India in Bangladesh--and Indian cricket

by KP_fan Sat 31 May 2014, 12:30 pm

First topic message reminder :

Indian team was declared for BD and Eng

Squad for Bangladesh ODIs Suresh Raina (capt.), Robin Uthappa, Ajinkya Rahane, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ambati Rayudu, Manoj Tiwary, Kedar Jadhav, Wriddhiman Saha (wk), Parvez Rasool, Akshar Patel, R Vinay Kumar, Umesh Yadav, Stuart Binny, Mohit Sharma, Amit Mishra

MS Dhoni (capt. & wk), M Vijay, Shikhar Dhawan, Gautam Gambhir, Cheteshwar Pujara, Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane, Rohit Sharma, Ravindra Jadeja, R Ashwin, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Mohammed Shami, Ishwar Pandey, Ishant Sharma, Stuart Binny, Varun Aaron, Wriddhiman Saha (wk), Pankaj Singh
In: Gautam Gambhir, Stuart Binny, Varun Aaron, Pankaj Singh
Out: Zaheer Khan, Umesh Yadav, Ambati Rayudu

by Mad for Chelsea Tue 17 Jun 2014, 3:45 pm

let's be fair for a minute. Binny did bowl nicely, he pitched it up, and swung it. BD batting though was clueless, utterly clueless. ugh...

by msp83 Tue 17 Jun 2014, 3:52 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:let's be fair for a minute. Binny did bowl nicely, he pitched it up, and swung it. BD batting though was clueless, utterly clueless. ugh...

MFC you are right, Binny did bowl wll. But his batting and bowling are mediocre and he's not a cricketer of international standards who can be expected to produce sustained quality performances. But if people read too much into this performance, he could end up playing a test in England next month, and that is a horrifying proposition!!.

by msp83 Tue 17 Jun 2014, 3:53 pm

Binny's 6 for 4 is the best bowling figures for an Indian bowler, bettering Anil Kumble's 6 for 12 against the mighty West Indies.

by Mad for Chelsea Tue 17 Jun 2014, 3:58 pm

msp83 wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:let's be fair for a minute. Binny did bowl nicely, he pitched it up, and swung it. BD batting though was clueless, utterly clueless. ugh...
MFC you are right, Binny did bowl wll. But his batting and bowling are mediocre and he's not a cricketer of international standards who can be expected to produce sustained quality performances. But if people read too much into this performance, he could end up playing a test in England next month, and that is a horrifying proposition!!.

that rather depends on whom you support Very Happy

I'd be delighted to see Binny in the team. While you're at it, get Gambhir and Sehwag back, please?

by Gerry SA Tue 17 Jun 2014, 4:00 pm

MSP your worst nightmare might be coming true.

Raina said this performance will help Binny when he plays Test cricket in England.

by ShankyCricket Tue 17 Jun 2014, 4:20 pm

Might not be the worst thing if he plays ahead of Rohit Sharma though. Like for like sh** for sh** replacement.

by msp83 Tue 17 Jun 2014, 4:37 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:
msp83 wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:let's be fair for a minute. Binny did bowl nicely, he pitched it up, and swung it. BD batting though was clueless, utterly clueless. ugh...
MFC you are right, Binny did bowl wll. But his batting and bowling are mediocre and he's not a cricketer of international standards who can be expected to produce sustained quality performances. But if people read too much into this performance, he could end up playing a test in England next month, and that is a horrifying proposition!!.

that rather depends on whom you support I'd be delighted to see Binny in the team. While you're at it, get Gambhir and Sehwag back, please?

I promise we will play Ishant Sharma and also Rohit Sharma!. Now don't be greedy be a good boy and behave yourselves!!!.

by Mad for Chelsea Tue 17 Jun 2014, 4:48 pm

Ishant? really? That's nice of you. Might even get Cook back into a little bit of form Very Happy

Thought Mohit Sharma looked a decent bowler today, bowled good lines and lengths, got some movement, and a nice slower ball to get rid of the BD n°8 showed he was thinking things through. Looks one to watch.

by ShankyCricket Tue 17 Jun 2014, 5:00 pm

Yeah, Mohit Sharma is a decent prospect in limited overs cricket. Maintains a decent line and length (which is often a herculean task for an Indian seamer), not a prodigious swing or seam bowler but gets enough movement and has decent variations. Doesn't have a yorker though, like every other Indian seamer.

by msp83 Tue 17 Jun 2014, 5:02 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Ishant? really? That's nice of you. Might even get Cook back into a little bit of form

Thought Mohit Sharma looked a decent bowler today, bowled good lines and lengths, got some movement, and a nice slower ball to get rid of the BD n°8 showed he was thinking things through. Looks one to watch.

He has a good slower ball and has a lot of IPL success. But after Jade Dernbach, I don't trust guys who bowl too many slower ones!. Yeah seriously, he has showed an ability to move the ball in helpful conditions, but not sure he has the pace to trouble good test batsman in conditions that aren't great for seam bowling.

by ShankyCricket Tue 17 Jun 2014, 5:05 pm

msp83 wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:Ishant? really? That's nice of you. Might even get Cook back into a little bit of form

Thought Mohit Sharma looked a decent bowler today, bowled good lines and lengths, got some movement, and a nice slower ball to get rid of the BD n°8 showed he was thinking things through. Looks one to watch.
He has a good slower ball and has a lot of IPL success. But after Jade Dernbach, I don't trust guys who bowl too many slower ones!. Yeah seriously, he has showed an ability to move the ball in helpful conditions, but not sure he has the pace to trouble good test batsman in conditions that aren't great for seam bowling.

Not a Test bowler but worth a shout in LOIs especially considering our options. Better option in limited overs cricket than someone like Yadav, who is far too profligate in the shorter formats. Even today, he wasted helpful conditions. Disgraceful to leave him (Yadav) out of Tests though.

by Mad for Chelsea Tue 17 Jun 2014, 5:17 pm

ShankyCricket wrote:
msp83 wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:Ishant? really? That's nice of you. Might even get Cook back into a little bit of form

Thought Mohit Sharma looked a decent bowler today, bowled good lines and lengths, got some movement, and a nice slower ball to get rid of the BD n°8 showed he was thinking things through. Looks one to watch.
He has a good slower ball and has a lot of IPL success. But after Jade Dernbach, I don't trust guys who bowl too many slower ones!. Yeah seriously, he has showed an ability to move the ball in helpful conditions, but not sure he has the pace to trouble good test batsman in conditions that aren't great for seam bowling.
Not a Test bowler but worth a shout in LOIs especially considering our options. Better option in limited overs cricket than someone like Yadav, who is far too profligate in the shorter formats. Even today, he wasted helpful conditions. Disgraceful to leave him (Yadav) out of Tests though.

cheer up, at least you have Ishant Sharma Very Happy

what I liked about the slower ball wasn't so much the slower ball in itself, but the thought process that went into it: he saw after the n°8's first ball that the batsman was looking to get after him, and slipped in the slower one. Good thinking, and that's important for a bowler.

by msp83 Tue 17 Jun 2014, 5:52 pm

Yeah, Mohit is a decent option in limited overs.....

by KP_fan Tue 17 Jun 2014, 9:01 pm

Dibbly Dobbyl Binny swung it when it was swinging to finish with 6-4 ( yes that is 6 wkts for 4 runs...even reading it reverse was still excellent)...best bowling figures by an Indian.

I always noted the potential in this guy at least for ODIs......Dhoni didn't use him well enough.
Now he has answered all critics and it's a matter of time before he scores some decent runs...his technique is better than Jadeja's and is no less a hitter

and will be taken more seriously as a test potential......so now we have a possible test line up emerging with Jadeja and Binny in as bowlers no. 4 and 5....giving India 4+1 or 3+2 option

and India win by a comfortable 50 runs....after scoring only 105 Hug

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 6:33 am

Besides being a decent ODI prospect, Mohit Sharma comes across as a thinking cricketer.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/753561.html

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 7:52 am

The 3rd ODI is about to start. India won the toss and are batting.
Manoj Tiwary in for Amit Mishra. Stuart Binny and Akshar Patel form a 4 man attack with Umesh Yadav and Mohit Sharma.
Bangladesh dropped Ziaur Rahman, and Sohag Gazi is brought back in.

by KP_fan Thu 19 Jun 2014, 8:09 am

they are underestimating the BD batting......Patel and Binny should be the 5th and 6th bowlers and not the 3rd and 4th.

India better gets closer to 350 today........a 280ish score would be rather easily surmountable

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 8:24 am

India 8 without loss in the 5th over......

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 8:26 am

There goes Robin Uthappa. Mortaza with an early strike for Bangladesh, Uthappa edging and finding slip. India 8-1.

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 8:31 am

Now Rahane goes. Al-Amin with the wicket, Rahane edges one that took off and Nasir Hossain takes the catch at slip. This pitch has some life in it for the seamers, and like in the last game, the Indian batsmen are not dealing with it well at all.
India 8-2.

by KP_fan Thu 19 Jun 2014, 9:22 am

India 4 down for 18 runs.....looks like another pitch with assistance for seamers and swing bowling

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 9:24 am

India 18-4 in the 11th over. Seems like an extension of the last game. Pujara and Raina at the crease. The Bangladesh seamers are making the ball do things and the Indian batsmen haven't had too many answers as of now. Rahane got a very good ball that he couldn't do too much about, and Uthappa also got a good one, but Rayudu and Tiwary player desperately poor shots, particularly considering the track and the condition in which the innings was.

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 9:27 am

Besides Binny looking the top bowler, Raina is now emerging as the top batsman for India in this series. These Bangladeshis are doing real damage to the Indians in the medium run!.

by ShankyCricket Thu 19 Jun 2014, 10:03 am

30 ODIs. Average of 25. Strike Rate of 72. The only Indian player to have played the last 12 ODIs in a row now. But hey, he hasn't had a "fair run".

by KP_fan Thu 19 Jun 2014, 11:01 am

msp83 wrote:Besides Binny looking the top bowler, Raina is now emerging as the top batsman for India in this series. These Bangladeshis are doing real damage to the Indians in the medium run!.

No one is ever going to play Binny as a specialist bowler....
what he has shown...that in helpful conditions he can be the 4th seamer ( or 3rd seamer if we want to play 2 spinners)

He can bowl in mid 120s ( same speed as many Indian seamers)...and use the conditions
PLUS he is a commpetent No. 6 batter also

by ShankyCricket Thu 19 Jun 2014, 11:41 am

KP_fan wrote:
msp83 wrote:Besides Binny looking the top bowler, Raina is now emerging as the top batsman for India in this series. These Bangladeshis are doing real damage to the Indians in the medium run!.

No one is ever going to play Binny as a specialist bowler....
what he has shown...that in helpful conditions he can be the 4th seamer ( or 3rd seamer if we want to play 2 spinners)

He can bowl in mid 120s ( same speed as many Indian seamers)...and use the conditions
PLUS he is a commpetent No. 6 batter also

With a List A average of 22?

by KP_fan Thu 19 Jun 2014, 11:52 am

I am talking about test matches here...and in the last 2 or 3 seasons.....he has averaged 50ish or thereabout in FC cricket
and at the same time he has averaged below 30 with the ball in those periods.

and having seen him bat...he has the inning building ability and technique required by a No. 6 batsman....and the ability to explode when and if with the tail to score quickly.

In English / any seaming conditions Binny + Jadeja and 3 other specialist bowlers will lend a lot of depth to the bowling resources without weakning the batting

by KP_fan Thu 19 Jun 2014, 1:44 pm

And Stuart Binny top scores with the bat and still going strong...son of lion hearted fighter Roger Binny showing he is the chip of the same block.

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 4:35 pm

Washout.......

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 4:42 pm

So that ends a a series from which both sides gained nothing much. Bangladesh at least have a fine prospect in the seam bowling department in young Taskin Ahmed. But that is all....... Uthappa and Rahane made runs in the first game, then every Indian batsmen struggled in the next couple of games with Suresh Raina of all the people emerging with more credits than the rest. Cheteshwar Pujara needed some ODI runs, he had to face up to some tough conditions and couldn't deliver. The nature of the game is such that you really have to take the opportunity that comes your way and Pujara, despite being so highly talented, just couldn't, and in all probability, will have to wait a while before another opportunity presents itself.
Ajinkya Rahane's inconsistencies hasn't helped either. He has had a decent run in the side since the New Zealand Series, but has been inconsistent throughout and hasn't really helped his case.
Mohit Sharma and Binny have earned themselves further opportunities........
And fully expect Suresh Raina to waltz into that number 5 position for another 2 years........

by ShankyCricket Thu 19 Jun 2014, 4:49 pm

msp83 wrote:Washout.......

Rahane has now played the last 12 ODIs for India in a row (he is the only player in the team to have played all those, all the others have been dropped/rested at some point). Not a fair run.

Overall ODI tally reads : 30 matches, avg 25 and SR of 72.

Country by country breakdown of averages is even more telling

vs AFG : 56
vs BD : 35
vs Eng : 30
vs NZ : 10 (YES, TEN)
vs Pak : 13.50
vs SA : 8
vs Sri Lanka : 15.50
vs WI : 0
vs Zimb : 50

by ShankyCricket Thu 19 Jun 2014, 5:00 pm

Of course a lot of those averages are based on 1 or 2 matches (not the NZ one though, he played all 5 matches and had a shocker) or against England (against whom he has played 12 matches and has the highest average among non-minnows but which is still quite poor). But it does show you he has NEVER scored runs against decent bowling over a reasonably decent sample size of 30 ODIs (please don't use Rohit Sharma's 100 matches as a benchmark, if anything, the lessons should be learnt from that horrible experiement). And "inconsistent run" is no longer an excuse. He has played 12 matches in a row now.

by ShankyCricket Thu 19 Jun 2014, 5:03 pm

Must admit msp was right about Rayudu. He looks completely out of his depth at this level. But whilst Rahane is the third best batter in the Test side, his record in ODIs is one of the worst of all time in Indian history for anyone who has played 25+ ODIs, especially at the top of the order.

by ShankyCricket Thu 19 Jun 2014, 5:03 pm

msp83 wrote:So that ends a a series from which both sides gained nothing much. Bangladesh at least have a fine prospect in the seam bowling department in young Taskin Ahmed. But that is all....... Uthappa and Rahane made runs in the first game, then every Indian batsmen struggled in the next couple of games with Suresh Raina of all the people emerging with more credits than the rest. Cheteshwar Pujara needed some ODI runs, he had to face up to some tough conditions and couldn't deliver. The nature of the game is such that you really have to take the opportunity that comes your way and Pujara, despite being so highly talented, just couldn't, and in all probability, will have to wait a while before another opportunity presents itself.
Ajinkya Rahane's inconsistencies hasn't helped either. He has had a decent run in the side since the New Zealand Series, but has been inconsistent throughout and hasn't really helped his case.
Mohit Sharma and Binny have earned themselves further opportunities........
And fully expect Suresh Raina to waltz into that number 5 position for another 2 years........

Inconsistencies? Come on msp, his ODI career has been a downright disaster.

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 5:16 pm

An ODI average of 25 after 30 games is pretty poor even though he did not get a fair run or consistent batting position before this year. But now that he got a decent run in the side, there are no excuses. Perhaps they should give Uthappa a bit of a run in the side? I am not the most convinced by him but he can play in different gears and seems to have improved his overall technique a bit.
With Rayudu it was an impression, a feeling, but he has unfortunately proved those concerns to be true.
So what could be the lineup for the next series?
Shikhar Dhawan
Robin Uthappa
Virat Kohli
Rohit Sharma/Ajinkya Rahane/Ambati Rayudu (none of them really making much of a case for themselves, but should start with Rohit who was at least scoring big runs on flat tracks)
MS Dhoni
Suresh Raina/Stuart Binny?
Ravindra Jadeja
R Ashwin/Amit Mishra
Bhuvneshwar Kumar
Mohit Sharma
Mohammed Shami

by ShankyCricket Thu 19 Jun 2014, 5:26 pm

msp83 wrote:An ODI average of 25 after 30 games is pretty poor even though he did not get a fair run or consistent batting position before this year. But now that he got a decent run in the side, there are no excuses. Perhaps they should give Uthappa a bit of a run in the side? I am not the most convinced by him but he can play in different gears and seems to have improved his overall technique a bit.
With Rayudu it was an impression, a feeling, but he has unfortunately proved those concerns to be true.
So what could be the lineup for the next series?
Shikhar Dhawan
Robin Uthappa
Virat Kohli
Rohit Sharma/Ajinkya Rahane/Ambati Rayudu (none of them really making much of a case for themselves, but should start with Rohit who was at least scoring big runs on flat tracks)
MS Dhoni
Suresh Raina/Stuart Binny?
Ravindra Jadeja
R Ashwin/Amit Mishra
Bhuvneshwar Kumar
Mohit Sharma
Mohammed Shami

What about Kedar Jadhav at 4 (or 6), msp? The India A team is touring Australia for a Quadrangular series. Could be an opportunity for a few youngsters to make a case in conditions where the WC will be played? Australia and SA have picked very strong sides too, lots of bowlers who have played int'l cricket. Should be a good test.

by ShankyCricket Thu 19 Jun 2014, 5:43 pm

Won't have all 3 of Binny, Ashwin and Jadeja. Binny is certainly not a top 6 material. Either him or Ashwin I think. I don't rate Binny but he probably deserves a chance to fail vs good opposition in ODIs. But definitely in the top 6. May be as the 5th bowler with maybe Rohit and Virat filling in?

Shikhar Dhawan
Robin Uthappa
Virat Kohli
Rohit Sharma
Kedar Jadhav
MS Dhoni (c-wk)
Ravindra Jadeja
Stuart Binny/R Ashwin
Bhuvneshwar Kumar
Mohit Sharma
Mohammad Shami

Back ups :

R Ashwin/Stuart Binny
+ 3 other players primarily from those who do well on the India A tour (2 bowlers and a batsman)

Contenders : Ambati Rayudu, Manoj Tiwary, Sanju Samson, Parvez Rasool, Akshar Patel, Dhawal Kulkarni, Rishi Dhawan, Karn Sharma, Rahul Shukla, Manan Vohra, Jaydev Unadkat. I'd also add Pujara, Raina and Mishra to that list although they are not a part of the India A side (perhaps because they are experienced ODI players and in Pujara's case, of course, because he'll be playing test cricket in England at the time). I've excluded the likes of Manish Pandey and Unmukt Chand because I don't think they are anywhere near ready. You could say the same about Vohra I guess but he showed some special talent (and some brains too especially in the final when he was struggling but didn't give it away) and a splendid performance with the A side and you never know!

In addition, there are players like KL Rahul, Sandeep Sharma, Bumrah, Baba Aparajith, Karun Nair who are not a part of the Quadrangular squad but will be touring for the First Class matches and have an opportunity to make their case for ODI inclusion in those matches. Even though its a different format these guys do have the game to play limited overs cricket (unlike say, a Jiwanjot Singh who is strictly a FC specialist) Of course I don't expect too many of these to make the final WC squad but all of them have lots to play for, even if for only 2, 3 or 4 slots.

Ishwar Pandey is another bowler not part of the India A squad (because it clashes with the England tests of course) who should be considered for the ODI squad depending on his test form. Don't think Pankaj Singh is suited to the shorter formats though. Varun Aaron maybe, if he bowls well in the tests. Hopefully no Ishant Sharma!!

by KP_fan Thu 19 Jun 2014, 6:11 pm

i wasn't watching but there were many comments that the ptich was not easy for batting.

we found out in second ODI...that India won by a handsome 50 runs.

from this series Binny and Mohit sharma come out with reputations enhanced .....Binny certainly has justified his test match inclusions

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 6:38 pm

Shanky, Kedar Jadhav is actually a pretty good call. Does deserve a go at that number 6 position. He has batted up the order for his Ranji side and topscored last season, but I doubt he has an international game to both an innings builder and hitter/finisher. Think he's more suited to the latter role. MSD, one of the most rounded ODI batsmen ever, should bat at 5 from where he can rebuild or attack according to the situation. Then Jadhav can come in at 6 followed by the all-rounders.

by ShankyCricket Thu 19 Jun 2014, 7:02 pm

KP_fan wrote:i wasn't watching but there were many comments that the ptich was not easy for batting.

we found out in second ODI...that India won by a handsome 50 runs.

from this series Binny and Mohit sharma come out with reputations enhanced .....Binny certainly has justified his test match inclusions

How can you justify inclusion for a Test series in England based on ODI performances in Bangladesh?

by KP_fan Thu 19 Jun 2014, 7:12 pm

ShankyCricket wrote:
KP_fan wrote:i wasn't watching but there were many comments that the ptich was not easy for batting.

we found out in second ODI...that India won by a handsome 50 runs.

from this series Binny and Mohit sharma come out with reputations enhanced .....Binny certainly has justified his test match inclusions
How can you justify inclusion for a Test series in England based on ODI performances in Bangladesh?

selection was warranted on Ranji performances....especially Binny he has had 2 to 3 SOLID seasons with bat and ball.
ODIs confirmed the temperament at the big stage in India caps

by ShankyCricket Thu 19 Jun 2014, 7:13 pm

KP_fan wrote:
ShankyCricket wrote:
KP_fan wrote:i wasn't watching but there were many comments that the ptich was not easy for batting.

we found out in second ODI...that India won by a handsome 50 runs.

from this series Binny and Mohit sharma come out with reputations enhanced .....Binny certainly has justified his test match inclusions
How can you justify inclusion for a Test series in England based on ODI performances in Bangladesh?

selection was warranted on Ranji performances....especially Binny he has had 2 to 3 SOLID seasons with bat and ball.
ODIs confirmed the temperament at the big stage in India caps

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LOL.

by KP_fan Thu 19 Jun 2014, 7:23 pm

although Binny was competing with Rishi Dhwan for the same slot of seam bowling allrounder.

Dhawan is a bit better as a bowler I think
and Binny quite better as a batsman
In the end playing the elite Group A and winning the Ranji Trophy by Karnataka gave Binny's efforts more visibility and credibility compared to Dhawan.

Dhawan's on A tour to Aus and opportunity to impress

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 7:42 pm

Rishi Dhawan is miles better than Binny as an all-rounder, both with bat and ball. His batting and bowling averages are much better than those of Binny. If the muppets in the selection committee wanted a seam bowling all-rounder for the England tour, it had to be Rishi Dhawan.

by KP_fan Thu 19 Jun 2014, 7:52 pm

msp83 wrote:Rishi Dhawan is miles better than Binny as an all-rounder, both with bat and ball. His batting and bowling averages are much better than those of Binny. If the muppets in the selection committee wanted a seam bowling all-rounder for the England tour, it had to be Rishi Dhawan.

1)one thing we all discussed amply and agreed on is that there is room for one seam bowling allrounder......

2)now there are only 2 in the country...Binny and Dhawan

3)Dhwan has played in the plate groups and group C.......While Binny in Elite and Group A....so there is significant diffrence in the strengths of opponents they faced.

4) then Dhawan is further diluted playing in Dharamsala as his home ground......so his seam bowling numbers stand highly diluted to the seam friendly conditions

5) further Binny performed well in high pressure knock out Ranji semis and finals

6) and although IPL is not a direct measure for test abilities..... we have seen one who shines in IPL gets more visibility......Binny had an excellent last season with the bat as RR made it to the finals.....while with ball they have both been equally moderate in IPL.

there is a rationale in Binny's selection......respect for our domestic Ranji performances and a procedure in selection

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 9:01 pm

KPF, if you say Rishi who topped the bowling charts last year had favorable bowling conditions going for him in his home ground, then you should also remember he has a batting average that is almost 8 points more than that of Binny who mostly plays on flat roads of Bangalure. And Rishi took his wickets elsewhere as well, even on tracks that were on the flatter side.

by KP_fan Thu 19 Jun 2014, 9:09 pm

msp83 wrote:KPF, if you say Rishi who topped the bowling charts last year had favorable bowling conditions going for him in his home ground, then you should also remember he has a batting average that is almost 8 points more than that of Binny who mostly plays on flat roads of Bangalure. And Rishi took his wickets elsewhere as well, even on tracks that were on the flatter side.

dahawan was in div C.....and neitehr batted not bowled against good sides or in knock out games.
further last two seasons <Binny has been averagin 45 with the bat.....about 8 points above his career average

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 9:12 pm

There is an 8 point difference in their First Class bowling averages. Dhawan has 145 wickets from 33 games where as Binny has 82 from 20 odd more games. Dhawan averages 40 with the bat to binny's 36.
And no less significantly, Binny is 30 and Rishi is 24.

by KP_fan Thu 19 Jun 2014, 9:16 pm

msp83 wrote:There is an 8 point difference in their First Class bowling averages.

poor opponent( C group) and seam friendly wickets

Dhawan has 145 wickets from 33 games where as Binny has 82 from 20 odd more games.
Dhawan averages 40 with the bat to binny's 36.

last two to 3 seasons Binny averages 45

And no less significantly, Binny is 30 and Rishi is 24.

age is only a number...Binny has 6 more years left in him

by msp83 Thu 19 Jun 2014, 9:16 pm

Even in the IPL, Binny is used as a parttime bowler while Rishi is a regular bowler and he has been among the wickets this season as well.

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