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Post by KP_fan on Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:55 pm

World T20 has started again...seems  like a few months back WI won it........
I think this will be turned into a 4 year event...and rightly so.

so far:

--BD beat Afghanistan........avenging their Asia cup defeat...and BD were talking up the win as if it's an achievement......well maybe it is...shows where they have set their bar or expectations. I can't be excited watching or following such a game.

--Nepal beat Hongkong.......is this a surprise ?...I have no clue where / how either of these teams stand?....and no interest either.

--and the big upset IRE beat Zim off the last ball...and that too without their stars Morgan and Boyd Rankin Wink
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Post by KP_fan on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:06 pm

Ohh..... I see the format now there are 8 minnow playing against each other and only 2 will go through to play the 8 regular.

Can't understand why these lower level minnow games cannot be sorted out in some kinda associate cup or qualifier cup separate from the main event.

I can see though inspite of their unconditional support to the BIG 3.......the smallest two i.e Zim and BD have been relegated to the "minnow qualifier group"
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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:47 pm

KP_fan wrote:Ohh..... I see the format now there are 8 minnow playing against each other and only 2 will go through to play the 8 regular.

Can't understand why these lower level minnow games cannot be sorted out in some kinda associate cup or qualifier cup separate from the main event.

I can see though inspite of their unconditional support to the BIG 3.......the smallest two i.e Zim and BD have been relegated to the "minnow qualifier group"

1. There are pre-qualifier competions in place, that is how the six Associates who made it to Bangladesh got there.
2. Zim and BD are both in the qualifier group because they were 9th and 10th in the T20 World Rankings as had been agreed. Had Zim and/or BD had been ranked 8th or above they would have qualified direct. So have no idea what you are talking about, with regards to Big 3 and unconditial support.


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Post by KP_fan on Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:01 pm

so if Eng OR India were to drop to No. 9 would they be playing the qualifiers  Whistle
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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:02 pm

Ireland really need Rankin back :/ we literally have nobody to take his place. Apart from the spinners, There were only part timers bowling against Zim which nearly cost us.

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Post by VTR on Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:11 pm

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--and the big upset IRE beat Zim off the last ball...and that too without their stars Morgan and Boyd Rankin Wink

I don't think that was a big shock - Zimbabwe are in disarray for the umpteenth time and the feeling was that Ireland with an experienced and settled side, and coming off the back of some good performances vs the Windies, were slight favourites to beat them.

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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth on Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:33 pm

KP_fan wrote:so if Eng OR India were to drop to No. 9  would they be playing the qualifiers  Whistle

I am sure they would have. Wither they would have come up with the same qualifying criteria had, at the time it looked possible that either could drop as low as 9th is debatable.

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Post by KP_fan on Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:46 pm

Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:
KP_fan wrote:so if Eng OR India were to drop to No. 9  would they be playing the qualifiers  Whistle

I am sure they would have.  Wither they would have come up with the same qualifying criteria had, at the time it looked possible that either could drop as low as 9th is debatable.

In T20 I would say Ind, Eng and NZ are the most vulnerable T20 sides who ...... Zim or BD might displace in their favourable conditions and during a purple patch
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Post by Guest on Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:45 pm

NZ are a very good limited overs side now KP fan, and i think they would be ok..

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Post by Guest on Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:49 pm

OZ have a big decision IMO on the spinner... Hogg or Muirehad? Or both...?

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Post by sportform on Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:22 pm

Completely stupid format. The scheduling/ structure of cricket tournaments and calendar is pretty much a joke anyway.

Cricket could really do with someone like Sepp Blatter to help make the game more international rather than 'franchise' based.

The plainly obvious structure for this World Cup would have been:-

1st Round (four groups of four teams)
Group A - South Africa, England, Afghanistan, Nepal
Group B - Sri Lanka, New Zealand, Bangladesh, Netherlands
Group C - Pakistan, Australia, Hong Kong, UAE
Group D - India, West Indies, Ireland, Zimbabwae

2nd Round (two groups of four teams)
The top two in each group from the 1st round qualify
Group E South Africa, Bangladesh, Pakistan, West Indies (winners of A & C, runners up B & D)
Group F England, Sri Lanka, Australia, India (winners of B & D, runners up A & C)

Semi Finals
Winners of Group E v Runners Up of Group F
Winners of Group F v Runners Up of Group E

Final
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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth on Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:46 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:
KP_fan wrote:so if Eng OR India were to drop to No. 9  would they be playing the qualifiers  Whistle

I am sure they would have.  Wither they would have come up with the same qualifying criteria had, at the time it looked possible that either could drop as low as 9th is debatable.

In T20 I would say Ind, Eng and NZ are the most vulnerable T20 sides who ...... Zim or BD might displace in their favourable conditions and during a purple patch

Yes, either of Zim and BD could beat anyone on their day, but the qualification was based over a longer period and both of them had the chance to make the top 8 and qualify automatically but didn't.

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Post by Barney92 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:54 pm

I wonder though if they continue with this format next time around and it happens that Ireland/Afghanistan or whoever (Ireland most likely) get into 8th place in the rankings would they gain automatic qualification. I realise that it's unlikely to happen but with Ireland currently ranked 9th it's not impossible.

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Post by Guest on Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:45 pm

Bangladesh cruising against Nepal

Chasing 125 they are 53-0 from 6 overs

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Post by atletico86 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:31 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Ireland really need Rankin back :/  we literally have nobody to take his place. Apart from the spinners, There were only part timers bowling against Zim which nearly cost us.

ya we really miss him, part of the reason i was so peeved when we lost him. Craig Young is supposed to have genuine pace but his development has stalled due to injury, and has only rly got back to fitness. Think this tournament is couple of yrs too early for him. There is a young 1yr old called marc adair who is supposed to be a quality quick bowler.
They see cusack more as a bowler these days, but think we should replace him with murtagh. Still dont understand how niall o'brien doesnt feature. Big Phil still holds a grudge against him after the BPL incident in 2012. If we have him as wicketkeeper and wilson out in the field

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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:25 pm

atletico86 wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:Ireland really need Rankin back :/  we literally have nobody to take his place. Apart from the spinners, There were only part timers bowling against Zim which nearly cost us.

ya we really miss him, part of the reason i was so peeved when we lost him. Craig Young is supposed to have genuine pace but his development has stalled due to injury, and has only rly got back to fitness. Think this tournament is couple of yrs too early for him. There is a young 1yr old called marc adair who is supposed to be a quality quick bowler.
They see cusack more as a bowler these days, but think we should replace him with murtagh. Still dont understand how niall o'brien doesnt feature. Big Phil still holds a grudge against him after the BPL incident in 2012. If we have him as wicketkeeper and wilson out in the field
Cusack can barely bowl at even this level I'm afraid. Imagine what will happen when he bowls against one of the top 8 teams  Shocked 

Its good to hear there are youngsters coming through. They need to be exposed as quick as possible though as our bowling is currently a major problem now that Rankin and even Johnston are not there. I don't think we will be causing any major upsets for once.

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Post by Guest on Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:01 pm

jesus christ chasing 180 we're 91-3 from 14!!! 88 needed from 6 overs!

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Post by atletico86 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:59 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
atletico86 wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:Ireland really need Rankin back :/  we literally have nobody to take his place. Apart from the spinners, There were only part timers bowling against Zim which nearly cost us.

ya we really miss him, part of the reason i was so peeved when we lost him. Craig Young is supposed to have genuine pace but his development has stalled due to injury, and has only rly got back to fitness. Think this tournament is couple of yrs too early for him. There is a young 1yr old called marc adair who is supposed to be a quality quick bowler.
They see cusack more as a bowler these days, but think we should replace him with murtagh. Still dont understand how niall o'brien doesnt feature. Big Phil still holds a grudge against him after the BPL incident in 2012. If we have him as wicketkeeper and wilson out in the field
Cusack can barely bowl at even this level I'm afraid. Imagine what will happen when he bowls against one of the top 8 teams  Shocked 

Its good to hear there are youngsters coming through. They need to be exposed as quick as possible though as our bowling is currently a major problem now that Rankin and even Johnston are not there. I don't think we will be causing any major upsets for once.

Well leinsterFan4life cusack did just play 2 T20 internationals against the West Indies and had combined figures from the 8 overs over the 2 games of 28-6!! But I know what you mean he is only a military-medium pace bowler and the wickets in bangledesh do not seem to suit him. I would drop him personally. I also forgot to mention another young bowler (21yrs old) at gloucstershire called graeme mccarter who has played several games in county cricket, and I really don't understand his absence from the squad especially with john mooney's situation and trent's retirement.
Anyway decent win today and big game versus holland on friday. Really hope we win it.

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Post by KP_fan on Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:44 pm

India lost the practise game vs. Pak and won vs. Eng.
These games are joke......you can play all 15 players
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Post by electronaut on Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:28 pm

KP_fan wrote:India lost the practise game vs. Pak and won vs. Eng.
These games Eng are joke.....

FTFY - I  think we  are  something  like  one  win  in  eight  in T20  Shocked

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Post by KP_fan on Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:36 am

electronaut wrote:
KP_fan wrote:India lost the practise game vs. Pak and won vs. Eng.
These games Eng are joke.....

FTFY - I  think we  are  something  like  one  win  in  eight  in T20  Shocked

I think they are missing the most expensive T20 player in the world....he who shall not be named because the remaining players refused to play with him Wink
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:44 pm

Im not so convinced by the KP factor. The 18 months without him England pottered along fine (he played in one no result). Its only the last 6 months theyve really dipped , and thats partly down to several other senior players getting injured, retiring or being unavailable.

Sure hed walk into this side under normal circumstances but he aint the only reason they are losing.

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Post by KP_fan on Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:25 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Im not so convinced by the KP factor. The 18 months without him England pottered along fine (he played in one no result). Its only the last 6 months theyve really dipped , and thats partly down to several other senior players getting injured, retiring or being unavailable.

Sure hed walk into this side under normal circumstances but he aint the only reason they are losing.

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Post by KP_fan on Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:27 pm

HK chasing 109 in 20 overs to win......can they down BD today....it would be major upset
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:36 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Im not so convinced by the KP factor. The 18 months without him England pottered along fine (he played in one no result). Its only the last 6 months theyve really dipped , and thats partly down to several other senior players getting injured, retiring or being unavailable.

Sure hed walk into this side under normal circumstances but he aint the only reason they are losing.

DELUSIONAL

Really?

Youy think KP would single handedly turn this team into winners?
That Root Broad Swann Stokes arent loses to the side too? And that the selection of Wright/Dernbach/Parry hasnt exactly helped?

Can you explain how they had a winning percentage that was better in the first 18 months without KP than the last 18 months they had him if he were the sole reason the side was able to win games?

Please dont start on this, it gets embarrassing. Its not delusional to suggest he isnt the only reason for Englands decline

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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:09 pm

hong kong beat Banladesh by 2 wickets!!!!  However Bangladesh still go through.

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Post by skyeman on Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:40 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Im not so convinced by the KP factor. The 18 months without him England pottered along fine (he played in one no result). Its only the last 6 months theyve really dipped , and thats partly down to several other senior players getting injured, retiring or being unavailable.

Sure hed walk into this side under normal circumstances but he aint the only reason they are losing.

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Really?

Youy think KP would single handedly turn this team into winners?
That Root Broad Swann Stokes arent loses to the side too? And that the selection of Wright/Dernbach/Parry hasnt exactly helped?

Can you explain how they had a winning percentage that was better in the first 18 months without KP than the last 18 months they had him if he were the sole reason the side was able to win games?

Please dont start on this, it gets embarrassing. Its not delusional to suggest he isnt the only reason for Englands decline


100% agree. KP from his own want! has not really sought to be included in the shorter formats. So, please, please stop this diatribe, KP fan.

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Post by skyeman on Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:43 pm

Mercenaries, but with a piece of wood Shocked 


As i have said, everything is about money.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:04 pm

atletico86 wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:
atletico86 wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:Ireland really need Rankin back :/  we literally have nobody to take his place. Apart from the spinners, There were only part timers bowling against Zim which nearly cost us.

ya we really miss him, part of the reason i was so peeved when we lost him. Craig Young is supposed to have genuine pace but his development has stalled due to injury, and has only rly got back to fitness. Think this tournament is couple of yrs too early for him. There is a young 1yr old called marc adair who is supposed to be a quality quick bowler.
They see cusack more as a bowler these days, but think we should replace him with murtagh. Still dont understand how niall o'brien doesnt feature. Big Phil still holds a grudge against him after the BPL incident in 2012. If we have him as wicketkeeper and wilson out in the field
Cusack can barely bowl at even this level I'm afraid. Imagine what will happen when he bowls against one of the top 8 teams  Shocked 

Its good to hear there are youngsters coming through. They need to be exposed as quick as possible though as our bowling is currently a major problem now that Rankin and even Johnston are not there. I don't think we will be causing any major upsets for once.

Well leinsterFan4life cusack did just play 2 T20 internationals against the West Indies and had combined figures from the 8 overs over the 2 games of 28-6!! But I know what you mean he is only a military-medium pace bowler and the wickets in bangledesh do not seem to suit him. I would drop him personally. I also forgot to mention another young bowler (21yrs old) at gloucstershire called graeme mccarter who has played several games in county cricket, and I really don't understand his absence from the squad especially with john mooney's situation and trent's retirement.
Anyway decent win today and big game versus holland on friday. Really hope we win it.
Every pro is capable of big performances but you need to be able to do it consistently. He hasn't backed that performance up I'm afraid even though it was against weaker nations. I'd leave him in for his experience but we could do with finding another Rankin.

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Post by KP_fan on Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:26 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Im not so convinced by the KP factor. The 18 months without him England pottered along fine (he played in one no result). Its only the last 6 months theyve really dipped , and thats partly down to several other senior players getting injured, retiring or being unavailable.

Sure hed walk into this side under normal circumstances but he aint the only reason they are losing.

DELUSIONAL

Really?

Its not delusional to suggest he isnt the only reason for Englands decline


I am afraid it is.
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Post by KP_fan on Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:27 pm

HK beat BD.....

when BD plays.....odds are "betting against the odds" might yield windfall gains
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Post by skyeman on Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:20 pm

Got to disagree with the latest rhetoric from Jonathan Agnew once again whom seems anti England recently. Does he just want to sell stupid articles?

They may not be good enough in T20, but to suggest they lack power to hit the big shots is ridiculous. Seven of the England team can hit the big hits as far as anyone bar a few in world cricket.

Application is the problem, not power.


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Post by skyeman on Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:24 pm

Reminds me of the ex football pros who said just two weeks ago that NO English teams would be in the quarter finals of the European Championships.

Anything for a story, and for money. They look stupid now!!

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:29 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Im not so convinced by the KP factor. The 18 months without him England pottered along fine (he played in one no result). Its only the last 6 months theyve really dipped , and thats partly down to several other senior players getting injured, retiring or being unavailable.

Sure hed walk into this side under normal circumstances but he aint the only reason they are losing.

DELUSIONAL

Really?

Its not delusional to suggest he isnt the only reason for Englands decline


I am afraid it is.

 picard  The dip happened a year after he stopped playing for them, and their current form is no worse than 2007 when KP was fit and played. From the 2010 wc winners theres only 5 players in the current England set up, one of those is injured and two didnt play the last game.
The squad has changed , the coaches have changed, the tactics have changed, the rules have changed, the balls have changed, the sides morale has crashed and the senior players are coming off the back of a long horrible winter tour after a long tough summer.
But not picking a guy who hasnt played a completed game for over two years is the only reason they arent doing well? Hmm.

I know you are utterly incapable of having rational discussions but for the love of christ this is just silly even by your standards.

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Post by atletico86 on Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:23 pm

Big game tomorrow for Ireland, really hope we win. Much depends on Stirlo being fit and if we get Cooper early...not going to be able to get any work done in the afternoon tomorrow

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Post by skyeman on Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:56 pm

They deserve it, looked much better than Zimbabwe.

Could cause a few problems for the other teams in Super Ten too. Very Happy 

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Post by JDizzle on Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:39 am

Ireland need to win to progress.
Netherlands need to win within 14.2 overs to qualify.
If the Netherlands win after that, Zimbabwe qualify.

Ireland look good and make 189. KOB 42* off 16!

But the Netherlands, and Stephen Myburgh (63 off 23) have gone berserk and are 98-2 off 6.3 overs! Giving it a real go. Just lost two quick wickets though, if they played safe they would win easily from here you'd think, but their need to get there in 14 overs gives Ireland a chance to pull this one out.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:53 am

I think not making the super 10 has saved the bowlers. They would have been smashed around the place.

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Post by guildfordbat on Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:31 pm

Have to applaud the Netherlands for a magnificent effort.  clap 

I'm far from an expert on Irish cricket but felt through their last few games Ireland never looked quite so convincing or compact as in recent years. Not surprisingly they appear to miss the 'old reliable' Trent Johnston. Suspect that the absent and unwell Mooney also provided a bit of glue which the side could have done with.

A bad drop by Joyce off Dockrell's bowling to give Barresi a life. That would have had the Netherlands 4 down with still more than 80 to get. The way they blitzed things, it probably wouldn't have changed the outcome but it would have added pressure and just might have made a difference.

All in all though, the Dutch deserved it. For older posters - Total Cricket!  Very Happy 

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Post by Barney92 on Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:46 pm

That is quite the kick in the teeth. Perhaps catching Cooper early on would've made a difference but fair play to the Netherlands. I'm glad it was another associate who got through if it wasn't going to be Ireland.

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Post by jimbohammers on Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:48 pm

For those who say 20/20 is 'boring' or 'a waste of time' go back and watch that game.

Superb form the Netherlands  clap 

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Post by KP_fan on Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:57 pm

India limits Pak to 130-7......very gettable...for this Indian line-up

Dhoni is a diffrent captain when the ball is spinning and gripping.....as many a 3 specialist and 2 part time spinners......he grips the game by the neck quite quickly
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:58 pm

For anyone who says that T20 isnt ridiculous go back and watch that game ...

Looks like Ireland got very unlucky with the draw here. Netherlands the surprise package of the "International Lottery" cup.

Now I would say that KPfans subtle intimation of "irregularities" in a previous game result had raised my eyebrows too. But then we have this, somehow its easier to suspect certain nations players of being involved in practises than others.
Will anyone suggest a team may have thrown a game today?
No because we are all massive racists.

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Post by KP_fan on Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:01 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:For anyone who says that T20 isnt ridiculous go back and watch that game ...

Looks like Ireland got very unlucky with the draw here. Netherlands the surprise package of the "International Lottery" cup.

Now I would say that KPfans subtle intimation of "irregularities" in a previous game result had raised my eyebrows too. But then we have this, somehow its easier to suspect certain nations players of being involved in practises than others.
Will anyone suggest a team may have thrown a game today?
No because we are all massive racists.

ohh....ohhh..... and on first read i thought you were alluding to our neighbors and not your Cool 
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Post by mystiroakey on Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:17 am

Sri Lanka going well v SA..

Should get to 190 from here.

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Post by atletico86 on Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:03 am

yes guildfordbat I think you are spot on about Ireland missing Trent Johnston. He was not the most talented cricketer and his powers were on the wane, but he has the rare attribute of inspiring those around him as well as consistently being able to rise to the big occasion. He was our talisman.. Even though we beat the West Indies last month something hasnt been right since TJ left and we havent clicked completely for the entirety of a match. We do have a couple of young bowlers who can replace his bowling (McCarter & Young) but he leaves a big hole in the squad. I think we are also badly missing Rankin also, against other assocs his extra pace & height is a big thing. Lastly, dropping sorensen for the dutch game was a big mistake as he is are only genuine pace bowler (ie mid 80s) in the squad.

I have to be honest watched us bat and then had to go to work, so you can imagine I was pretty pleased on my commute. However when I checked the score at work I was in a state of shock, especially as we had not lost to the dutch for 7-8 years in any format (1st class, odi & t20) of the game. Fair play to them though, to perform like that they deserve to go through.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:08 am

The more I watch t20 the more I dislike it. It is just luck. More runs are scored by bad shots.

OK its entertaining. But as a purist it ekkks me.

SA done well to limit SL at the end. They will end up with approx 165 only.

But SL have never lost a game when they have posted a score of over 160. So still favs.

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Post by KP_fan on Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:27 am

mystiroakey wrote:The more I watch t20 the more I dislike it. It is just luck. More runs are scored by bad shots.

OK its entertaining. But as a purist it ekkks me.

SA done well to limit SL at the end. They will end up with approx 165 only.

But SL have never lost a game when they have posted a score of over 160. So still favs.

it's absolute meaningless masala.....I can watch if it's running on TV...but don't really care.
Even these "annual world cups " do not excite.

on the game itself.........i did expect Lanka to get 175.........but even a 165 on these ptiches with so many spinners in their side still makes them the favourite

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:38 am

There isn't another high profile game on the planet that rewards luck and bad play more than this one. And I can't see this format helping other nations become good odi sides or where we need them to be which is test sides. Give me tendulker , bell, cook etc playing it about with classy stroke play all day long.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:44 am

Such a result wright is injured. But Jesus he is still here. What is with this lad. Why is he hallways around the set up.

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