in my estimations more than anyone else this summer. I think I described as "a bit of both, but not much of either", during the English Ashes... his become a helluva batsman, and on current form the best in his team, and after ABdV, possibly the second best in the world

Whilst Id heartily endorse the general sentiment he actually had a decent run (by his teams standards) with the bats in England too..his first and still highest century (not out too) the highlight. I think youre also being a touch hyperbolic in your estimation of just how good he has been.. whilst hes had 3 centuries in the last 8 tests the only other time hes passed 50 qnd hes had as many score below 20 as he has above. Warners been getting a lot more runs than he has for starters.

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Post by Guest on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 5:52 pm

Will be intresting to see what Johnson does to the saffer batsman here..Morkel showed that there is some pace and bounce if you can bend your back, so Johnson should be able to really get into the SA batsman with plenty of runs to play with..

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Post by skyeman on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 6:08 pm

Some fine write-ups on the days play and match situation there guys.

Attend to agree with psw though on the still fragile batting of Aus. Only two batsmen ave above 40. The rest mid 30's.

The teams normally with potential have 4-5 above what is considered a good average, so let's not get carried away just yet. Aus got England {with problems} into a panic and got SA without Kallis. But mainly have done the business because of a brilliant six months from MJ.

But still much credit to Aus and the best skipper in world cricket, Clarke. And the mastermind of recent events, Lehman.

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Post by kingraf on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 6:19 pm

True but PSW, but
1) I don't like Warner
2) Warner looks like a squirrel
3) I rate all of Smith's tons have been more valuable than any of Warners, except maybe today's
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Post by skyeman on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 6:23 pm

kingraf wrote:True but PSW, but
1) I don't like Warner
2) Warner looks like a squirrel
3) I rate all of Smith's tons have been more valuable than any of Warners, except maybe today's


Squirrel  Laugh  Laugh

And his tache is worse than MJ's.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 7:21 pm

Fairlplay re: when Warners got his recent centuries..its generally been when Aus were already up in a game.
That said his ton in the first test in the Ashes series was what really sealed Autralias dominance and set the tone for the series. They were ahead at that point but him and Clarke stomped all over england and really put the boot in, they never recovered from that.

Hes still outbatted spud who looks like a half inflated balloon

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 7:47 pm

skyeman wrote:

Attend to agree with psw though on the still fragile batting of Aus. Only two batsmen ave above 40. The rest mid 30's.


stats don't tell everything....... we have heard.

here the stats ( that you quoted). do not tell anything
they are a batting side in ascendancy...two things to note hear purely on general observation....someone can verify statistically:

1) what has been the average of this Aussie line-up say in the last 10 tests...discounting the mess..this home-work writing side was in under Arthur and first couple of settling in games of Boof.

2) what is the combined average of this side in the last 10 odd games again.........the point I am alluding to is the sum of their parts from 1 thru 11 with the bat must be quite high......their no. 11 Lyon is averaging 17 with the bat  Shocked 
one would not even blame if he averaged 3 with the bat. Those 14 additional runs would make their 2 batters with average 35 look like averaging 42  Whistle 
and one can run the numbers for Johnson, Siddle and  Haddin with the bat also.

the point being with settled coach/ compisiton good starategy and team spirit what they have shown in the last 10 games is what they are likely to continue to average  in future and not their average to date
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Post by skyeman on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 8:26 pm

KP_fan wrote:
skyeman wrote:

Attend to agree with psw though on the still fragile batting of Aus. Only two batsmen ave above 40. The rest mid 30's.


stats don't tell everything....... we have heard.

here the stats ( that you quoted). do not tell anything
they are a batting side in ascendancy...two things to note hear purely on general observation....someone can verify statistically:

1) what has been the average of this Aussie line-up say in the last 10 tests...discounting the mess..this home-work writing side was in under Arthur and first couple of settling in games of Boof.

2) what is the combined average of this side in the last 10 odd games again.........the point I am alluding to is the sum of their parts from 1 thru 11 with the bat must be quite high......their no. 11 Lyon is averaging 17 with the bat  Shocked 
one would not even blame if he averaged 3 with the bat. Those 14 additional runs would make batters with average 35 look like averaging 42.
and one can run the numbers for Johnson, Siddle and  Haddin with the bat also.

the point being with settled coach/ compisiton good starategy and team spirit what they have shown in the last 10 games is what they are likely to continue to average  in future and not their average to date


But, and i repeat. Without MJ's stupendous, fantastic, mesmerising, terrifying and brilliant re-emergence, Aus would not have won six out of their last seven Test matches.

Take him out of the equation, and i am sure it would have been a different story.


Similar with Warner going through a purple patch. Forget the nine lives rubbish, that is the fielding sides problem! Amla was dropped more times in England, let's not forget.

Warner started his Test career brightly then got out cheaply playing his way for a long period. Mostly everyone thought of him as a 50 or 10 type, but he has, as stated got his purple patch period. This may continue, it may not. But if he does go through a bad patch again, the Aus team won't always be saved by Smith, Haddin or MJ as of recent times.

In other words, still fragile.

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Post by skyeman on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 8:31 pm

Plus as we saw at PE, MJ had a bad game and Australia got a thrashing. Wink

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 8:58 pm

But, and i repeat. Without MJ's stupendous, fantastic, mesmerising, terrifying and brilliant re-emergence, Aus would not have won six out of their last seven Test matches

i don't concurr on this theory either.
an unoptimized Aussie bowling came close to winning about 2 or 3 tests in Eng.

Ryan Harris when fit and roaring is one of the most dangerous bowlers......and when Johnson is not playing........and if Pattinson, Starc and Cummins are fit ...they have an excellent pace attack.

that said your argument......"if you remove their best batsman and best bowler, they are a weaker side" is a no brainer that applies to all sides Smile
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Post by skyeman on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 9:09 pm

KP_fan wrote:
But, and i repeat. Without MJ's stupendous, fantastic, mesmerising, terrifying and brilliant re-emergence, Aus would not have won six out of their last seven Test matches

i don't concurr on this theory either.
an unoptimized Aussie bowling came close to winning  about 2 or 3 tests in Eng.

Ryan Harris when fit and roaring is one of the most dangerous bowlers......and when Johnson is not playing........and if Pattinson, Starc and Cummins are fit ...they have an excellent pace attack.

that said your argument......"if you remove their best  batsman and best bowler, they are a weaker side" is a no brainer that applies to all sides Smile

But the stark fact is, they did'nt. MJ may have changed that!

Best batsman is Clarke. I am talking about Warner.

And, YOU have said it yourself about MJ. If he was not brought back by Lehman, we would not be having this discussion now.

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 9:13 pm

But the stark fact is, they did'nt. MJ may have changed that!

Best batsman is Clarke. I am talking about Warner.

And, YOU have said it yourself about MJ. If he was not brought back by Lehman, we would not be having this discussion now.

with Johnson they have been winning by a mile.
with a fully fit Mitchel Starc they may be winning by half a mile.
my point with a pool of Harris, Johnson, Pattoinson, Starc and Cummins they have a deeper pool then any otehr nation.
their batting is begining to click optimally and they are begining to gel as a team...

and are looking like being the best in the world....not by far and undisputed like Waugh's aussies though
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Post by skyeman on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 9:17 pm

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But the stark fact is, they did'nt. MJ may have changed that!

Best batsman is Clarke. I am talking about Warner.

And, YOU have said it yourself about MJ. If he was not brought back by Lehman, we would not be having this discussion now.

with Johnson they have been winning by a mile.
with a fully fit Mitchel Starc they may be winning by half a mile.
my point with a pool of Harris, Johnson, Pattoinson, Starc and Cummins they have a deeper pool then any otehr nation.
their batting is begining to click optimally and they are begining to gel as a team...

and are looking like being the best in the world....not by far and undisputed like Waugh's aussies though


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Without MJ. It would not have happened.

And what as Mitchel Starc got to do with it.

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Post by skyeman on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 9:20 pm

And batting clicked, rubbish. They were saved by Haddin multiple times.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 9:54 pm

Starc Pattison and Cummins have never produced between them as many top class performances as Johnsons has in the last few months. His run of form is incredible.
Starc averages 33.6 in tests, most of Pattinsons wickets came 2 years ago pre first injury (hes played SA twice and taken only 5 at home), Cummins has played 6 first class games. Its ridiculous to suggest that anyone of them definitely wouldve been as effective as Johnson had they been fit for the last two series.
Harris staying fit too is pretty remarkable, something hes never achieved before.

Aus do have soome real depth in their seam bowling, but that doesnt change that the guys whove turned up so far have been in the form of their lives. Theres no guarantee that those out injured wouldve fronted up to anything like the level Johnson has.

All that aside it also doesnt change that theres a distinct feeling that the bowlers are papering over cracks in the Aussie side and taking pressure off the batsmen. It was Johnsons batting that kicked the revival off for Aus, and Haddin relied upon to get them out of trouble when the top 6 failed.
Theres some definite weakness between Warner and Clarke still. Even Watsons admitted its his bowling thats got him picked.

You gotta hand it to them though, they keep on winning. England desperately need a Lehman to kick their talented players back into action. Giles certainly doesnt convince me as the man to do that.

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Post by Pal Joey on Sun 02 Mar 2014, 5:07 am

Nothing to hand them, Pete... they've taken it themselves if you've been following.

What more evidence do you need than a 5-0 flogging in the Ashes (for the second time in under a decade... how do they keep on doing it?) and almost another 5-0 bashing in the ODIs? Not to mention England's dismal performance at North Sound the other day.

I'm a bit surprised at kingraf and skye resorting to name calling and devaluing the Australian performances of late. What's your problem, guys?

If you want, why not create your own little "Aussie Bashing Thread" and fire away with your comments on there? (I won't interfere or cause a fuss)
Alternatively a "Poor Losers and Endless List of Excuses Thread" might be the way to go. Perhaps the knowledgeable GerrySA can join you both there so you can put all your comments in the one place?

Let me know if you need any assistance.
(note: this is the match thread - so please stay on topic if it's at all possible)
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Post by kingraf on Sun 02 Mar 2014, 5:44 am

Not sure I've devalued any Australian performances of late... Please provide the appropriate quote and I'll gladly apologise. Otherwise I'd appreciate it if you retract that.

Name calling - I called Warner a squirrel, but I've also called Broad and Root Ellen DeGeneres, and said Cook has distinct rat-like features.... Hardly singling him out, plus I don't like because he out and out accused fellow professionals of cheating, with nothing by way of evidence.
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Post by Pal Joey on Sun 02 Mar 2014, 5:59 am

The truth hurts... Warner shouldn't have said what he said but one needs to keep an eye on ABDV. He's a slippery customer and the video evidence has been shown many times on TV here.

And I don't like it when you call one of our professionals a squirrel either. He certainly took your bowlers apart yesterday and if it weren't for that silly leave to JP... would have scored over 200 runs yesterday. He'd be kicking himself.
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Post by kingraf on Sun 02 Mar 2014, 6:07 am

I didn't call him a squirrel - I said he looks like a squirrel... If you have a problem with that, of all things...well alright then... I'm a paying fan with an opinion of the facial characteristics of a player - he's a professional who muddied the reputation of a fellow professional - if you really think that's the same thing...

As for ABdV, exactly what has video evidence shown? did he Scratch the ball? Did he bite it? Or did he handle it with his gloves like wicketkeepers are supposed to? No clause in the ICC manual prohibiting a keeper from working on the ball - long as he does so naturally - or would you have him take the gloves off everytime he touches it?
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Post by Pal Joey on Sun 02 Mar 2014, 6:13 am

Looks like a squirrel. OK. What do you look like? A lemur? I'm not saying you are a lemur.

So you pay to watch him tamper with the ball? I thought you were in Johannesburg? Are you at Newlands today? Strange thing to say.
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Post by kingraf on Sun 02 Mar 2014, 6:21 am

I paid to watch the Centurion Test - and I paid to watch the action on SuperSport, which isnt free to air - given that Cricket boards receive money from the networks - I believe that makes me the textbook definition of a paying customer... Paid to watch an event - given that you know as well as I do that keepers are not barred from maintaining the ball... Then long as he performed in the framework of the game, yes I paid to watch him handle the ball.

If a Chinese car looks like an X5, does that make it an X5? Silver looks a lot like platinum - can we go off an sell it at 1k per ounce?
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Post by Pal Joey on Sun 02 Mar 2014, 6:44 am

I've been paying for over 40 years to watch Test cricket and subscribed to pay TV for around 20 years.

I never look at on-field decisions in terms of having "paid to watch" though. The thought has never even occurred to me. Maybe it's because we have such different backgrounds and different quality/quantity of sporting experience. The two things never intersect in my mind.

I watch sport purely for pleasure and never go away thinking ... that wasn't worth the $ or anything like that. It's more like: I hope the team performs better next time (if they lose) and what a great experience that was to witness (if they win). Whether I paid $5 in 1980 or $50 in 2007... is irrelevant and means nothing to me whatsoever.

Anyway... we better move on. Big day ahead for us.
You can throw a virtual custard pie in my face if SA manage to upend Australia in the coming days.
(no shredded glass or nails mixed in please!)
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Post by kingraf on Sun 02 Mar 2014, 7:00 am

Sorry you asked me how I'm a paying customer, I explained... Never go to a match thinking I've only got my money's worth if we win... Went to the day 4 test at Centurion when defeat was inevitable, and I stayed until the Post match interviews. South Africa's never won a test at the Wanderers against Australia - and I've been to the 2002 (was a little young here, but I remember seeing the board go up congratulating Gilchrist on hitting the fastest double ton in history) , 2006, 2009, and 2011 tests... Hardly a case of paying to watch only the result, and making sure I got my money's worth. My statement clearly says I paid to watch an event... Nowhere do I mention on-field decisions, whatever that means. You seem quite intent on putting words in my mouth, given the fact that you still haven't given the quote where I devalued Australias recent performances...
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Post by Pal Joey on Sun 02 Mar 2014, 7:15 am

The devaluing bit was directed at skye. Sorry to disappoint you there, mate.
(yours was the name calling bit, remember?)

So what's the weather like in Capetown I wonder?

I bet HD Ackerman will be praying for rain... he adds a lot to the commentary team sometimes.

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Post by kingraf on Sun 02 Mar 2014, 7:23 am

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I'm a bit surprised at kingraf and skye resorting to name calling and devaluing the Australian performances of late. What's your problem, guys?

Sorry, but there is no separation of clauses here - the inference is that Skye AND myself have resorted to name calling AND devaluing Australia's recent performances...
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Post by kingraf on Sun 02 Mar 2014, 7:29 am

Apparently there is rain forecast... But Cape Town weather forecast aren't worth a look. 60% chance of rain means it could rain, or there might not be a cloud in the sky. While a 30 degree prediction means that you probably need an umbrella just in case... All Cape Town has is a stupid mountain, some vineyards, and cycling lanes. Johannesburg rules!!!
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Post by Pal Joey on Sun 02 Mar 2014, 7:32 am

Yes, it can be read that way as well. It should now all be clear if you carefully read it again.
Take it from me: I wasn't accusing you of devaluing Australia's recent performances... only the silly name calling part... which is plainly there for all to see.

I can understand how Warner's performance must have riled you so much. As I have said previously; I'm not a huge fan of his personality type but I do enjoy watching him bat.
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Post by kingraf on Sun 02 Mar 2014, 7:35 am

I enjoy watching Warner bat myself, admittedly it's way more fun when he isn't doing to my team - but I'm certainly not against giving him his due - Think I called this his best ever ton earlier on...

I'm just a bigger fan of Steve Smith - who I really didn't rate at all seven months ago - quickly become my second favorite bat in the world after Clarke.
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Post by kingraf on Sun 02 Mar 2014, 7:37 am

Pictures of Table Mountain showing some impressive cloud cover - not raining yet but some seriously grey clouds.
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