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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish on Sat 07 Jun 2014, 12:41 pm

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Welcome to Season 7 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game.  Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to.  If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
 
 
Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players.  If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (SJE) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 20 players.  Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1992. 

Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.
Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.
  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on its own merits before being accepted or rejected.  No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.

    Open Window

    Open transfer window, teams have unlimited bids provided they have the financial resources to cover them.  Teams may only bid for one player at a time.

    The window will open from the 9th of June but only to those sides that finish 8th and below at first. They will have a week to make one signing each before the window is open to all.     

Player Releases wrote: 
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players.  Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches.  These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 15:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved).  An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result.  To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box. 
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.

For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£2m for descriptive predictions 
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (SJE) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 5:13 pm

Cueto extended for one last year in Jan

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Guest on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 5:44 pm

Watson is a huge potential. Has X factor like no one else

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 5:46 pm

I've always said Goosen wasn't as good as you suggested, never been a top 10 FH and has no tactical game. He's had so many injuries though he's just received hype as not playing.

Mogg vs Pennell - Pennell
Sam Smith vs Cueto - prob Cueto but play Maitland instead if you can
Pennell vs Maitland - Maitland on wing
Lapandry vs Johnson - depends on backrow balance
Vito at 6 vs at 8 - either fine, AJ at 6 Vito 8 would work
Ward vs Rees - Ward

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 5:48 pm

I don't think Burger has been great, he looks at 50/60% of what he has been. Could be fitness

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Guest on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 6:21 pm

Now he has had run of games Burger been immense. Does that distributing play maker role. Wants ball all the time and always makes right decision. His work rate is mental. Just like Juan smith and Richard Hill, mccaw, Kaino. Forces of nature .

Goosen very good tactically. Kicking game far advanced from
Someone like Cruden. Had 2 bad injuries one
Of them pure bad luck.

Agree to disagree as we always to over him. When you have him find of the season you said " absolute world beater and future bok legend"

I
Agree with that sentiment and think France will improve him no end. Think in steyn Pollard and Goosen they have best depth in world.

NZ need a 3rd FH to emerge. Slade is shocking at int level

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Driver on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 6:26 pm

Carter , Cruden and Barrett surely Matt?

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 6:30 pm

Goosen must have been about 18 when I said that, easy to get wrong at that age and he's proved he's anything but that. Meyer has stated he's not tactically aware and can't play conditions. You just can't compare Goosen to Cruden, they operate on different levels.

Burger has looked a shadow so far, could be fitness though I agree.

Always happy to agree to disagree, all opinions.

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Driver on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 6:38 pm

Bath backline is looking tasty for next year.

Genia , Ford , Eastmond , Burguss , Joseph , Roko and Watson.

I think Burguss will make a great 12 , rumours AUS offered him a deal to join Force and play for them in union. Blokes a monster , will get England further over the line that Tuilagi.

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Guest on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 6:45 pm

Mallet said conditions but he is a clown.

Meyer had goosen as first choice when fit. Said he needs to improve game management but is the future. Game management comes with games and experience.

Cruden has for me not progressed in anyway and gone backwards. He is without doubt though the best ever at restarts. I have a real bee in my bonet re cruden. I just don't see it. NZ pretty divide over him also. He has a good outside break but I think he is poor under pressure and in defence.

Barret is no defender but for me has that mental edge neededhttp://m.sarugbymag.co.za/mobilecomponents/basicpostview.php?slug=goosen-hungry-for-success&lastpage=0

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 6:49 pm

Goosen is not SA first choice....100%

Meyer publicly slated his game management. He's done nothing of note and has had an awful year.

Cruden is quality but hasn't had his best of seasons.

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Post by Guest on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 7:02 pm

Driver wrote:Bath backline is looking tasty for next year.

Genia , Ford , Eastmond , Burguss , Joseph , Roko and Watson.

I think Burguss will make a great 12 , rumours AUS offered him a deal to join Force and play for them in union. Blokes a monster , will get England further over the line that Tuilagi.


See that Beale is signing for rugby league on rugby heaven. Personally think it's nonsense and he is doing it to get extra cash from the union side he is signing for

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 7:04 pm

Jury out on Burgess at 12, I just can't see it. 6 could be great.

Seen the Beale rumour, bit odd.

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 7:05 pm

We will see, shame to lose Beale as a talent. Genuinely not convinced on Burgess right now, really depends how quick a learner he is

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Guest on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 7:10 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Goosen is not SA first choice....100%

Meyer publicly slated his game management. He's done nothing of note and has had an awful year.

Cruden is quality but hasn't had his best of seasons.

Link to Meyer public slating ??

The one I published showed Meyer thought he was first choice but needed to improve game management nectd seen one with slating ?

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Guest on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 7:11 pm

Jury out on burgess for me. Simply impossible to tell. Think 12 is more realistic than 6. 6 too technical to learn. How is his pace for 12?

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 7:12 pm

Keen on picking up EQ players. Will try and do an offer run tomorrow morning or tonight

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 7:13 pm

He said he can't play weather and questioned his game management. That's a slating for me, especially from your national manager. Not questioning doing anything of note and an awful year lol.

I posted a link when I read it.

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by dammit_chris on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 9:55 pm

Mat, for someone who is 18-19 stone he's pretty quick over 30 metres, he's no sprinter after that. The lad is just a freak of nature, not often you get Aussies loving an English player.

He'll go to no12 as he wants to make the RWC team. Enjoy watching him and all the Burgess brothers in league - if he does convert quickly you'd hate to play against him and Tuilagi - not sure who I'd least want to be tackled by out of the two.

Hope it does work as we are desperate for a decent 12 for England, as I don't think any of the guys we have out of Twelvetrees, Eastmond, Burrell.


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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 10:15 pm

I still think Allen deserves a go at 12. He was harshly dumped and has matured since anyway

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 12:16 am

It's Burgess's distribution or lack of that's worrying. Also he has zero kicking game and little pace.

His attributes just don't add up for a centre, he'll be much better suited to 6 if he can get his head round the rules.

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Post by Guest on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 12:34 am

Allen
Is Mint and deserves a shout

Meyer on goosen http://keo.co.za/index-old.php/2012/05/meyer-goosen-can-be-worlds-best/

http://www.ruggaworld.com/2012/09/26/goosen-starts-morne-dropped/

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Post by Guest on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 12:36 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:It's Burgess's distribution or lack of that's worrying. Also he has zero kicking game and little pace.

His attributes just don't add up for a centre, he'll be much better suited to 6 if he can get his head round the rules.


Without being rude do you understand the technical expertise required for 6?


Can't think of anyone ever who has converted to 6.

Such a technical position

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Post by Driver on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 12:56 am

Back row is such a pain , that and half backs are the only positions which change on game plan in drastic amount. 

Burguss will pick it up easier in the backs, It's all about depth and movement which he'll be fine with.

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 6:12 am

anonmattyt wrote:Allen
Is Mint and deserves a shout

Meyer on goosen http://keo.co.za/index-old.php/2012/05/meyer-goosen-can-be-worlds-best/

http://www.ruggaworld.com/2012/09/26/goosen-starts-morne-dropped/

Those articles are 2 years old! Brilliant  Laugh 

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Post by Ozzy3213 on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 7:08 am

I can't see Burgess being a top class international 12. He will bring power and a bit of offloading, but I don't see him being world class in union. My worry is that whatever happens England will shoe-horn him in at 12 as the RFU have paid good money for him and that could be to the detriment of the team as a whole.

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Guest on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 7:19 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:He said he can't play weather and questioned his game management. That's a slating for me, especially from your national manager. Not questioning doing anything of note and an awful year lol.

I posted a link when I read it.

Amazing how you can't find this link now? Is it in never never land  Whistle 

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Post by Guest on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 7:21 am

Ozzy3213 wrote:I can't see Burgess being a top class international 12.  He will bring power and a bit of offloading, but I don't see him being world class in union.  My worry is that whatever happens England will shoe-horn him in at 12 as the RFU have paid good money for him and that could be to the detriment of the team as a whole.


Agree Pete. There are so many variables that have to click for him to be successful. Can see us trying to squeeze him in and it not working. We did the same with Henry paul

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Post by Guest on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 7:23 am

A real fine mess http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9380789,00.html

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Post by Ozzy3213 on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 7:26 am

I can also see Burgess picking up a few yellow cards. His tackling technique generally just involves clattering people and he's not averse to a high swinging arm.

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Guest on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 7:29 am

Over the years the success rate for league converts is very low

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Post by Ozzy3213 on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 7:35 am

Absolutely. Back three has to be the easiest position to convert, but even there we've not had loads. I think part of the problem in this country is there is a definite divide between league and union, and kids tend to play one or the other growing up (based on location) and have little appreciation of the other code.

In Australia and New Zealand the divide between the codes is not a geographical one so kids play a bit of both growing up so if they make the code switch later in life they at least have some basic knowledge of what they are doing.

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 7:46 am

anonmattyt wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:He said he can't play weather and questioned his game management. That's a slating for me, especially from your national manager. Not questioning doing anything of note and an awful year lol.

I posted a link when I read it.

Amazing how you can't find this link now? Is it in never never land  Whistle 

I've not looked for it, I posted it when he said it.

Totallly agree Pete, really seeing nothing in Burgess as a top 12. If he can't play likie that in RL he's not suddenly going to become an all round top player in union. He's good at carrying and big hits (bordering legal).

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 9:29 am

ChequeredJersey wrote:Also, though I'll try and improve at EQ and at wing, what are our opinions on:

Mogg vs Pennell - I'd go with Pennell to start the season out but will lose rating playing Championship after a few months.
Sam Smith vs Cueto - Same story as above. Smith was looking pretty good near the end of last season.
Pennell vs Maitland - If for wing then Maitland every day adds a bit of class to your back three.
Lapandry vs Johnson - Lapandry to start with AJ as the impact bench man.
Vito at 6 vs at 8 - Vito much better at 8. Doesn't do the graft needed for 6.
Ward vs Rees - Currently Ward atm. Will have to re-evaluate when we know what way Quins are going next year.

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Fluxy on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 9:51 am

Isn't Pennell on loan to Bath for the season?

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Post by ChequeredJersey on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 12:50 pm

Thanks for the feedback guys. I thought it wasn't clear what Pennell was doing next season but he was open for a loan and frankly most of the AP teams should be happy to pick him up- Bath can play him alongside Watson at wing, he'd improve most other back 3s outright except Quins (even then he'd make a nice back up), Tigers (can move Tait maybe? Or Pennell on wing?) and Saints (also, on the wing?)

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Driver on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 4:04 pm

Adam Jones joins bristol

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 5:02 pm

Mad....down hill from there then. The championship is no place for an Int prop

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Post by Guest on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 5:19 pm

Agree there. Props need game time and intensity. Championship front rows are not great

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Post by Guest on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 5:21 pm

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9381883,00.html


Surprised no Carter in this although toomua was superb

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Post by Ozzy3213 on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 5:25 pm

Good to see Paul Willemse in that team. he's looked decent when I've seen him for the Bulls this year.

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Post by Guest on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 5:29 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:Good to see Paul Willemse in that team.  he's looked decent when I've seen him for the Bulls this year.


Good physical lump of a 4. Boks have stupid amount of locks

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Post by Guest on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 5:43 pm

Also always think hougaard looks so much better as a winger. Struggles at 9 but a strong runner and live wire on the wing.

Austin Healy was the same an average scrum half but a very good winger

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Post by Ozzy3213 on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 5:43 pm

He's a big unit for sure. SA have a ridiculous amount of locks either already good enough to play at international level or coming through nicely.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 5:49 pm

They certainly breed them big.

Falcons are in talks with an Int(ex) SH lock at the minute, possibly announced this week.

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Post by prop_lyd on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 5:52 pm

Jones' move not fully confirmed as of yet.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 5:53 pm

Talking about it on the main board. Rumours of Falcons, Saints and Sale.

I don't think we we'd need him at Falcons but could be a great signing if he got back in form.

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Fluxy on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 5:54 pm

Grant Hattingh is a massive lump as well, switches between lock and 8 for the bulls.

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by prop_lyd on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 5:56 pm

Sale could be a possibility seeing as there was talk of a big signing for them and they need a tighthead

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Guest on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 5:58 pm

prop_lyd wrote:Jones' move not fully confirmed as of yet.

Not had medical yet

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Re: Season 7 Homepage I

Post by Driver on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 6:08 pm

prop_lyd wrote:Sale could be a possibility seeing as there was talk of a big signing for them and they need a tighthead

That's where i'd go if i was him Prop.

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