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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 19 Apr 2014, 10:02 am

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 25 Apr 2014, 4:58 pm

Massive last frame this. Both players have had chances and missed them. If Ronnie wins it to trail 9-7 he'll be well pleased and I'd still make him firm favourite to win. If Joe wins to lead 10-6 he will be man delighted and will really fancy his chances but has he got it in him to complete the coup de grace?
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 25 Apr 2014, 5:12 pm

Perry's brain went walkabouts there with some very odd shot choices and Ronnie pinches the last frame and trails 9-7 - Ronnie the favourite now for me.
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Post by Dave. on Fri 25 Apr 2014, 5:21 pm

Whatever happened to Barry Pinches?

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 10:22 am

Ronnie takes the first frame of the morning but like the last frame of last evening it is a frame Joe will think he could have and perhaps should have won. These frames I fear will come back to haunt Gentleman Joe. Perry leads 9-8.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 10:31 am

Joe crumbling. Another easy pot on the pink missed and Ronnie will feed on this.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 10:36 am

Another chance here for Joe and you feel he must win this to arrest the slide. If Ronnie levels at 9-9 no doubt he becomes a hot favourite.
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 10:39 am

Dave. wrote:Whatever happened to Barry Pinches?

He's still on the tour but is no Barry Hawkins.
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Post by Dave. on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 10:43 am

What happened there? A double hit?

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 10:44 am

And Barry Hawkins is no Mark Williams for example yet is world No.4 - that is what concerns me about the talent in the game today.
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 10:47 am

Jeezus Joe, he's trying to finish me off here. Massive frame.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 10:48 am

Massive frame that for Perry. He grabs the frame after umpteen chances and leads 10-8. Ronnie just not at standard required.
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 10:50 am

I miss Willo Sad It's just not the same without him these days.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 10:52 am

The Special Juan wrote:I miss Willo :(It's just not the same without him these days.

My point about Hawkins is he is at the height of world No.4 whereas about five or ten years ago it was players the calibre of Mark Williams at no.4. How times have changed.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 10:55 am

Ronnie's fluke starts him off on a frame winning break and Perry's lead is back down to one at 10-9. The final frame before the mid-session interval will be mammoth. Ronnie wins and he is hot favourite but if Joe wins he'll be delighted and feel he is still in control of the match.
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Post by Dave. on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 11:03 am

You know Williams and Justin Pipe are good friends?

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 11:10 am

Wow. What a miss from Ronnie. Not even close. Has he gifted this frame to Joe?
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 11:11 am

Dave. wrote:You know Williams and Justin Pipe are good friends?

I did! Isn't that a match made in heaven?
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 11:13 am

That was a must win frame I feel for Joe and held himself together but what a gift from Ronnie. Perry leads 11-9 at the mid-session interval.
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 11:14 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:I miss Willo :(It's just not the same without him these days.

My point about Hawkins is he is at the height of world No.4 whereas about five or ten years ago it was players the calibre of Mark Williams at no.4. How times have changed.

As I said, more events and more ranking points award consistency. Add into that the disproportionate number of points attributed to the WC and it's no surprise.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 11:16 am

Yes TSJ I realise that but my point is, say five or ten years ago, you had perhaps five players playing who could call themselves all-time greats nowadays we have two (Ronnie and John Higgins and he is evidently on the slide).
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 11:23 am

I disagree. Ding is sitting on 9 major titles at aged 25 (or 26, I forget). He'll be great. Robertson has won all the big events. Is that not great? Selby has won 3 Masters and a UK title, plus has been in many, many finals. All 3 have been world number 1.

In the 80s who challenged Davis? No one. In the 90s, who challenged Hendry? No one, at least not for the first few years of the decade. Then came along the greatest generation of players. I don't think we'll see that like again. Remember, snooker is a fairly "new" sport. We're only on the 5th generation of players at the top (4th if you discount the pre-Crucible era).
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 11:48 am

No I disagree. Ding is not an all-time great as has never even won a world title (The Holy Grail) and neither has Mark Selby. Robertson has one world title and MAY just may go o to become an all-time great but he isn't there yet - no way.

Nobody challenged Davis because he was so damned good and the same with Hendry but they had all-time great standing in their way such as Alex Higgins, John Higgins, Mark Williams, Ronnie O'Sullivan etc etc etc.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 11:54 am

Besides I would put Jimmy White more ahead of Ding and Selby in an all-time great capacity owing to his many final appearances (more than Ding and Selby put together) plus he won his fair share of majors.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:02 pm

Ronnie now level at 11-11 and is now hot favourite for the match after winning the last two frames.
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:13 pm

Alex was past his best by the time Steve became the force he was. And anyway, just because they haven't won the biggie yet doesn't mean they won't. You can only judge someone at the end of their career (or when they're way past their best) or so I say. I do agree that today's best are not as good as the 2000s Big 3 but they're not atrocious.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:13 pm

Ronnie on his way now to a 12-11 lead and the writing on the waLl now for Joe whose potting has gone astray in this last session. Ronnie now playing a little better and with more rhythm.
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:14 pm

#PrayForJoe
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:17 pm

The Special Juan wrote:Alex was past his best by the time Steve became the force he was.  And anyway, just because they haven't won the biggie yet doesn't mean they won't.  You can only judge someone at the end of their career (or when they're way past their best) or so I say.  I do agree that today's best are not as good as the 2000s Big 3 but they're not atrocious.

When the likes of Ding and Selby grow a pair and win a world title then we may just may be able to talk. Ding just doesn't do it for me - a great player but yet to really threaten to win the world title. Selby likewise is the same. The window of opportunity has been there for these kind of guys to win the world title and they haven't even come close.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:19 pm

The Special Juan wrote:#PrayForJoe

Perry has succumbed I feel as I feared would happen. Fine until the winning post neared then just faded.
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:22 pm

It was that long red to the yellow pocket he missed that did it for Joe. Had it gone in, he would have won. As it is, he's lost. Still, he can be proud of the way he's played in these sessions. This is the hardest ROS has been pushed in a long while at the Crucible.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:24 pm

So Ronnie through after a scare. Will need to up his level though in later matches as may find more hardened opponents harded to overcome should his A game desert him again.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:25 pm

The Special Juan wrote:It was that long red to the yellow pocket he missed that did it for Joe.  Had it gone in, he would have won.  As it is, he's lost.  Still, he can be proud of the way he's played in these sessions.  This is the hardest ROS has been pushed in a long while at the Crucible.

There were two frames Joe should have won - the last one yesterday evening and first this morning. Those were crucial.
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:26 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:Alex was past his best by the time Steve became the force he was.  And anyway, just because they haven't won the biggie yet doesn't mean they won't.  You can only judge someone at the end of their career (or when they're way past their best) or so I say.  I do agree that today's best are not as good as the 2000s Big 3 but they're not atrocious.

When the likes of Ding and Selby grow a pair and win a world title then we may just may be able to talk. Ding just doesn't do it for me - a great player but yet to really threaten to win the world title. Selby likewise is the same. The window of opportunity has been there for these kind of guys to win the world title and they haven't even come close.

Selby got to the final once.
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:29 pm

Can't argue with that. Superb finish.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:31 pm

The Special Juan wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:Alex was past his best by the time Steve became the force he was.  And anyway, just because they haven't won the biggie yet doesn't mean they won't.  You can only judge someone at the end of their career (or when they're way past their best) or so I say.  I do agree that today's best are not as good as the 2000s Big 3 but they're not atrocious.

When the likes of Ding and Selby grow a pair and win a world title then we may just may be able to talk. Ding just doesn't do it for me - a great player but yet to really threaten to win the world title. Selby likewise is the same. The window of opportunity has been there for these kind of guys to win the world title and they haven't even come close.

Selby got to the final once.

But will he reach the mount of world finals Jimmy White reached? I'd be very surprised if he does. If you asked the general snooker fan who the greatest player never to win the world title would the answer be Ding, Selby or White? I think we all know the answer to that (just now) and I really don't see that changing.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:33 pm

The Special Juan wrote:Can't argue with that.  Superb finish.

Ronnie is like the other greats of the sport. Once he senses his opponent is struggling he is clinical and Perry missing some easy pots at key times was like a red rag to a bull. Hard lines Joe but Ronnie got going once the going got tough whilst Joe melted.
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:33 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:Alex was past his best by the time Steve became the force he was.  And anyway, just because they haven't won the biggie yet doesn't mean they won't.  You can only judge someone at the end of their career (or when they're way past their best) or so I say.  I do agree that today's best are not as good as the 2000s Big 3 but they're not atrocious.

When the likes of Ding and Selby grow a pair and win a world title then we may just may be able to talk. Ding just doesn't do it for me - a great player but yet to really threaten to win the world title. Selby likewise is the same. The window of opportunity has been there for these kind of guys to win the world title and they haven't even come close.

Selby got to the final once.

But will he reach the mount of world finals Jimmy White reached? I'd be very surprised if he does. If you asked the general snooker fan who the greatest player never to win the world title would the answer be Ding, Selby or White? I think we all know the answer to that (just now) and I really don't see that changing.

It doesn't matter. Jimmy would swap all his finals for one trophy.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:38 pm

The Special Juan wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:Alex was past his best by the time Steve became the force he was.  And anyway, just because they haven't won the biggie yet doesn't mean they won't.  You can only judge someone at the end of their career (or when they're way past their best) or so I say.  I do agree that today's best are not as good as the 2000s Big 3 but they're not atrocious.

When the likes of Ding and Selby grow a pair and win a world title then we may just may be able to talk. Ding just doesn't do it for me - a great player but yet to really threaten to win the world title. Selby likewise is the same. The window of opportunity has been there for these kind of guys to win the world title and they haven't even come close.

Selby got to the final once.

But will he reach the mount of world finals Jimmy White reached? I'd be very surprised if he does. If you asked the general snooker fan who the greatest player never to win the world title would the answer be Ding, Selby or White? I think we all know the answer to that (just now) and I really don't see that changing.

It doesn't matter.  Jimmy would swap all his finals for one trophy.

Yes as would Selby and Ding. Whereas Jimmy was denied often by the greatest player of all-time Selby was denied by John Higgins (great though he is will never quite be seen in the same class as Hendry). Selby as well has won 3 major titles whilst Jimmy White won ten. Is it really, seriously a contest?
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 12:56 pm

Hang on, I didn't say Selby was better than White. Ding might be but it's too early to tell.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 2:16 pm

Ding has world semi to his name and no final appearances. White is in a different league in that respect.
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 2:36 pm

G'wan Ryan!! The best player never to win anything.
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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 5:12 pm

Hawkins v Walden - the worst match-up in snooker?
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Post by Strongback on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 5:22 pm

Barry Hearn seems to be grasping at straws with allowing ex world champions straight into the qualifying rounds.  

Seems his world tour hasn't produced any 'characters'.  He wants Ray Reardon back..........WTF!


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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 5:59 pm

There are characters but they're not very good and therefore they aren't frequently on TV.
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Post by Dave. on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 6:52 pm

Dominic Dale is a real character.

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Post by The Special Juan on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 6:54 pm

He's not going to be wearing his zebra shoes tonight Dave. Are you as disappointed as me?
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Post by Dave. on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 7:05 pm

Yes. I will watch the Angles match instead.

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Post by Strongback on Sat 26 Apr 2014, 11:37 pm

The Special Juan wrote:There are characters but they're not very good and therefore they aren't frequently on TV.


What do you make of what Hearn has done in the last few years?

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Post by The Special Juan on Sun 27 Apr 2014, 8:43 pm

Strongback wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:There are characters but they're not very good and therefore they aren't frequently on TV.


What do you make of what Hearn has done in the last few years?

Good question. I really like a lot of changes he's made from the big to the small (the walk-on music was a no-brainer). Obviously the new tournaments all over Eurasia and more prize money are great for the sport but for me the flat 128 draw is a big step in the right direction. I don't like the protection the seeds had in the past and this way it ensures that the playing field is as even as possible. However, I do think that every player should be at the venue and we shouldn't have the first round or 2 in some hovel in Barnsley or wherever. The PTC events are nice little earners for the players provided they win a few matches and it makes sure the players are match sharp for the big events but I've heard various grumbles about the venues. Teething problems only, I hope.

My main disagreement with what he's done is the shortened format. I appreciate that at the PTC events and a lot of major tournaments have to be shorter due to time constraints but he shouldn't have messed with the big tournaments and those shown on the BBC. I think that's why ROS is winning the world's at a canter - aside from being really good (which helps!!) he has experience of playing these long matches whereas the other players are either past it, inexperienced or are not used to long matches these days.
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Post by sirfredperry on Mon 28 Apr 2014, 9:18 am

I thought Ronnie's last two frames against Perry were outstanding. Watching him in full flow is a great sight (unless you're poor old Perry).
Not sure how the draw is. Does Robertson avoid O'Sullivan until the final. If so, it could be a great final

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