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Post by sirfredperry on Thu 27 Feb 2014, 2:19 pm

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So, a decider at Cape Town where, I gather, big crowds are expected. The only bad thing about this match is that it's the last in the series. This really would have made for a great 5-Test series.

Difficult to call this one. SA did wonderfully to come back at PE after the drubbing in the 1st Test. Much will depend on who bats first. Could be that the team that bats first will win the match. Interesting sidebar is the form of Clarke, who (I think) has not passed 24 in the last five tests. Until PE, they were winning without his contributions, but he may well be needed in Cape Town.

Who am I going for? Almost too close to call. Who are you going for?


South Africa:
GC Smith*, AN Petersen, D Elgar, HM Amla, AB de Villiers†, F du Plessis, JP Duminy, KJ Abbott, VD Philander, DW Steyn, M Morkel

Australia:
DA Warner, CJL Rogers, SR Watson, AJ Doolan, MJ Clarke*, SPD Smith, BJ Haddin†, MG Johnson, RJ Harris, JL Pattinson, NM Lyon

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Post by skyeman on Wed 05 Mar 2014, 4:31 pm

Just don't go out with Rolf Wink

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Post by kingraf on Wed 05 Mar 2014, 4:37 pm

Haha LB - I can't even remember most childhood games, but I can tell you that I remember watching Australia chase all of 10 in 2001, and Gilchrist smashing a double ton at the Wanderers, or Hayward having the fear of god put into him by Brett Lee. Or Ponting smashing us to all parts. My childhood was irretrievably damaged by you lot, I thought those days were over alas!

Anyway - off to Soccer City to watch Brazil take on South Africa... hopefully the altitude does something. Cheers gentlemen, expect an extended series of articles querying where we went wrong, and who needs to be captain. And why Steven Smith is a better batsman then that there Warner
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Post by Pal Joey on Wed 05 Mar 2014, 4:39 pm

skyeman wrote:Just don't go out with Rolf Wink

I'm just glad he lives "over there", skye.

(Pretty sad and depressing revelations. Always thought he was a bit weird though.)

Raf, SA can get some revenge on our football team on May 26.
We play Ecuador in a few hours... they'll probably will get pasted liked NZ was this evening by Japan in Tokyo. We're hopeless with the round ball!
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Post by Biltong on Wed 05 Mar 2014, 4:59 pm

Linebreaker wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:
Linebreaker wrote:Take it easy on all things Australian, Raf.

I know exactly how you feel given your last tour here.

May I suggest you go to the zoo and pat a kangaroo, kiss a sheila and blow on a didgeridoo. 

Well, that's my plan for the day.
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Linebreaker - make sure you don't do any of those things the wrong way round or it might be a while before we next hear from you!  Wink 

That might be a blessing for most of the folks on here, Guildford. I shall heed your advice of course and focus on the correct order of the plan.  Smile

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I can see that go wrong when you decide to blow a Kangeroo and pat your didgeridoo.  Whistle 
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Post by Guest on Wed 05 Mar 2014, 5:17 pm

fantastic effort from SA a real fantastic rear-guard, but the aussies plugged away, and IMO deservedly won the series.

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Post by Pal Joey on Wed 05 Mar 2014, 5:20 pm

Biltong wrote:
Linebreaker wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:
Linebreaker wrote:Take it easy on all things Australian, Raf.

I know exactly how you feel given your last tour here.

May I suggest you go to the zoo and pat a kangaroo, kiss a sheila and blow on a didgeridoo. 

Well, that's my plan for the day.
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Linebreaker - make sure you don't do any of those things the wrong way round or it might be a while before we next hear from you!  Wink 

That might be a blessing for most of the folks on here, Guildford. I shall heed your advice of course and focus on the correct order of the plan.  Smile

 Laugh 

I can see that go wrong when you decide to blow a Kangeroo and pat your didgeridoo.  Whistle 

 Laugh I wish I'd never mentioned it now.

Anything's possible when one lacks a proper sleep. I better get some now.

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Wed 05 Mar 2014, 11:34 pm

Excellent series with huge swings in fortunes. clap  clap  Can see why it's difficult for someone like Smith to keep levels of intensity going after so many matches at the top.

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Post by sirfredperry on Thu 06 Mar 2014, 10:51 am

A tremendous series. I thought SA were going to be able to bat it out, but a great finish by Harris.
Agree it would have been nice to have a 5-Test series but have to disagree with any suggestion that there was not much between the sides.
Yes, it was very hard-fought and yes, SA had their moments. But really Aus dominated two out of three Tests and thoroughly deserved their win. They really do need to find a decent spinner, though. Lyon really should have been among the wickets in such a long innings.

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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 06 Mar 2014, 11:12 am

There's James Muirhead who may be one to watch out for in the near future.

Disagree about Lyon, raf. (your post is gone!)

The pitch held together quite well throughout the Test. 22 overs for 10 runs was quite an achievement I thought. He was the perfect foil for the strike bowlers on the day and the SA batsman were forced to treat him with some respect.

SA, on the other hand, still need to find a decent specialist spin bowler/s. That was probably one of the reasons why Australia got through - the sheer variety of their bowling attack... pace, seam, swing, spin both ways. Clarke managed them very well too - almost perfectly rotating them around given the immense challenge on such a beautiful batting wicket.
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Post by sirfredperry on Thu 06 Mar 2014, 12:03 pm

LB - agree that Clarke handled bowlers well and Smith came up with a crucial wicket. But they almost failed to bowl SA out over a vastly-long innings and they DID fail in that epic rearguard in the series against SA at home fairly recently.
Warne, of course, would have polished matters off with no fuss and probably a fully-fit Swann would have wrapped it up, too.
OK, you won't see another Warne for a while, but another McGill would be handy. Any half-decent spinner for SA would be useful, too.

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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 06 Mar 2014, 2:11 pm

sirfredperry wrote:LB - agree that Clarke handled bowlers well and Smith came up with a crucial wicket. But they almost failed to bowl SA out over a vastly-long innings and they DID fail in that epic rearguard in the series against SA at home fairly recently.
  Warne, of course, would have polished matters off with no fuss and probably a fully-fit Swann would have wrapped it up, too.
 OK, you won't see another Warne for a while, but another McGill would be handy. Any half-decent spinner for SA would be useful, too.  

"almost failed to bowl SA out"? Did you watch any of the match, sirfred?  Nice try.  Wink 

Come on... they took the 20 wickets. That's all that matters, surely? Also, don't forget they had to get Faf and Vern out 3 times... so they actually had to take 22 wickets in this match. No wonder they were so tired busting their guts on a batsman's paradise.

Forget Swann and Adelaide. That match is history and so is Graeme Swann - the deserter.
What about Australia being unbeaten in a Test series in SA since 1970?
(Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin were still alive the last time SA won a series v Australia at home...  not counting the Rebel Tour obviously)  Shocked 

As for injuries - you do realise that Australia have tried out over 50 players in the last 6 or so years? It seems to be paying off. England should take heed of this since they are now entering into a similar phase to what Australia was in around 2008-9.
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Post by Biltong on Thu 06 Mar 2014, 2:46 pm

It is better to say unbeaten in 22 years, it is more realistic, eh?

The other 22 years we didn't play each other
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Post by kingraf on Thu 06 Mar 2014, 2:57 pm

No guarantee that Warne would have finished them off - a little simplistic, I'd say - Couldn't finish us off in the first test 2005, and nearly failed at it in Durban 2006, saved by umpires who didn't mind finishing a match off in darkness.
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Post by skyeman on Thu 06 Mar 2014, 2:59 pm

I must admit Lb has gotten a little more vociferous since the Brisbane Test. Make hay while the sun shines i say  Laugh

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Thu 06 Mar 2014, 3:05 pm

sirfredperry wrote:LB - agree that Clarke handled bowlers well and Smith came up with a crucial wicket. But they almost failed to bowl SA out over a vastly-long innings and they DID fail in that epic rearguard in the series against SA at home fairly recently.
  Warne, of course, would have polished matters off with no fuss and probably a fully-fit Swann would have wrapped it up, too.
 OK, you won't see another Warne for a while, but another McGill would be handy. Any half-decent spinner for SA would be useful, too.  

I'd argue a top class top 3 player is a bigger requirement.
There's still a couple of weak link in there one if whome isn't getting any younger.
Warners being playing the cricket of his life, will that last?
With Watson looking like a bit of a full in too it's not like the middle order is so devastatingly brilliant that they can carry brittleness up top.

With the quality of seam and options for variety from part time spinners Lyon only being decent isn't too big a worry. Spinners looked more of a problem 6 months ago than they do now anyway.


All that aside they've been head and shoulders the best team over the last 6 months.


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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 06 Mar 2014, 3:09 pm

skyeman wrote:I must admit Lb has gotten a little more vociferous since the Brisbane Test. Make hay while the sun shines i say  Laugh

Sure skye. How big is your hay shed? ....and when did you last see the Sun? Laugh 
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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 06 Mar 2014, 3:12 pm

Biltong wrote:It is better to say unbeaten in 22 years, it is more realistic, eh?

The other 22 years we didn't play each other

That traitor Mike Haysman did. What a turncoat. No wonder he fled the country!
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Post by skyeman on Thu 06 Mar 2014, 3:20 pm

Linebreaker wrote:
skyeman wrote:I must admit Lb has gotten a little more vociferous since the Brisbane Test. Make hay while the sun shines i say  Laugh

Sure skye. How big is your hay shed? ....and when did you last see the Sun? Laugh 


Touche.  Sun!  On Skye once a year. Glad they don't play cricket here  Laugh

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Post by sirfredperry on Fri 07 Mar 2014, 1:00 pm

Linebreaker: "almost failed to bowl SA out"? Did you watch any of the match, sirfred? Nice try.

Linebreaker. Take your point in that Australia did really well to get the 20 wickets (and I did watch quite a lot of the match, actually). But if you only get the last wicket (in fact the 9th and 10th wickets) with five overs to go after bowling 134 overs in the last innings, then YOU ALMOST FAILED TO BOWL THE OPPOSITION OUT.
That's not to distract from a fine performance from Aus and an heroic rearguard from SA.
Does anyone REALLY think Warne wouldn't have finished them off?

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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 07 Mar 2014, 1:18 pm

OK, they almost failed to bowl them out. Almost is not the same as DID. 20 wickets taken is what the record books will always show.

But those two perfect balls from Ryan Harris. WOW!! That's all they wanted. It went right down to the wire... but he got them. Not nearly... DID.
I've watched it a few times now and it just gets even better.  Very Happy 

"Fine" is an understatement. It was BRILLIANT. "Heroic"... yet FAILED. Not almost failed.
That is the huge difference in the actual outcome of the match - which you seem unwilling to acknowledge and unable to accept.

Interesting you mention Warne. He was quoted as saying he would have ripped through the lot of them (typical!)... and he probably would have.
As soon as I saw him there at the ground there was a feeling that, yes... something special could indeed happen. He couldn't inspire Lyon in the way he would have wanted but I still thought Lyon did his best on a placid wicket with SA content to block him out to try and survive the day.
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Post by sirfredperry on Fri 07 Mar 2014, 1:37 pm

LB: Yes, Warne was never short of confidence, was he? Probably made him the player he was. For me, he is one of the most electrifying players ever. I've had the same feelings for only a few others, in that as long as they were out there ANYTHING could happen.
  You could put Sobers in that category and Botham. Some of the other great all-rounders also spring to mind - Hadlee, Imran, Kapil Dev. May have missed some out.


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Post by KP_fan on Fri 07 Mar 2014, 2:03 pm

I see Haddin, Rogers and Harris are keen to compete in the 2015 ashes......while Harris definitely should......Rogers might...Haddin definitely shouldn't.

On the other hand........In just over a years time will be the next ashes.......so actually it's not that far away....


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Post by kingraf on Fri 07 Mar 2014, 2:05 pm

Not to make too fine a point - but if you asked Warne about his career - you'd probably think he climbed! Everest and slayed dragons with sharpened toothpicks....

failed to clean up a comparatively poorer South Africa here
www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/226371.html

Warne is of course superior to anyone bowling spin at the mo'... but it is humorous how often the result seems to change with "just add Warne"
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Fri 07 Mar 2014, 5:27 pm

SA sont even need his bowling. There's sections of the press reporting that it was warnes presence that inspired Australia's win.

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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 08 Mar 2014, 4:18 am

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Post by Guest on Fri 14 Mar 2014, 6:46 pm

im suprised there's been no talk about the t20's... OZ about to wrap up a series win.

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Post by kingraf on Fri 14 Mar 2014, 6:54 pm

Carp, we lost to a team with Brad Hogg and Brad Hodge... The summer couldn't have gone any worse. Nice of the Centurion crowd to sell out a stadium... and proceed to shut up for three whole hours. SS Park could really just be the worst ground in history
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Post by Guest on Fri 14 Mar 2014, 7:01 pm

SA had no variety in their seam attack... 3 left armer's... and albie morkel..

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Post by kingraf on Fri 14 Mar 2014, 7:15 pm

Tbh - I think we just struggle against Australia. Mental wall and all that. Still give us a good go of the world cup if we can somehow avoid theminem
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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 14 Mar 2014, 7:40 pm

Apologies... I didn't even bother to get up for this one (or even record it) since it started at 3am here and all I heard was that it was probably going to be another wash out.

Now at 06:30 - they're playing some replays of some old matches. So I assumed the above had occurred.

Raf, you need to play us more... not less.

No Warner I see and those old guys had a game... and they still won in a canter? The replay is on in about 6 hours. I might have a quick look at it but it's only T20.

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Post by kingraf on Fri 14 Mar 2014, 7:56 pm

Well - the Tests have been upgraded from 3 to four matches... I agree mate, we should play each other more, but not in South Africa, or World Cups
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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 14 Mar 2014, 8:01 pm

kingraf wrote:Well - the Tests have been upgraded from 3 to four matches... I agree mate, we should play each other more, but not in South Africa, or World Cups

Yeah, I saw that. Good news. I'd prefer an odd number though. Like 5. 3 was OK though... don't think I could have lasted another 2. It's been a huge summer for Australian cricket and us fans... it seemed to go on forever!

... not in SA, Australia and World Cups. Agree.  
Judging from all that sand (or sawdust) on the ground... maybe on a beach or in a sawmill somewhere? Laugh
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Post by kingraf on Fri 14 Mar 2014, 8:06 pm

Yeah - going 7-1 vs what started the summer as the two best teams in the world is a massive achievement. Don't know why but I like the number four for series'. Five always seems stupidly long, while three feels like a bastardized figure
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Post by kingraf on Fri 14 Mar 2014, 8:10 pm

maybe the beach - Couldn't bear to lose in a sawmill... Losing to Brad Hodge was embarrassing enough!!
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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 14 Mar 2014, 8:35 pm

What about losing to Hogg? He's 43 ffs!!

Don't worry... I'd like to do what you probably want to do - to wipe that smug smile off his dial. And the tongue thing... such an annoying player!
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 14 Mar 2014, 9:18 pm

LB I must apologise you were right my prediction pre tour was horse manure!

Although as soon as predict they'll storm the world, they'll probably fall away, just how I roll Laugh Wink
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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 15 Mar 2014, 2:27 am

Olly wrote:LB I must apologise you were right my prediction pre tour was horse manure!

Although as soon as predict they'll storm the world, they'll probably fall away, just how I roll LaughWink

No apologies necessary, mate. We all makes mistakes. Even I predicted a 2-2 draw in the Ashes.  kiss 

Even Nostradamus didn't predict Wigan beating ManC twice in 2 years (and losing heavily in between). Or did he?  Headscratch Laugh 
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