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Post by Luke on Mon 24 Mar 2014, 12:21 pm

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A thread we're we can discuss our sides, what's happening in RL, the future and everything else to do with Rugby League.

I really hope that Cas can keep up there early form and stay in the top 8.
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Post by The Beast on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 9:47 pm

Alternatively there is a video of the Press conference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN08or47l0s&feature=youtu.be

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Post by George Hotel1895 on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 8:23 am

The Beast wrote:Good luck to whoever is chairing the meeting.

The problem boils down (as usual) to money SL wants a larger slice of the pie, if the proposal goes through and the next TV deal is £30m or less the RFL and lower league clubs money goes from £10m to zero which I would have thought would be the final nail in the coffin for a number of clubs (yes there could be a debate regarding mergers which whilst painful might be a way forward).

This is well worth a read and if the report of SL clubs threatening dual reg partners is true is imo very worrying.

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/16859328.super-league-club-is-accused-of-bullying-before-big-vote/
I think there will be blood on the carpet at the end of the day

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Post by The Beast on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 2:41 pm

To some surprise the new proposals have been voted through. SL will in 2019 return to one up one down P&R, a 5 team play-off and the extra "loop" fixture.

News on potential changes to the Championship & League 1 to hopefully follow one way or the other.

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Post by The Beast on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 5:27 pm

And here is the Championship/League 1 news;

http://www.rugby-league.com/article/53433/betfred-championship-and-league--structure-

14 team championship no major change to League 1, no automatic relegation for any Championship club, the team finishing 12th playing the losing League 1 playoff side (coin flip for the venue) to decide the 14th team in the Championship in 2019.

In 2019 Championship, top 5 playoff for promotion, bottom 2 automatically relegated.


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Post by George Hotel1895 on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 10:32 pm

The Beast wrote:To some surprise the new proposals have been voted through.  SL will in 2019 return to one up one down P&R, a 5 team play-off and the extra "loop" fixture.

News on potential changes to the Championship & League 1 to hopefully follow one way or the other.
I'm amazed it got passed to be honest, but what do i know.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/45520586

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Post by The Beast on Sat 15 Sep 2018, 12:21 pm

George Hotel1895 wrote:
The Beast wrote:To some surprise the new proposals have been voted through.  SL will in 2019 return to one up one down P&R, a 5 team play-off and the extra "loop" fixture.

News on potential changes to the Championship & League 1 to hopefully follow one way or the other.
I'm amazed it got passed to be honest, but what do i know.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/45520586

And the more I think about it the less I like it. At the end of day 11 of 12 SL chairmen have won the power struggle. The pressure is very much on Robert Elstone and those clubs to deliver a product and ensure the next broadcast deal delivers the money the game desperately needs.......or are they? If the money goes down to sub £30m the SL teams will be fine, everyone else can seemingly whistle. If the keep the parachute payment system, the current sides will have a major advantage over the everyone else.

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Post by Luke on Sat 15 Sep 2018, 3:44 pm

It was the wrong decision in my opinion. And makes even less sense than the current formula.

So you make SL less interesting from about June judging from the last 2 years.
You add in loop fixtures which didn't work last time which is why they were got rid of.
And you go for a 1up 1 down system, where the team that fini8top of the championship aren't the gaurennted team to go up? How can you say the reason for getting of the middle 8s is the unfair jeapody whilst allowing this system.

Oh and you destroy something that was working for more money for sl clubs.
Whilst also putting other clubs and the game into a state that could lead to peril.
Just so the sl clubs can get more money stinks in my opinion.
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Post by The Beast on Sun 23 Sep 2018, 8:28 am

Sad news for Widnes fans as they are relegated from SL following their loss in Toronto.

Hopefully their fans stick with them, trust me there is currently plenty of talented players, good rugby and entertainment in the Championship.

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Post by gazzyD on Sun 23 Sep 2018, 8:44 am

There's some already signed up to the stronghold for next season but probably more who say they won't go back whilst James Rule is still involved.

The next couple of weeks are probably some of the biggest in the club's history and for our future. Hopefully keep our hands on the good group of young lads we have, sack off the garbage like ah van, runciman and Cummins as coach, sack off sick notes that keep getting paid for nothing, thankfully Houston is retiring

I'm not angry at the relegation, we barely scraped through last season's qualifiers and this board failed to address any of the glaring issues


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Post by The Beast on Sun 23 Sep 2018, 9:03 am

gazzyD wrote:There's some already signed up to the stronghold for next season but probably more who say they won't go back whilst James Rule is still involved.

The next couple of weeks are probably some of the biggest in the club's history and for our future. Hopefully keep our hands on the good group of young lads we have, sack off the garbage like ah van, runciman and Cummins as coach, sack off sick notes that keep getting paid for nothing, thankfully Houston is retiring

I'm not angry at the relegation, we barely scraped through last season's qualifiers and this board failed to address any of the glaring issues


I see you are staying full-time which on the face of it is good news but hopefully they won't fall into the same trap as Bradford and more recently Leigh by being blinded that it is the only way forward.

With respect to Houston I am sure the referee's will be relived he is retiring! Ah Van at Bradford was solid however I don't recall seeing a slower winger. I do agree, Cummins will be a good coach but right now probably not the man you are looking for, someone with lower league experience.

14 team championship next year one of whom will go up, York will be joining later today and they also play good rugby.

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Post by gazzyD on Sun 23 Sep 2018, 2:25 pm

Yeah they've come out and said that, but time will tell on that front. Lucky to get 4k+ for a SL game, that figure will drop in championship despite likely putting out a more competitive product

Ah Van has been poor for a while now, he was a player you could usually bank on for a try but for every try he scored he'd cost you 4 with either poor positioning or dropping a high ball

Not just referees, Widnes fans too. So called captain who has zero leadership about him with his atrocious discipline

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Post by Luke on Sun 23 Sep 2018, 3:16 pm

Feel for you mate.

Having been through it. The 1st couple of months afterwards hurt.
But if I'm honest really enjoyed last year. The away games I went to were a lot more fun. Fans mixed a lot more freely. It was nice to visit grounds I hadn't been to for a while. And playing Sundays at 3pm was fantastic.
Sl at the moment is monotonous and the playing on any night but Sunday meaning I can't go is slowly killing the game for me.

But some really tough decisions ahead. The big one is who you get as coach. That will tell the fans a lot if what Widnes are expecting from next year.
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Post by George Hotel1895 on Sun 23 Sep 2018, 5:52 pm

gazzyD wrote:There's some already signed up to the stronghold for next season but probably more who say they won't go back whilst James Rule is still involved.

The next couple of weeks are probably some of the biggest in the club's history and for our future. Hopefully keep our hands on the good group of young lads we have, sack off the garbage like ah van, runciman and Cummins as coach, sack off sick notes that keep getting paid for nothing, thankfully Houston is retiring

I'm not angry at the relegation, we barely scraped through last season's qualifiers and this board failed to address any of the glaring issues

Relegation is not the end of the world.
It gives team to rebuilt and develop players, and building for the future.

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Post by The Beast on Sun 23 Sep 2018, 7:43 pm

Congratulations to York City Knights, first team promoted this year, Champions of League 1.

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Post by The Beast on Thu 27 Sep 2018, 9:48 pm

Jimmy Keinhorst moving from Leeds to Hull KR being rumoured?

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Post by The Beast on Thu 27 Sep 2018, 9:51 pm

Man of Steel nominees are;

James Roby
John Bateman
Ben Barba

Tough choice, one or two unlucky perhaps not to be there i.e. Paul McShane. I suspect Roby, my vote (not that I have one of course) would be Bateman.

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Post by Luke on Fri 28 Sep 2018, 12:59 am

Agree with your comments about your. They deserved it especially when you think a year ago they weren't even on the original fixture list. A club being run in the right way.

The rumours about Klienhorst have been doing the res since June, I think this one could be true. And that would be a great signing in my eyes.

Agree with your man of steel comments, and certainly think Mcshane should have been on there. Barba was fantastic for the first 4 months, but hasn't really done anything for me.
Bateman deserves it for me.

First of the final Rd of qualifiers tonight. Salford win convincingly to seal staying in SL. So we'll done them, and just how good has Jackson Hastings been for them, I would imagine there are quite a few SL clubs wondering why they didn't take the punt on him now.
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Post by The Beast on Fri 28 Sep 2018, 10:10 pm

Eddie Hearn again showing interest in being involved in the sport, he has done a lot of good work in Boxing. What I am not liking is an proposal to ditch the salary cap.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/28/eddie-hearn-aims-to-revolutionise-rugby-league-with-ambitious-plans

I would like the game as a whole to improve the product on the pitch and one way IMO to do this is to clear up the ruck as it is in the NRL. Not just SL but Championship & League 1, having seen a fair amount of the latter this year (perhaps next year too) some of the games are horribly slow. If the RFL, clubs, coaches, referees bought into it I cannot see why this is not achievable and there are no costs or am I being overly ambitious?

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Post by Luke on Sat 29 Sep 2018, 1:19 am

Totally agree about cleaning up the ruck area.
Personally would use the linesman/woman as the defence marker and leave the ref to watch the ruck. And for gods sake players should be penalised for not playing the ball. Yes at first there would be a lot if penalties but surely teams and coaches will learn and stop doing it.
Another thing, if a player falls over or trys to contact the ref like in last night's game and tonight's. Bin them for unsportsmanlike behaviour. Get rid if that as well.
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Post by George Hotel1895 on Sat 29 Sep 2018, 2:35 pm

Luke wrote:Totally agree about cleaning up the ruck area.
Personally would use the linesman/woman as the defence marker and leave the ref to watch the ruck. And for gods sake players should be penalised for not playing the ball. Yes at first there would be a lot if penalties but surely teams and coaches will learn and stop doing it.
Another thing, if a player falls over or trys to contact the ref like in last night's game and tonight's.  Bin them for unsportsmanlike behaviour. Get rid if that as well.
Good points

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Post by The Beast on Sun 30 Sep 2018, 6:53 pm

Just saw this and thought I would post here, very funny. Malcolm Reilly describing his conversation with the Queen when collecting his OBE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTvzucldvsw

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Post by The Beast on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 9:21 pm

I will admit to be unsurprised to read that Francis Cummins is leaving Widnes. I feel for him and hope his next job has some degree of a chance of success but Widnes IMO need an experience Championship coach for next year.

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Post by The Beast on Fri 05 Oct 2018, 10:08 pm

SL Grand Final Wigan v Warrington. Feel a bit for Saints who have clearly been the best side all year but credit to Warrington.

I have come back from seeing the first 65 mins of Wigan v Cas, to be honest not much to write home about. Cas whilst hammered by the ref were IMO pretty awful and Wigan whilst defensively rock solid were very ordinary in attack however I do see them winning next week.

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Post by George Hotel1895 on Mon 08 Oct 2018, 10:12 am

The Beast wrote:SL Grand Final Wigan v Warrington.  Feel a bit for Saints who have clearly been the best side all year but credit to Warrington.  

I have come back from seeing the first 65 mins of Wigan v Cas, to be honest not much to write home about.  Cas whilst hammered by the ref were IMO pretty awful and Wigan whilst defensively rock solid were very ordinary in attack however I do see them winning next week.
I can only see a Wigan win.

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Post by The Beast on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 8:22 am

Rightly all eyes to Manchester tonight for Wigan v Warrington SL Grand Final, like GH I am going for Wigan although it would be good for a new team to win.

Meanwhile the final domestic game will be on Sunday with Swinton v Workington for the final place in the Championship. With the extra game only announced 4 weeks ago, injuries to Oliver Wilkes and Sean Penkywicz, Fui Fui Moi Moi suspended having been sent off for a high tackle at Bradford Workington have announced they have 12 available players, the RFL have rejected their request to bring in loan signings.

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Post by Luke on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 1:17 pm

The Workington situation is a ridiculous one. Everyone could see the problems this fixture could have. It should have always just been promoted the top 2. And start this fixture from next year.
And given last week's championship final problems with Leigh. You would think the RFL wouldn't want 2 lower league finals made a shambles by lack of numbers for 1 side.
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Post by The Beast on Sun 14 Oct 2018, 8:04 am

Congratulations to Wigan, SL champions 2019, unbeaten in the Super 8's deserves their win.

Arguably rightly so that defences were generally on top but I am concerned off the cuff rugby is being coached out of players and there is an obsession with structures, structures, structures, players making half breaks with no support/no idea what to do next other than to set up for the next scripted play. We do need people to be entertained and to be completely honest I wasn't, first half not bad the second half was a bit of a chore.

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Post by The Beast on Sun 14 Oct 2018, 9:21 pm

Just to add as I forgot earlier, for my money Sam Tompkins was very fortunate to stay on the pitch for the trip on Goodwin, perhaps not a red but 10 minutes in the bin in any other game.

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Post by The Beast on Fri 09 Nov 2018, 4:42 pm

I was going to start a thread for the internationals however it is a bit late. Fantastic to see such a depleted England squad playing so well 2 - 0 (3 if you include Denver) over a very talented NZ side who recently beat Australia. Starting to show real strength in depth shame we are not also playing the Aussies.

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Post by The Beast on Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:43 pm

Championship 2019 fixtures have been delayed. Rumour is that this is due to the very serious issues at Leigh are in special measures with very few players or coaching staff. Sad times for their fans, feel for them, will they start the 2019 season?

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