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Post by Ent on Tue 15 Apr 2014, 11:13 pm

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John wrote:Can see the same thing happening with Kroos, when Bayern stump up the wage & then the pressure will be on Moyes massively, after constantly telling everyone that he's been given the nod by these agents that these players wanted to come to United.

He shouldn't be saying things like that IMO. Just making things harder for himself.

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Post by The Fourth Lion on Tue 22 Apr 2014, 7:05 pm

compelling and rich wrote:two managers in my life time and were a sacking club?  Headscratch Headscratch 

we may be spoilt but its hardly fecking rock science that moyes was doing a terrible job. every man and his dog trying to make excuses for him. yet all top managers know the buck stops with him. fergie or even a mourinho wouldn't have sat back and let the players take the blame, or just use were in transition as a excuse


Get a few years behind you and I'm sure you'll see that number will expand. My post is still accurate, despite your juniority.



As for Manchester United.... well, football fans all over the country will want to send him a heartfelt message of thanks for all he has done for football this season by making Manchester United ordinary. We haven't had a title race this exciting in donkey's years and we should all thank David Moyse for making sure that United took no part in it. Liverpool supporters haven't had this much fun watching football since before Graeme Souness' ticker turned dicky.

United have been pretty shtum about the matter and until Ryan Giggs emerged as the interim boss, all options were open. Some bookies might have offered reasonable odds on Doris the tea lady getting the nod.

I'm not sure what sort of financial package DM might take with him but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he found himself trousering a hefty bonus...... from Everton. After all, he's done as much as anybody to help them challenge for the Champions League place that United won't be filling next season.

Cheers, Moysie...!!!


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Post by mystiroakey on Tue 22 Apr 2014, 7:13 pm

evens for gaal- but he is getting old so he wont be long long term

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Tue 22 Apr 2014, 7:18 pm

Your post isn't accurate, you can't polish a turd unfortunately fourth lion, we've had 18 managers in the whole clubs history that is not the sign of a sacking club.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 22 Apr 2014, 7:57 pm

You will be. The facts of football in this country show that you have missed the "sacking years" because you had the best manager in the world. West Ham are a club who used to consider themselves "not a sacking club". Between my fathers birth and my birth, my father saw 3 managers - including legends Greenwood and Lyall (before them was Ted Fenton, manager for 11 years before his health deteriorated).

Since my birth we've had 10, 6 since 2001. We're not even bad by modern terms, but its something that happens now. You can pride yourselves on seeing so few managers in your lifetime, but the luck of having an exceptional legend of the game is within that.

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Post by Guest on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 10:16 am

The selection af manager depends on what Utd's priorities are right now.

Do they want an immediate jump back to the top of the tree (no guarantees there) or do they want someone to try and steady the ship (Like KK at Liverpool after the failure of the Hodgson experiment)

Van Gaal wants the Utd job as a vanity project. He's already been quoted as saying he wants to win the Premiership in England before retiring. To me, these aren't the words of a man who could be considered a viable long term prospect any more than Mourinho but should Chelsea fail to win the Premiership and Champion's League, Jose may become surplus to requirements at Chelsea and Utd might want him back as a short term fix. The clash of egos would be immense but fun for the bystanders.

Would Utd consider someone like Neil Lennon who's talked about a different challenge away from Scotland or is he too much like Moyes and merely a decent manager for a club that, with the best will in the World, cannot be considered elite?

He's Scottish which will clearly be the clincher for Fergie...but only after the wine addled old fool has put Dalglish's name forwarded o the bemusement of the Glazers (who will probably consider it until someone has a quiet word in their ear).

Would Utd take the bold step of considering Nike's offer to buy the naming right for Old Trafford for £500 million to fund their drive back to the top. Such a move couldn't tarnish the Manchester United brand any more than the recent disaster could it?

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Post by GSC on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 11:17 am

I wouldn't consider Neil Lennon for Forest
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Post by compelling and rich on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:01 pm

to the two questions dave, no and no!!

i dont mind mind renaming of new grounds with sponsers but you cant change a name of a ground thats been in place for years

and what has lennon actually achieved other than being a horrible little runt! think any average manager would win the league with celtic. he hasnt even had rangers has a threat for the most part

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Post by GSC on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:03 pm

Depends on the extent. No to changing it to the Nike arena, but I wouldn't be upset by "OT sponsored by Nike" or something
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Post by compelling and rich on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:06 pm

GSC wrote:Depends on the extent. No to changing it to the Nike arena, but I wouldn't be upset by "OT sponsored by Nike" or something

either way everybody will still call it old trafford

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Post by GSC on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:07 pm

Well duh.

Sky would probably be contractually obliged to call it the Nike Arena tho
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Post by Guest on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:17 pm

compelling and rich wrote:to the two questions dave, no and no!!

i dont mind mind renaming of new grounds with sponsers but you cant change a name of a ground thats been in place for years

and what has lennon actually achieved other than being a horrible little runt! think any average manager would win the league with celtic. he hasnt even had rangers has a threat for the most part
Well he did once beat Barcelona...surely the Glazers will be happy with that?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:24 pm

Has to be a Manager of high standing as the Utd players didn't respect the Ginger goblin.....

Looking like the 60 yr + Dutch manager is the second chosen one......A transitional choice

Maybe to bring Giggs on for a later takeover......

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Post by GSC on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:28 pm

Billy Davies is ready to be parachuted in as an abrasive, media hating scotsman
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:29 pm

Don't know what people see in Giggs that will make him the future manager.

Personally Klopp would be best imo but have to respect the man for his loyalty. Depending how Madrid go in the CL would happily take Ancelotti for a few years.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:35 pm

Klopp is a big fish in a small pond..........People sometimes forget that there is a personal element as well...........Like maybe the family being settled in Germany and maybe he loves his job....

Pellegrini's Wife is back in Chile and that must be hard.........

True about Giggs but I imagine If Dutch boy comes bringing Giggs on is part of the long term plan as well as CL next year and the League perhaps the season after..

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Post by compelling and rich on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:35 pm

to be fair to van gaal his cv p1sses all over moyes.

he's won league titles and champions leagues as well as bringing players like xavi, berkamp, davids, seedorf, overmars, puyol, VDS all through and giving them there chance

his record is worlds away from moyes

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Post by compelling and rich on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:37 pm

think giggs choice is just to try and get it back to somewhere near what fergie was trying to do and reserve the damage moyes has caused.

if anybody will have learnt few things along the way and knows how fergie worked it will be giggs

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Post by GSC on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:39 pm

You'd think that.

You'd also think that about Hughes, Bruce, Robson etc
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Post by Ent on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:41 pm

Hughes and Bruce are decent managers though.

Giggs is only going to get four games, just wants to get the feel good factor back and the players playing a bit better before the new manager is appointed.

He'll have to go and prove himself elsewhere before he gets the job long term IMO.

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Post by GSC on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:42 pm

Not up to the requisite standard though.
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Post by Ent on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:44 pm

For united? No they aren't.

Giggs will have a lot to prove long term to be manager, this stint is to just get this nightmare season over with.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:50 pm

Never easy to prove yourself elsewhere though is it ??

You're dependent on players you are left with by the last guy and funds available.......

Which is why we see so many negative teams about.......and boring football..

Moyes being fair proved himself at everton.........But and a big but... playing negative football with lesser players who didn't have the ego which comes with winning trophies !!

But If you don't give people like Moyes a chance you'll never know......

I like Roberto Martinez.........Plays good football and has been excellent this year.......As a City fan I wouldn't mind him taking the City job after Pellegrini.........But would the players accept a guy who hasn't won as much as them ???

It's a tough one..........

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Post by Guest on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:54 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Klopp is a big fish in a small pond..........People sometimes forget that there is a personal element as well...........Like maybe the family being settled in Germany and maybe he loves his job....

Pellegrini's Wife is back in Chile and that must be hard.........

True about Giggs but I imagine If Dutch boy comes bringing Giggs on is part of the long term plan as well as CL next year and the League perhaps the season after..
Unless his marriage is like yours.....

Anyway, my take on Giggs is that he's in there to calm things down and basically tell the players that yes, they've got what they wanted but now it's time to stop f*****g around and behave. I think Giggs will be used to assess the team for the next three games and advise the board who to keep and who to let go at the end of the season.

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Post by FootballLight on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:58 pm

United are about to hit the same brick wall they faced just under 12 months ago now, for various reasons.

So the somewhat "£200m" transfer budget the new manager who decides to take charge at United will get, according to Savage? So that just leads to more money involved, more money for over priced players i.e. Fellaini, Mata etc. Mata wasn't worth £37m at all. He rarely got a game for Chelsea before January, contract slowly running out and he was second choice. Surely worth only £25m or something? That's all I'd pay. Fellaini at £27.5m, he has had a good season and 2 half decent one's at a team chasing European shadows, £20m at best, maybe £15m now. So with £200m to spend, does this mean they are going to fling £40m on Kroos or potentially more.

What about the other end of the stick? Selling players? So, Savage has been saying 11/12 players should leave the club. Then being, Ferdinand, Fabio, Smalling, Buttner, Fellaini, Anderson, Giggs, Nani, Young, Cleverley, Valencia and Hernandez. Most I would agree with, Hernandez and Valencia maybe not as they still have something to offer. So effectively, United have to replace all them players with better quality players, potentially costing more in result and they all need to be of top quality. How would they all fit into the first team/squad? Its like the dilemma of who to play in their front 4. How do you fit them all in to work effectively. Also, it strikes the fact that with most of the new players would come from different clubs and speak different languages etc. How long would it take for them all to gel? Because Savage is saying that the new United manager should sell half of the current squad, or near enough. What use will that be? 2/3 still have a role to play at the club and they need to be sold over time, not all in one summer.

What's the next problem he faces? The matters off the pitch. The pressure he faces, knowing he has a whole summer to improve the squad and everything. I'm afraid it doesn't work that way, unfortunately enough. This whole problem isn't going to get sorted in the 3 months you get, and considering that there is the World Cup in between all of this. And if Van Gaal comes in, that leaves much less time to sort out this team. Moyes was given a 6-year contract which he was supposed to honor. He did, in respect to him. But it was thrown away after not even 12 months. What a big mistake that is going to turn out to be for the club.

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Post by Ent on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:01 pm

Why would you listen to anything savage says?

A couple in, a few more out and a few younger players promotes to the squad and we should be capable of a title challenge and top four finish.

Don't think we will win anything for a while, will take a few seasons to sort this mess out.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:04 pm

Are you always a pessimist........Football light

Utd have Van persie, Rooney, Mata, Januzaj, DeGea, Jones, Valencia, Hernandez, Carvalho as a base and who wouldn't be interested in them......

Just needs a couple more top players and they'll mean business.......Not that much wrong with Utd...

A good motivator and a little tinkering............to get into the top 4..........Then a little more tinkering for the year after..

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Post by Riggs on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:04 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Has to be a Manager of high standing as the Utd players didn't respect the Ginger goblin.....

Looking like the 60 yr + Dutch manager is the second chosen one......A transitional choice

Maybe to bring Giggs on for a later takeover......

So we and/or Utd should look for someone not young and not old. Someone who's got the experience in football team management and can easily get the players respect and, ofcourse, inspire them to play as well as they can every game. Someone who is preferably tactically brilliant and can read other teams easily. Someone who can put the right players out into their strongest positions and hopefully dominate possession and get the points.

If the Utd management don't mind the ego then go for Mourinho otherwise the options get much harder to find.

Your thoughts please? idea 

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Post by Ent on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:07 pm

Lma and moyes making statements.

Agree with lma not very professionally done.

I think moyes new, looked different in his interview in the Everton games- less under pressure.

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Post by GSC on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:09 pm

Rewatch last night and ask yourself if you seriously want that
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Post by Ent on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:11 pm

David moyes wrote:"To have been appointed as manager of Manchester United, one of the biggest football clubs in the world, was and remains something of which I will always be incredibly proud," Moyes said.

"Taking charge after such a long period of continuous stability and success at the club was inevitably going to be a significant challenge, but it was one which I relished and never had a second thought about taking on.

"The scale of the manager's job at United is immense, but I have never stepped away from hard work and the same applies to my coaching staff. I thank them for their dedication and loyalty throughout the last season.

"We were fully focused and committed to the process of the fundamental rebuilding that is required for the senior squad. This had to be achieved whilst delivering positive results in the Barclays Premier League and the Champions League. However, during this period of transition, performances and results have not been what Manchester United and its fans are used to or expect, and I both understand and share their frustration.

"In my short time at the club I have learnt what special places Old Trafford and Carrington are. I would like to thank the United staff for making me feel so welcome and part of the United family from my first day. And of course thank you to those fans who have supported me throughout the season. I wish you and the club all the best for the future.

"I have always believed that a manager never stops learning during his career and I know I will take invaluable experience from my time as United's manager. I remain proud to have led the team to the quarter finals of this year's Champions League and I remain grateful to Sir Alex Ferguson for believing in my ability and giving me the chance to manage Manchester United."

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:15 pm

Wonder who wrote that for him.

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Post by compelling and rich on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:15 pm

i couldnt care less how it was handled as long as the right decision was made, which it was

also footballlight- mata was never getting a game at chelsea? must be imagining the two player of the year awards he won without playing  picard 

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Post by owen10ozzy on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:17 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Klopp is a big fish in a small pond..........People sometimes forget that there is a personal element as well...........Like maybe the family being settled in Germany and maybe he loves his job....

Pellegrini's Wife is back in Chile and that must be hard.........

True about Giggs but I imagine If Dutch boy comes bringing Giggs on is part of the long term plan as well as CL next year and the League perhaps the season after..
Unless his marriage is like yours.....

Anyway, my take on Giggs is that he's in there to calm things down and basically tell the players that yes, they've got what they wanted but now it's time to stop f*****g around and behave. I think Giggs will be used to assess the team for the next three games and advise the board who to keep and who to let go at the end of the season.

Don't need Giggs for that DAVE:

Ferdinand - More interested in twitter than football these days

Evra - Best day's are long behind him and has shown little fight this season (though that can be labelled at most)

Nani - On huge money and has never fulfilled his potential; is good on his day but they rarely exist and he has neither the hunger nor the belly for the fight when the going gets tough...difficulty is that i'd imagine he is more than happy to sit in and take his wages rather than move onto another club. Could be very hard to shift

Young - Much like Nani has failed to fulfill any early potential shown at Villa; often brings negative headlines when he does play. Doesn't score often enough and as a winger fails to create that much either. Pastures new may do him some good but again could be happy to sit at Utd picking up pay cheque.

Jonny Evans - Don't think he is bad but he is older and less versatile than both Jones & Smalling; a good squad player but Utd have two of them in ones & Smalling..best to get some money for Evans and put it towards other positions.

Valencia - Hard worker but that's it..knocking on a bit at 28 so last chance to recoup something on him.

Fletcher - Sentiments aside he was always just a decent player, terrible luck with what he has been through but he isn't ever going to add anything to Utd...move him on with the clubs best wishes.

Kagawa - Utd have Mata & I don't think you will get the best out of Kagawa playing him anywhere other than in behind. Seems like a waste of time having a player who will barely feature when you could get a good £10-12 million for him

Van Persie - Said Utd would be lucky to get a full season out of him and they were. Regardless of who comes in and what fitness schedule he does the man is injury prone it's as simple as that. Still just about at an age where someone will take one final chance on him...cash in while you can.

Rooney - The man isn't worth £300,000 a week; he produces purple patches of form twice a season for periods of 3-4 weeks then goes off the boil. At 28 he isn't getting younger and Utd could fetch 20 million for him or do a player swap.

That essentially leaves a core squad of:

De Gea
Jones (Squad)
Smalling (Squad)
Rafael
Buttner (Squad)
Carrick
Cleverely (Squad)
Fellaini
Zaha (Squad)
Januzaj (Squad)
Mata
Welbeck
Hernandez (Squad)


The likes of Zaha & Januzaj can become first team players over next two years but Utd need proven international players in front of them in the pecking order to learn off.

They need 2 established CB's....a LB..at least 1 World Class CM/Holding midfielder...2 wide men & a world class striker...

Just who they are going to be able to coax into coming though I'm not sure...

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:18 pm

More class from Moyes. A classier man than United have treated him

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Post by GSC on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:19 pm

The 5 year Nani contract might be the worst ever
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Post by Riggs on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:20 pm

Ent wrote:Why would you listen to anything savage says?

A couple in, a few more out and a few younger players promotes to the squad and we should be capable of a title challenge and top four finish.

Don't think we will win anything for a while, will take a few seasons to sort this mess out.


"Don't think we will win anything for a while, will take a few seasons to sort this mess out" Ent, you're undermining Utd now.

It won't take them that long to get back into the top level or the top 4. This season is dead and so plans should be made for next season where they can aim for top spot and the Champions league.

To define what "a few" means would take a long time since everyone has their own thoughts/opinions, I say no more than 2 seasons to get back to Utd's usual lvl. Utd aren't the slow kind, they'll be back quicker than we expect.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:21 pm

Sorry Owen, even playing football manager you'd fail if you did what you're suggesting. Real life wouldn't handle it either. Just guy a squad, especially of arguably it's two most talented players, and expect everything to be fine?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:24 pm

Liverpool finished 7th last year.........

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Post by compelling and rich on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:26 pm

you want us to get rid of our player of the year from last year and our best cb from recent seasons but keep cleverly and zaha a player who cant even break into a cardiff team!  Headscratch 

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:26 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Sorry Owen, even playing football manager you'd fail if you did what you're suggesting. Real life wouldn't handle it either. Just guy a squad, especially of arguably it's two most talented players, and expect everything to be fine?

Pure fantasy, you'd have to be bringing in half a new squad. Mental
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:30 pm

Damn it. Gut a squad not guy a squad

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Post by GSC on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:31 pm

While I agree with owen in principle, you can't do it in 1 season.

Tbh I'd cash in on RVP. He Mata and Rooney can't co-exist
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Post by Guest on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:34 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Liverpool finished 7th last year.........
Yeah...with a team that, by the end of the season, were winning their matches and becoming a cohesive unit. The manager and owners weren't at loggerheads not was the manager leaving and the club having to find a guy to come in and fill some damn big boots (which is what Rodgers had to do when he first joined).

Liverpool had managed to find their groove but it took a season to do so, however, with three matches to play it's clear Moyes still didn't have a clue what his best starting 11 was, which isn't the problem Rodgers had.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:35 pm

It's more than the talent too. With rio evra and vidic leaving you can't take Rooney and RVP out too. Where's the character? That's world class footballers taken away from the team and personalities from the dressing room. New leaders without success running through them? Sounds like recipe for a dark age

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Post by owen10ozzy on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:37 pm

I'm not saying it has to be done all this summer; the problem is that it should have been done over the course of the last couple of years...it wasn't. Now the club has a squad bereft with aging players or players who just don't cut the mustard at the very top level.

And lets be honest for a moment here; why would it be a bad thing to shift half a squad out...lets face it, doesn't look like many want to be at the club anyway..better to get rid of deadwood than leave it drifting about.

In Rooney, Kagawa & Mata you have 3 players essentially favouring one role...how do you propose you fit them in? You simply can't...surely getting rid of at least one and putting the money to be spent elsewhere would be better?

If Utd fans really believe that they close to 200 million stashed away ready to spend they are kidding themselves...they only have that if they secure around £50 million in player sales and get rid of a good £500,000 a week in wages off the books...

I'd be interested in hearing your thought's on how you go about revitalising this squad..who you would get rid of etc....

Rooney is more bother than he worth in terms of being a character Dolphin...the guy is a mercenary of the highest order and he has shown it in his last two contract wranglings with the club..

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:38 pm

Ancelotti would be an incredible "get" for United.

Van Gaal won't be getting rid of RVP. His Dutch captain.

Alexis Sanchez looks on his way out at Barca. Nab him

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:41 pm

Rooney plays hardball with the club. The first time was money, I definitely believe the second time was him wanting away from Fergie. But he isn't the first player to siphon as much money as he can in dealings.

He's also one of the few players left with the mentality of a successful Man United player.

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Post by Guest on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:42 pm

Cleverley to Everton for £8m, is this serious? Martinez  picard 

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Post by GSC on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:44 pm

Might not be the worst idea for him to go to a less pressurised environment. Worked for Gibson
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Post by Guest on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:45 pm

Intrigued to see what happens with Everton over the summer. Yeah, you could be right & he worked with Martinez @ Wigan, but I don't see him being good enough. Long term replacement for Osman is the idea behind it. We shall see.

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