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Post by Trebs on Thu 01 May 2014, 10:10 am

First topic message reminder :

It's the European Parliament Elections on May 22nd, with UKIP hoping to gain the most seats after second place last time out, with Labour and Liberal Democrats looking to hold onto their seats.

But, does anyone care? Only one in three people voted in the last elections, but there seems to be more of a media interest, especially with the TV debates between Nigel Farage and Nick Clegg, which if you haven't seen are worth a watch. Could it be argued that by Labour and Conservatives not showing to the debates, that UKIP and LibDem will gain?

It seems that this year, there will be a higher turnout but will it be a significant amount? UKIP are certainly a more real opposition and will surely gain seats, with the opinion polls showing UKIP are likely to win.

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Post by superflyweight on Wed 28 May 2014, 2:31 pm

And how much of that money would ever be put to such altruistic use by any of the mainstream political parties in this country?

Don't try hiding behind tired cliches.

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 28 May 2014, 2:40 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:And how many nurses or beat bobbies could £30m fund??

Don't try hiding behind meaningless percentages.

Exactly the point I was trying to make. And how many homeless people could our government help with that money, how many elderly people could get the care they deserve? And so on and so forth.

Mind you, on a similar note, there's another UKIP policy I agree with: cutting foreign aid. (Sorry to disappoint some people that they're not a one policy party)

£280 million to India, a country with its own space programme.
£446 million to Pakistan.
£305 million to Nigeria.
At least £2 million to Argentina.

All yearly figures, and I've barely scratched the surface, in all truth.

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Post by kingraf on Wed 28 May 2014, 2:51 pm

Those "aid" schemes are generally nothing more than a token of thanks to figureheads for allowing Britain to continually. Give Nigeria £300m in aid, fortunately end on the upside of all bilateral deals between the two countries
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Post by rodders on Wed 28 May 2014, 2:55 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:And how many nurses or beat bobbies could £30m fund??

Don't try hiding behind meaningless percentages.

None because welfare spending is a totally different budget to the home office, as is foreign aid.

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:00 pm

rodders wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:And how many nurses or beat bobbies could £30m fund??

Don't try hiding behind meaningless percentages.

None because welfare spending is a totally different budget to the home office, as is foreign aid.


Budgets can be transferred and altered, they're not set in stone...

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Post by skyeman on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:03 pm

A few reasons better off out.   Freedom to make stronger trade deals with other nations.  Freedom to spend UK resources presently through EU membership in the UK to the advantage of our citizens. Freedom to control our national borders. Freedom to restore Britain’s special legal system. Freedom to deregulate the EU’s costly mass of laws.Freedom to make major savings for British consumers. Freedom to improve the British economy and generate more jobs.  Freedom to negotiate better trade deals for Britain.  Freedom to save the NHS from EU threats to undermine it by harmonising healthcare across the EU, and to reduce welfare payments to non-UK EU citizens.  Freedom to restore British customs and traditions.

The ECHR, fishing, CAP, undemocratic and unaccountable, corrupt, wasteful EU, the representatives that we elect should not be able to give the UK away, hypocrisy towards other EU states, one point that i keep mentioning is the EU is part of the New World Order and an oligarchy.



Although the EU has a parliament, a single state's objection to a new piece of legislation would make no difference if the other 26 states were in favour of it.

Nation states no longer get a veto when deciding on new legislation. New legislation is put through either by consensus among the members, or by qualified majority voting. Thus countries cannot block legislation they strongly disagree with.

Essentially the EU is too great a body to legislate and the power should be handed back to Westminster and other nation states.



The EU is  a drain on the British economy. A huge amount of money given to the EU is allocated to bureaucracy and wasteful spending such as the Common Agricultural Policy.
That is almost half EU spending allocated towards an industry that employs only 5% of EU citizens and generates 1.6% GDP.

This is truly unneccessary and is unequally distributed, France reportedly benefitting immensely, while countries with very little agricultural sectors seeing few benefits, and yet expected to foot the bill for this wasteful policy.

Britain must remain its own country. Being a part of the EU threatens national identity and the UK economy amongst other things. Britain does not need to rely on its European neighbours in order to succeed.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:06 pm

superflyweight wrote:And how much of that money would ever be put to such altruistic use by any of the mainstream political parties in this country?  

Don't try hiding behind tired cliches.  

And stop hiding behind tired cliches of tired cliches.

The inescapable point is that £30m is a lot of money that could undoubtedly be better spent elsewhere, not just on 'cliched' items. It could also be passed on as tax savings but the difference there would be miniscule.

£30m wasted is £30m wasted, whether you like it (or, are ambivalent towards it) or not.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:11 pm

Whether you like where the money is going or not it is being spent on children, or at least it's what it's meant for so saying wasted is a touch strong? The current government are requesting the NHS make huge savings so they're hardly going to split the £30 mil across the 200 odd CCGs either.

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Post by rodders on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:12 pm

Duty281 wrote:
rodders wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:And how many nurses or beat bobbies could £30m fund??

Don't try hiding behind meaningless percentages.

None because welfare spending is a totally different budget to the home office, as is foreign aid.


Budgets can be transferred and altered, they're not set in stone...

Err actually they can't. What doesn't get spent gets returned to the treasury at the end of the financial year.

The UKs Foreign Aid budget amounts to 0.7% of spending, Obviously maths and economics isn't Nigel Faraiges strong point.
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:13 pm

rodders wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:And how many nurses or beat bobbies could £30m fund??

Don't try hiding behind meaningless percentages.

None because welfare spending is a totally different budget to the home office, as is foreign aid.


Laughable answer. Actually quite dissapointing coming from someone of your haughty intellect.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:15 pm

rodders wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
rodders wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:And how many nurses or beat bobbies could £30m fund??

Don't try hiding behind meaningless percentages.

None because welfare spending is a totally different budget to the home office, as is foreign aid.


Budgets can be transferred and altered, they're not set in stone...

Err actually they can't. What doesn't get spent gets returned to the treasury at the end of the financial year.

The UKs Foreign Aid budget amounts to 0.7% of spending, Obviously maths and economics isn't Nigel Faraiges strong point.

How many other countries match that 0.7% commitment? And it's 0.7% of GDP, not spending, is it not??

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Post by skyeman on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:17 pm

Rodders, two weeks ago called all UKIP voters racists and nazi's. Laugh 

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:19 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Whether you like where the money is going or not it is being spent on children, or at least it's what it's meant for so saying wasted is a touch strong? The current government are requesting the NHS make huge savings so they're hardly going to split the £30 mil across the 200 odd CCGs either.

Again, 'think of the children' should not be used as a shield to poor fiscal policy.

That money is being spent of kids of non-Brit nationals who are not living in this country, which is not what child benefit is supposed to be for.

How much is the bedroom tax saving? Could £30m cross-subsidise that? Would benefit people actually living in this country.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:22 pm

TBH, I'm not pro-UKIP and, if anything, am pro-Europe.

This para from Rodders best sums up my feelings, both with respect to immigration and other issues such as the economy and crime:

Rodders wrote:The only way for the UK to restrict EU immigration without damaging into economy is to stay with the EU and work with other member states to amend the constitution democratically..

It's just there's some rhetoric flying around which I dispute.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:23 pm

Not saying it is, just your wording of 'wasted' is slightly misplaced.

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Post by skyeman on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:25 pm

Faie enough, from both sides, it must be said.

A referendum is all i personally want as does now nearly 80% of the UK electorate.


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Post by rodders on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:26 pm

skyeman wrote:Rodders, two weeks ago called all UKIP voters racists and nazi's. Laugh 

No I said some were racists and Nazis, the rest are just plain stupid. Here now don't exaggerate.... Wink
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Post by skyeman on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:29 pm

Come on Rodders, you never differentiated, now it is some!

Did you say that there were some in all parties?

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Post by rodders on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:34 pm

Well 32% of the country openly admit to being racist according to latest research which roughly  corresponds to UKIPs vote.....
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Post by skyeman on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:36 pm

rodders wrote:Well 32% of the country openly admit to being racist according to latest research which roughly  corresponds to UKIPs vote.....


That's better Rodders, back to your old self Wink

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:38 pm

Well 30 per cent admit to being racially prejudiced.

And this UKIP voter here, with several people of mixed-race origin in his family, would like to stress that he isn't one of the thirty percent.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:48 pm

Duty281 wrote:Well 30 per cent admit to being racially prejudiced.

And this UKIP voter here, with several people of mixed-race origin in his family, would like to stress that he isn't one of the thirty percent.

I remember you telling people you was a girl before about a year ago and you are tell everyone you are 18, you are gay, you are mixed race, you work in some job that allows you to be on the internet (606v2) the whole day and you have an iq of 145, what next?

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:51 pm

skyeman wrote:Rodders, two weeks ago called all UKIP voters racists and nazi's. Laugh 

Being honest I don't remember him saying that.

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:58 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Well 30 per cent admit to being racially prejudiced.

And this UKIP voter here, with several people of mixed-race origin in his family, would like to stress that he isn't one of the thirty percent.

I remember you telling people you was a girl before about a year ago and you are tell everyone you are 18, you are gay, you are mixed race, you work in some job that allows you to be on the internet (606v2) the whole day and you have an iq of 145, what next?

When have I ever said I'm a girl? Or mixed race for that matter?

And I only work part-time..which isn't today! Should have been working on Monday, but Bank Holiday and all that.


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Post by skyeman on Wed 28 May 2014, 3:58 pm

In other words the 30% are Labour, Libdem, and Conservative voters. And if say 10 -15 % went over to UKIP. You see where this is going Rodders.?

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 28 May 2014, 4:05 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Not saying it is, just your wording of 'wasted' is slightly misplaced.

In my view it is not misplaced, I mean it 100%. Spend it on kids in this country if you're desperate to spend money on them.

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Post by rodders on Wed 28 May 2014, 4:14 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Well 30 per cent admit to being racially prejudiced.

And this UKIP voter here, with several people of mixed-race origin in his family, would like to stress that he isn't one of the thirty percent.

I remember you telling people you was a girl before about a year ago and you are tell everyone you are 18, you are gay, you are mixed race, you work in some job that allows you to be on the internet (606v2) the whole day and you have an iq of 145, what next?

When have I ever said I'm a girl? Or mixed race for that matter?

And I only work part-time..which isn't today! Should have been working on Monday, but Bank Holiday and all that.


Well there you have it - your average UKIP supporter is male, white and doesn't work full time (or bank holidays)...... talk about bucking the stereotype ....  Cool
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Post by Duty281 on Wed 28 May 2014, 4:19 pm

rodders wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Well 30 per cent admit to being racially prejudiced.

And this UKIP voter here, with several people of mixed-race origin in his family, would like to stress that he isn't one of the thirty percent.

I remember you telling people you was a girl before about a year ago and you are tell everyone you are 18, you are gay, you are mixed race, you work in some job that allows you to be on the internet (606v2) the whole day and you have an iq of 145, what next?

When have I ever said I'm a girl? Or mixed race for that matter?

And I only work part-time..which isn't today! Should have been working on Monday, but Bank Holiday and all that.


Well there you have it - your average UKIP supporter is male, white and doesn't work full time (or bank holidays)...... talk about bucking the stereotype ....  Cool

And he's gay, non-Christian, is related to several non-white people, reads the Times, comes from Cornwall, and thinks everything can be solved with a certain level of charm, a smile and a wink.

Yeah...bucking the stereotype!

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Post by rodders on Wed 28 May 2014, 4:57 pm

I can see how your voting options would be limited I suppose....
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Post by Duty281 on Wed 28 May 2014, 5:04 pm

He'd also most like to live in Canada, or Italy, possibly New Zealand, but certainly not this shell of a country in which he presently resides.

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Post by rodders on Wed 28 May 2014, 5:13 pm

Duty281 wrote:He'd also most like to live in Canada, or Italy, possibly New Zealand, but certainly not this shell of a country in which he presently resides.

Best up sticks to Italy before the referendum then.....
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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Wed 28 May 2014, 5:20 pm

Duty281 wrote:He'd also most like to live in Canada, or Italy, possibly New Zealand, but certainly not this shell of a country in which he presently resides.

I lived in Spain for about a year and it was amazing, I am sure Italy would be amazing as well.

What makes you want to leave the UK? My advice would be (if you are 18) go to Uni this year and study a subject that you enjoy so possibly Politics or even law or international relations. You learn a lot at uni about life and culture esecially if you go to a uni in a different city and live with international students. It is the best fun you will have in your life.

If you still want to leave the UK you will still be young 21/22 and you would be classed as a skilled worker for canadian visa/new zealand visa so you can move abroad and find a decent job.

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Post by superflyweight on Wed 28 May 2014, 5:23 pm

Stewart Lee pretty much perfectly summed up the stupidity of voting for UKIP as a form of protest. To paraphrase, voting for UKIP as a form of protest is like sh1tting on your pillow in a hotel bedroom as a protest against the hotel's unsanitary condition. All very good, but you're still left with a sh1tty pillow.

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Post by Rowley on Wed 28 May 2014, 5:43 pm

Do you know what really scares me with UKIP, it is not whether they are racist or not or any of that nonsense. It is the fact that their deputy leader is Neil Hamilton!!! Hells teeth if they get in or get to a position of power Neil Hamilton is one more ill advised plane journey away from being one of the most powerful people in Britain.

Prior to UKIP appearing he would have considered himself lucky to have got the call to be the comedy John Sergeant, Anne Widdicombe booking on Strictly Come Dancing.

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Post by skyeman on Wed 28 May 2014, 5:47 pm

superflyweight wrote:Stewart Lee pretty much perfectly summed up the stupidity of voting for UKIP as a form of protest.  To paraphrase, voting for UKIP as a form of protest is like sh1tting on your pillow in a hotel bedroom as a protest against the hotel's unsanitary condition.  All very good, but you're still left with a sh1tty pillow.

Gosh if i have read that one, i have read it a thousand times. Shocked 

Voting for Labour, who nearly killed the UK is just as stupid. Or for the Lib Dems, are there many left after what they did? Just as stupid. And the Conservatives?

Talk is cheap.


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Post by kingraf on Wed 28 May 2014, 5:52 pm

The phrase "If you don't share your wealth with the poor, they will share their poverty" comes to mind.
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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Wed 28 May 2014, 5:55 pm

Rowley wrote:Do you know what really scares me with UKIP, it is not whether they are racist or not or any of that nonsense. It is the fact that their deputy leader is Neil Hamilton!!! Hells teeth if they get in or get to a position of power Neil Hamilton is one more ill advised plane journey away from being one of the most powerful people in Britain.

Prior to UKIP appearing he would have considered himself lucky to have got the call to be the comedy John Sergeant, Anne Widdicombe booking on Strictly Come Dancing.  

Am I right in thinking a few years ago that Neil Hamilton was guilty of corruption and abuse of power because he was accepting money (from Mohammed al fayed) to ask questions in the house of commons?

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Wed 28 May 2014, 5:56 pm

kingraf wrote:The phrase "If you don't share your wealth with the poor, they will share their poverty" comes to mind.

That is a great phrase, do you know who said it?

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Post by kingraf on Wed 28 May 2014, 6:41 pm

Not sure mate, it's what the Somali nationals always moan when they discuss the state of their nation.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 29 May 2014, 8:08 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Not saying it is, just your wording of 'wasted' is slightly misplaced.

In my view it is not misplaced, I mean it 100%.  Spend it on kids in this country if you're desperate to spend money on them.

Ah, so it's wasted because it's spent on foreigners. Got you.

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu 29 May 2014, 9:12 am

No it's wasted because we have some major issues here in our own country that need sorting out.

Get your own house in order before trying to help other people get theirs in order.

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Post by Trebs on Thu 29 May 2014, 10:02 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT--RnOYORI

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Post by skyeman on Thu 29 May 2014, 10:45 am

And that **** Blair sat there with a grin on his face.

Farage was right. Look at how Blair/Brown left the UK.

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Post by skyeman on Thu 29 May 2014, 10:56 am

Piers Morgan and Joey Barton on Question Time tonight. Should be good Wink 

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Post by superflyweight on Thu 29 May 2014, 11:01 am

skyeman wrote:
superflyweight wrote:Stewart Lee pretty much perfectly summed up the stupidity of voting for UKIP as a form of protest.  To paraphrase, voting for UKIP as a form of protest is like sh1tting on your pillow in a hotel bedroom as a protest against the hotel's unsanitary condition.  All very good, but you're still left with a sh1tty pillow.

Gosh if i have read that one, i have read it a thousand times. Shocked 

Voting for Labour, who nearly killed the UK is just as stupid. Or for the Lib Dems, are there many left after what they did? Just as stupid. And the Conservatives?

Talk is cheap.


Regardless of the lack of options, voting for a party of complete cnutslices is the height of stupidity. Best not to vote at all if no party appeals and hope that one day ballot papers include a "none of the above" option.

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Post by Duty281 on Thu 29 May 2014, 11:04 am

skyeman wrote: Piers Morgan and Joey Barton on Question Time tonight. Should be good Wink 

If the line-up was completed by Nigel Farage, David Starkey and David Mitchell, with Paxman presenting, and it were a two-hour special, it would be perfect!

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 29 May 2014, 11:50 am

skyeman wrote:Rodders, two weeks ago called all UKIP voters racists and nazi's. Laugh 

Nazi's is a little too far..

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 29 May 2014, 11:57 am

I'm sick to death of Muppets blaming Blair/Brown for a world wide recession..

The Tories didn't want Northern rock bailed out..

Just stop it


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Post by skyeman on Thu 29 May 2014, 12:21 pm

When Blair says sorry.

Sorry for leading us into ill-judged wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with thousands of casualties on all sides; sorry for permanently damaging our country’s diplomatic standing by fatuously endorsing President George W. Bush’s rubbish. Sorry for changing, through a purposeful policy of mass immigration, the cultural fabric of our country without first asking if there was a consensus to do so. Labour (and the Tories and Lib Dems) would not be suffering the electoral backlash now against his own policies.

Blair has admitted that at least some of the country's current economic woes were down to him.

Don't get me started on his EU agenda!

So forgive this muppet, Blair was a **** of a PM.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 29 May 2014, 12:35 pm

So we can't give any credit to LBJ for the Civil rights act unless he apologises for Vietnam...

Your hatred of Labour is irrational..

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