Ongoing NFL Discussion Thread V

[Lowlandbrit]

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On Gabbert we may laugh now

And for good reason: www.deadspin.com/the-49ers-traded-for-a-historically-awful-quarterback

[sodhat]

You've got Lamarr Houston, Bull.

He's a good DE. Not a difference maker but a decent player against the pass and the run. Has the size to play a 4-3 or 3-4. I'd probably have kept him if we switched to a 3-4 this year.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Well here is something to please Olly in the morning

@AdamSchefter: CB Darrelle Revis and the New England Patriots have reached agreement on a one-year, $12 million deal, league sources told ESPN.

WOW!!!

Geno throwing towards Revis is gonna be fun

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Redskins seem to be adopting a "we can't win next season so let's not try" approach to FA this year. Makes sense.

Eric Decker has signed with the Jets BTW. What's NYJ's thoughts on that? Can he be a number 1? Suppose it's a little like when Garcon joined the Redskins and he's done OK.

Skins apparently are interested in Sproles. Would be a nice change of pace guy with Morris

[sodhat]

Redskins seem to be adopting a "we can't win next season so let's not try" approach to FA this year. Makes sense.

Eric Decker has signed with the Jets BTW. What's NYJ's thoughts on that? Can he be a number 1? Suppose it's a little like when Garcon joined the Redskins and he's done OK.

Skins apparently are interested in Sproles. Would be a nice change of pace guy with Morris

Traded to the Eagles instead   

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

So I see Carolina are well behind the times, for some reason paying 3 RB's boatloads of cash and have literally no WR's as they're bizarrely ditching the heart of the team in Steve Smith.

They're gonna return to 5-11 next year it seems

[sodhat]

I dunno, running plus a great defense can still work.

Seattle weren't outstanding at WR either. Power running still has a place.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I dunno, running plus a great defense can still work.

Seattle weren't outstanding at WR either. Power running still has a place.

Yeah but Seattle had some playmaking WR's in Baldwin, Kearse and Tate. Carolina has Marvin McNutt at this moment.

And Stewart is always injured, DeAngelo Williams is fairly Meh.

They're going back to the bottom of the NFC South sharpish

[sodhat]

I'm not so sure. It's a competitive division so it is possible, and I suppose it depends what WRs they pick up. With that defense they should be competitive in most games if they grind the clock.

But don't you EVER doubt Marvin McNutt.

[Pr4wn]

Bucs have signed Anthony Collins to a 5 year deal.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Jags continue their Seattle makeover with Chris Clemons joining

[sodhat]

Raiders continue to look at their big pile of money.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Raiders continue to look at their big pile of money.

Nobody wants to go there, its a sad situation. Or funny

Browner has a visit with Washington lined up too, hope we sign him.

Seems the Browns are gonna overpay for Edelman so we need even more WR's now

[sodhat]

It's not so much no-one wanting to go there. More that we're not actually doing anything...

[NYJ]

Bucs spending big in Free Agency. Again.

[NYJ]

Also Jets sign former Seattle RT, Breno Giacomini. Would have preferred Austin Howard but I'll wait for the numbers.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Bucs spending big in Free Agency. Again.

To be fair I think they've spent shrewdly this year. Collins is good, Verner a steal at that price, and some other nice pickups

[Pr4wn]

Collins has very limited experience but his numbers last year were outstanding in his 12 starts. Best pass blocking grade on PFF in the entire NFL. Still a big vocontract though.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Albert Breer‏@AlbertBreer·8m
Breakdown of Revis' deal: He gets $10 million to sign, $1.5 million base salary, $500,000 in per-game roster bonuses up to 15 games for '14.

Albert Breer‏@AlbertBreer·now
In 2015, he has a $12 million roster bonus due of 4/1/15, payable if his option is exercised by end of '14 league year. $7.5M base for '15.

Albert Breer‏@AlbertBreer·now
Because there's the option on Revis' deal, I believe that splits his cap hit, and makes his cap hit $6.5 million for 2014.

Albert Breer‏@AlbertBreer·now
Revis' '15 club option: $20 million. A $12M roster bonus (due 4/1/15), $7.5M base, $500K in per-game bonuses, up to 15 games ($333K/game).

Albert Breer‏@AlbertBreer·now
So the Patriots didn't give on the franchise-tag provision, which is a precedent thing with them. But logistically, they can't tag him.

Revis deal breakdown

[Number-25]

Redskins seem to be adopting a "we can't win next season so let's not try" approach to FA this year. Makes sense.

Eric Decker has signed with the Jets BTW. What's NYJ's thoughts on that? Can he be a number 1? Suppose it's a little like when Garcon joined the Redskins and he's done OK.

Skins apparently are interested in Sproles. Would be a nice change of pace guy with Morris

Traded to the Eagles instead   

Good on them. Wouldn't have made any sense for us to give up a draft pick for a 30 year old RB who got injured last season. Players don't get more durable as they get older, especially RBs. I'd rather we just keep developing Roy Helu as our 3rd down back.

Mind you, the Redskins of old would have made a deal for Sproles.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Basically Revis's cap number for this year is 7 million and 25 million next season (not happening)

[Number-25]

Redskins' masterplan has become apparent.... we've signed Tracy Porter

In your face Revis, Talib and the rest of you overpaid primmadonnas!

  

[Pr4wn]

Steve Smith has officially been cut.

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Vince Wilfork asks for his release

To Denver!

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It doesn't get better in Oakland as Tuck gets 11m over 2 years

[Lowlandbrit]

It doesn't get better in Oakland as Tuck gets 11m over 2 years

Has the doctor Mark Davis given the all-clear on that one?

[Pr4wn]

Donald Penn released by Tampa.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Vince Wilfork asks for his release

To Denver!

Oh Vince just take the restructure for the love of god

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Tommy Kelly restructures, he'll be back next year. Next up Dan Connolly. He ain't making 4m next year, so he's either gone or restructured

[Pr4wn]

Connolly is awful. I'd just get rid and draft someone.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Connolly is awful. I'd just get rid and draft someone.

Cannon can play guard pretty well, but I think we'll let Wendell go (awful player), move Connolly to centre and Cannon to guard then draft a late round guy.

[Number-25]

So with the signing of Revis and the courting of Browner, is this an admission from the Patriots that Bill doesn't have a clue how to identify a good CB in the draft? They've drafted loads in the first 3 rounds over the last few years.... what's happened to them? Have we found The Hoodie's weakness??

[Pr4wn]

It doesn't get better in Oakland as Tuck gets 11m over 2 years

Oakland and "Tuck"

Bad omen?

[Bull]

I get that joke with my awful knowledge   

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

So with the signing of Revis and the courting of Browner, is this an admission from the Patriots that Bill doesn't have a clue how to identify a good CB in the draft? They've drafted loads in the first 3 rounds over the last few years.... what's happened to them? Have we found The Hoodie's weakness??

Woah you mean Ras-I-Dowling was a bust?!!?!!   

Dennard and Ryan look like they could be nice #2 corners, but yes Mr Belichick hasn't been so great there.

I don't think we'll get Browner, can see someone else chucking more money at him.

Good to see the Skins got Porter. Only ranked 106 of 110 CB's by PFF last year eh?

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Jason Hatcher to the Redskins

[Guest]

oakland sign Lamaar Woodley

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Only the Redskins would consider loading up on Dallas defenders a viable strategy

[NYJ]

Jason Hatcher was actually pretty decent last year. Best part of a very bad defense.

[Number-25]

Only the Redskins would consider loading up on Dallas defenders a viable strategy

  Next up.... Anthony Spencer anyone? And anyway, Oakland wanted Hatcher too..... yeah, ok.

Yeah, not mad about the signing. He was good last year like NYJ says but on the otherhand, he's 32 and last year was easily his best. Still, he has better recent form than DeMarcus Ware and Elway is being hailed a genius for signing him for more money than we're giving Hatcher. I hope we've not guaranteed him too much. On the face of it 27.5m over 4 years frightens me but I wanna see how much is guaranteed before I judge. We certainly needed help up front.

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Started strong then faded off down the stretch.

If you want a chuckle check out Dallas' projected starting DL

[sodhat]

Tuck and Woodley suggest we aren't seeking a pass rusher with our #5 pick.

Even if they are both a little down from their peaks they are better than what we had. Because something is by default better than nothing.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

So Edelman to visit the 49ers today, really checking out his market. I'd be surprised if he left us though...

Browner close to a deal with us. Good stuff

[mikeygnfl]

So Edelman to visit the 49ers today, really checking out his market. I'd be surprised if he left us though...

He comes from the Bay Area... Nicks is also being said to be interesting the 49ers. Walter Thurmond is another in talks with the 49ers.

[Number-25]

Browner is going ahead with his visit with Washington today apparently. Am surprised that he'd be allowed out of Boston without signing.

Still, we'll see. He'd certainly be a big upgrade for us but I'll be very surprised if we get him. Surely New England would have more appeal for him and I'm not sure we could afford him. Would like to see it happen though.

[Lowlandbrit]

http://thebiglead.com/8-percent-of-free-agents-who-sign-deals-of-five-or-more-years-actually-make-it-that-long-with-team

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Browner cancelled his trip to Washington

Honestly I dont get the hype, Maxwell and Lane were both better and he's suspended 4 games

[sodhat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sherman_%28American_football%29

Looks like DeAngelo Hall has been tampering with Sherman's wiki page.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Spikes is visiting Buffalo, where Kiko Alonso is being moved to OLB.

So funny cos Bills fans last two years have done nowt but talk about how crap Spikes is when we played them, now they're making him sound like the second coming

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Browner's visit to Washington is "back on"

I think we can all see this is trying to get more money out of us, seeming as Browner himself has told his personal friends he's signing with NE

[GSC]

Browner cancelled his trip to Washington

Honestly I dont get the hype, Maxwell and Lane were both better and he's suspended 4 games

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