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Post by KP_fan on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:42 am

Starts tomm and it seems the indisposed Prassanna the WK is a blessing in disguise.
Chandimal will keep wickets and will allow Lanka to play an extra batsman and given that the pitch is expected to assist seamers , it will help Lanka to have some extra batting cushion.

the other thing SL should and will look at is Kulasekhara...too gentle in speeds.......Lakmal was probably their first choice and unlikely  to have recovered from his hamstring strain.
They should play Dhamika prasad who bowls in excess of 140kph.....and captain Angelo should be willing to use himself a bit more as a seamer


Sri Lanka wicketkeeper Prasanna Jayawardene will be unavailable for selection for the second Test, thanks to a finger injury to his right hand, which he sustained while keeping during the first day at Lord's.

He will be replaced in the squad by batsman Kithuruwan Vithanage, with Dinesh Chandimal likely to take over the gloves at Headingley. The injury will not prevent Jayawardene from batting in the second innings of the first Tes
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Post by KP_fan on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:46 am

Eng after hailing Moeen as the next Ajmal...within one game has started diluting his role to a "part-timer".

the problem I see that they don't have a "full-timer" who is any better than this part-timer......given that Monty is not in consideration.

I expect Eng to go unchanged for the 2nd test.....but Lanka looking more balanced...... a WK who averages quite good as a batsman.....3 full time seamer each 140+ speed capable, 4th part time seamer in Angelo and a very competent specialist spinner in Herath
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Post by ShankyCricket on Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:05 am

Surely SL have to replace Thirimanne, if only for just one match? He can't play Anderson to save his backside.

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Post by KP_fan on Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:12 am

ShankyCricket wrote:Surely SL have to replace Thirimanne, if only for just one match? He can't play Anderson to save his backside.

I agree...that might be a wise thing to do
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Post by alfie on Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:25 am

Who hailed Moeen Ali as the next Ajmal ?

Perhaps one of the patients at the Institution which KP f seems sometimes to frequent...

Other than that I find myself in general agreement with the above. But I would still fancy England to have the edge at Headingley. Although weather conditions may play a big part. At least you'd expect a result unless considerable time is lost to rain/bad light. Not to mention slow over rates...
Looking forward to a good match after the exciting finish on Monday.

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Post by GSC on Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:34 am

The only link between Ali and Ajmal is Ali training with Ajmal at Worcs no?

In that case Gurney must be being hailed as the next Siddle.
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Post by KP_fan on Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:37 am

alfie wrote:Who hailed Moeen Ali as the next Ajmal ?  

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almost the entire English media
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2654314/Moeen-Ali-beard-feared-new-England-spinner-doosra-sleeve.html

one example here...making Herath look like " just another traditional SLA compared to Moeen the mystery man"

if you read throuhg the media reports preceding the first test......differently worded but similar in intent multiple articles will appear
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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:39 am

Sl should really think about ditching Thirimane, his struggles against Anderson have been painful to watch on this tour. They won't though, as he's vice-captain for some reason.

Also SL have "three full-time seamers, each 140kph capable", does that mean they're dropping Kulasekera then? As he's about as much 140kph capable as I am. Would be a mistake IMO, Headingley should suit him.

Traditionally, Headingley favours swing bowlers who pitch the ball up. Oddly, Anderson hasn't ever done much there (he averages 50 with the ball). Broad has a good record there though (averages under 25), and will be interesting to see Plunkett bowl on a pitche offering a bit more.

If there's one ground in England where spinners don't make much difference, it's here. Even the great great Shane Warne only picked up three wickets in three matches at Headingley (average of 90). England will almost certainly be unchanged, and it does make decent sense to go with 4 seamers here.

In the long term though, England have to identify their specialist spinner: Moores seemed to say in an interview that Ripley of Kent and Kerrigan of Lancashire were the two front-runners at the moment. He also didn't rule out Monty, but said it would be very difficult to select him at the moment.

Robson could do with some runs here, and of course Cook is in desperate need of a score. Moeen Ali could also do with a significant contribution, as Ben Stokes is surely looking for his spot back (especially if England look at picking a specialist spinner, something they'll surely have to do sooner rather than later).

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Post by ShankyCricket on Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:40 am

I think Prasanna Jayawardene was one of their best players in England in 2011. Would've been a better bet than Thirimanne tbh.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:42 am

KP_fan wrote:
alfie wrote:Who hailed Moeen Ali as the next Ajmal ?  

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almost the entire English media
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2654314/Moeen-Ali-beard-feared-new-England-spinner-doosra-sleeve.html

one example here...making Herath look like " just another traditional SLA compared to Moeen the mystery man"

if you read throuhg the media reports preceding the first test......differently worded but similar in intent multiple articles will appear

if your source is the dailymail I worry for you... No one hailed Moeen as the next Ajmal, the link is that they play together at Worcestershire, and that Ajmal has been helping Moeen develop his doosra (which makes sense - given that Ajmal bowls the doosra better than anyone else in world cricket).

and if you'd bothered to read the link, you'd see that Moeen doesn't even see himself as a replacement for Swann

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Post by GSC on Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:44 am

KP_fan wrote:
alfie wrote:Who hailed Moeen Ali as the next Ajmal ?  

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almost the entire English media
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2654314/Moeen-Ali-beard-feared-new-England-spinner-doosra-sleeve.html

one example here...making Herath look like " just another traditional SLA compared to Moeen the mystery man"

if you read throuhg the media reports preceding the first test......differently worded but similar in intent multiple articles will appear

"The visitors, meanwhile, will rely on orthodox slow-left armer Rangana Herath."
‘Saeed has helped me loads,’ said Moeen. ‘He’s pushed me and given me a lot of confidence because it does take a bit of time to master it. You can’t beat the training I do with him.’ 


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Post by KP_fan on Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:46 am

MfC wrote:and if you'd bothered to read the link, you'd see that Moeen doesn't even see himself as a replacement for Swann

that's typical humility in sub-continental origin people..
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Post by alfie on Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:51 am

KP_fan wrote:
alfie wrote:Who hailed Moeen Ali as the next Ajmal ?  

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almost the entire English media
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2654314/Moeen-Ali-beard-feared-new-England-spinner-doosra-sleeve.html

one example here...making Herath look like " just another traditional SLA compared to Moeen the mystery man"

if you read throuhg the media reports preceding the first test......differently worded but similar in intent multiple articles will appear

Yeah OK ... but I would respectfully point out that there is a bit of a gap between Newman's puff piece and "the entire English media". Most of the serious commentators expressed doubts that Moeen would be able to carry out the full spin bowlers role ; and although there was some interest shown in the rumoured doosra nobody really expected it - or Ali - to be a major factor in the match.
He won't be at Headingley either. But at least he offers a bit of not too filthy rest for the pace bowlers ; and perhaps some aid to Cook in his attempts to stay on the right side of the over rate sanctions.

Agree he is not likely to be a long term option as number one spinner.

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Post by guildfordbat on Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:24 pm

[quote="Mad for Chelsea"] ...

In the long term though, England have to identify their specialist spinner: Moores seemed to say in an interview that Ripley of Kent and Kerrigan of Lancashire were the two front-runners at the moment. He also didn't rule out Monty, but said it would be very difficult to select him at the moment.

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Unfortunately, Moores isn't going to get too much comfort or choice looking at how English spinners got on in their County Championship matches this week.

Borthwick: 6-0-33-0 and 9-1-53-0.
In the same game (at Durham and admittedly normally a graveyard for spinners), Kerrigan fared little better: 9-0-31-0 and 20-3-57-1.

Panesar: 2.4-0-13-1 (and that wicket was the number 11) and 12-2-62-0.

Tredwell has gone on loan for a month from Div Two Kent to Div One Sussex. He's at least got some overs under his belt and picked up a threefer but hardly the sort of figures to demand Test selection: 59-12-158-3. [This game is still going on but unlikely Tredwell will bowl again as Sussex try to bat out time.]

The lad keeping Tredwell out of the Kent side is Adam Riley. He's actually doing well for a poor Kent side in what is effectively his first full season. Picked up a fivefer this week although at some cost as Kent lost by an innings: 42-6-157-5.

A yesterday man starting to get a bit of a mention is Surrey's Batty. Like Tredwell, more nous and determination than spin. Couldn't make the Surrey side at the start of the season but now back in and taking wickets. Just the one maiden over in the first innings this week and then figures of 36-10-69-4 as Surrey walloped Derbys.

Don't think there is anyone else knocking on the door and some of those above are doing so pretty quietly!

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Post by msp83 on Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:32 pm

Hope for a good game of cricket. Chandimal coming will add to Sri Lanka's batting depth. That might in fact let them play Prasad in place of Kulasekhara, one thing going for Kula was his batting ability at 8, but with Chandimal in at 7 they can have the additional fire power with the ball. Thirimanne is a concern, he just loses it altogether at the very sight of James Anderson.
England will be hoping that the openers will also start getting some runs and the rest of the line up maintains consistency in performance. Their seamers should like the pitch that is supposed to be livelier.
Hope the weather stays good, we have a pitch that has something for bat and ball throughout the game, and hopefully all the overs will be bowled as well.

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Post by msp83 on Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:32 pm

By the way, was agasped to read Cook's nonsensical and ridiculous response to Shane Warne's criticism. Cook is turning out to be a pathetic little cri baby. His obnoxious response to the legitimate run-out of Buttler and now this. And let me not start on KP......
Alastair, get your act together, try scoring some runs, try to be a bit more proactive as skipper, criticisms will go away. and then you would have the confidence to filter out things, sort what needs to be taken seriously and what not. That is the only way, and that is the only thing that can be done.

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Post by JDizzle on Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:25 pm

Apparently England place a lot of stock in how many revolutions a spinner, finger spinners in particular, can place on the ball as to how well they'll translate to the Test game in being able to get some drift and dip as well as spin on the ball from day 1. I remember seeing a piece on TV where they said Swann and Panesar were miles clear of everywhere else and without knowing how much Kerrigan and Riley get on the ball, I can't imagine much has changed there which probably explains there decision to go with Moeen.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/10822025/England-need-to-be-quicker-in-finding-spinner-to-succeed-Graeme-Swann-the-current-crop-is-not-good-enough.html

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Post by KP_fan on Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:21 pm

Eng's best bet is to give special attention on the mental conditioning aspect to Monty.........mentor him......give him a bit extra time....
someone might ask why give him special treatment?
Because it's in the interest of the team
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Post by ShankyCricket on Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:28 am

Very overcast conditions at Leeds apparently. Might be a good toss to lose?

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Post by KP_fan on Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:37 am

Eng chose to bowl first and are unchanged....as expected.

Lanka's team composition has not been reported yet by CI
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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:37 am

England have won the toss and decided to bowl. I think that's a good decision with the conditions. Headingley will generally swing, and without a specialist spinner there's no great incentive for England to be bowling last anyway.

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Post by KP_fan on Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:39 am

and now we see they have Dhamika Prasad for Kulasekhra and Chandimal for Prasanna the WK

I am always excited to see faster bowlers come in from medium pacers.
Fast with control is better than medium pace.
and Fast doesn't automatically imply lacking control
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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:40 am

SL bring in Chandimal as expected, and they've also gone for Prasad instead of Kulasekera. I'm not so sure about that one, I reckon Kulasekera would have enjoyed Headingley conditions, whereas I've never been completely convinced by Prasad. It also leaves them with a slightly long tail (though Chandimal does strengthen that at least).

Thirimane keeps his place, so Anderson is guaranteed at least two wickets in this Test Very Happy

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Post by KP_fan on Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:40 am

Mad for Chelsea wrote:England have won the toss and decided to bowl. I think that's a good decision with the conditions. Headingley will generally swing, and without a specialist spinner there's no great incentive for England to be bowling last anyway.

they have handed the team with a pretty decent specialist spinner the opportunity to have crack at them on D4 / D5 by electing to bat last.
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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:43 am

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Mad for Chelsea wrote:England have won the toss and decided to bowl. I think that's a good decision with the conditions. Headingley will generally swing, and without a specialist spinner there's no great incentive for England to be bowling last anyway.

they have handed the team with a pretty decent specialist spinner the opportunity to have crack at them on D4 / D5 by electing to bat last.

I suspect England will be hoping to not have to chase too many (or any at all). While you can't ignore the opposition's strengths, you should play to your own first and foremost, and England's is their seam attack, so bowling first makes sense. Also, Headingley (usually) does very little for the spinners, so England shouldn't be massively worried about Herath.

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Post by KP_fan on Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:47 am

David Gower says wrote:The pitch is already getting a rep as harder and quicker, bit of live grass dusting the surface. "Headingley always does something when it is overcast," says Lord Gower on Sky... Which leads us nicely into this question, from Jamie Dow: "I don't understand Cook's decision there. Headingley pitches don't flatten out, so you don't want to bat last. And cloud cover is set to increase tomorrow and onwards. I thought bat-first was looking like a no-brainer. What's Cook up to?"
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Post by KP_fan on Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:52 am

Mad for Chelsea wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:England have won the toss and decided to bowl. I think that's a good decision with the conditions. Headingley will generally swing, and without a specialist spinner there's no great incentive for England to be bowling last anyway.

they have handed the team with a pretty decent specialist spinner the opportunity to have crack at them on D4 / D5 by electing to bat last.

I suspect England will be hoping to not have to chase too many (or any at all). While you can't ignore the opposition's strengths, you should play to your own first and foremost, and England's is their seam attack, so bowling first makes sense. Also, Headingley (usually) does very little for the spinners, so England shouldn't be massively worried about Herath.

I agree you have to play to your own strengths.
I don't know if pitch will ease out in days to come at all.
if Eng can keep the 4th inning chase to no more than 150...they would have done better than Lanka going into last inning
we shall see.....bowling friendly pitches are always exciting
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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:56 am

KP_fan wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:England have won the toss and decided to bowl. I think that's a good decision with the conditions. Headingley will generally swing, and without a specialist spinner there's no great incentive for England to be bowling last anyway.

they have handed the team with a pretty decent specialist spinner the opportunity to have crack at them on D4 / D5 by electing to bat last.

I suspect England will be hoping to not have to chase too many (or any at all). While you can't ignore the opposition's strengths, you should play to your own first and foremost, and England's is their seam attack, so bowling first makes sense. Also, Headingley (usually) does very little for the spinners, so England shouldn't be massively worried about Herath.

I agree you have to play to your own strengths.
I don't know if pitch will ease out in days to come at all.
if Eng can keep the 4th inning chase to no more than 150...they would have done better than Lanka going into last inning
we shall see.....bowling friendly pitches are always exciting

if the weather holds, we'll have a result. I'm not sure of the stats but Headingley is rarely ever a draw when it doesn't rain. I just think sticking them in on a pitch with some green and cloud cover is a good, positive, attacking move.

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Post by KP_fan on Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:01 am

here are some comments on CI......I really do no know much about headingley pitch o codnitons to have an own opinion on batting first...


Harlequin, meanwhile, thinks the psychobabble has got to England's captain: "Cook again trying to prove to his critics that he can be unpredictable?! Warne is out of the game but he still manages to get into the heads of Englishmen and make them do silly things!
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Post by msp83 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:25 am

It is said that the cloud cover, such important factor in determining the life of the track is set to increase on day 2 and 3. So has Cook got it right? Angelo Mathews said he too would have batted had he won the toss. Bit of mindgame from the Lankan skipper perhaps, and I would say Cook's decision is understandable, particularly considering seam bowling is his side's strength, and they don't have a regular spin option.
But good that Cook won the toss, otherwise he would have taken it personally and wanted someone to do something about these Lankans winning all the tosses!.

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Post by msp83 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:27 am

A few edges that haven't gone to hand, a few play and misses. The new ball is doing a bit as expected, but nothing massively alarming so far for the 2 Lankan batsmen. Would be interesting to see the 2 quicker bowlers go on this track.
James Anderson hasn't really done great here has he?

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Post by GSC on Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:27 am

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Post by msp83 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:32 am

First half-hour done, the Lankan openers are still together in the middle. SL 16 without loss.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:36 am

well turns out England should have reviewed that, tough one though, did look high and leg-side-ish on first viewing...

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Post by msp83 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:43 am

Karunaratne has survived 9 overs and has thus got a foundation, now it is time to throw it all away with some characteristic recklessness

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Post by msp83 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:44 am

Anderson into his 6th over. No Jordan or Plunkett yet......

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:44 am

England have bowled pretty well, but SL have defended solidly, not withstanding the odd fortunate moment.

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Post by msp83 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:01 pm

Jordan with a couple of real tasty ones in his first over, still no wicket though for England.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:03 pm

there it is, Anderson gets some swing and the faintest feather from Silva. Important wicket for England. Silva didn't seem to be sure he hit it, though it did sound like an edge live, and Karunaratne tells him to go.

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Post by msp83 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:05 pm

Now Anderson strikes. Silva it is. a faint edg but that'll do.

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Post by KP_fan on Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:06 pm

game even after 1 hour as Eng breakthru....had he reviewed he might have been reprieved as there was no white mark on hotspot
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Post by msp83 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:08 pm

Would Silva have survived had he reviewed? Hotspot registered nothing. DRS had a pretty decent game in the last test, had Silva reviewed that call, perhaps we could have had some drama here. Think he did edge it though.

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Post by KP_fan on Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:09 pm

msp83 wrote:Would Silva have survived had he reviewed? Hotspot registered nothing. DRS had a pretty decent game in the last test, had Silva reviewed that call, perhaps we could have had some drama here. Think he did edge it though.

it's not what we think...but what technology evidence shows.......review would have created excitment
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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:17 pm

KP_fan wrote:
msp83 wrote:Would Silva have survived had he reviewed? Hotspot registered nothing. DRS had a pretty decent game in the last test, had Silva reviewed that call, perhaps we could have had some drama here. Think he did edge it though.

it's not what we think...but what technology evidence shows.......review would have created excitment

snicko showed a pretty clear edge, you can also see the bat move a little from the front on replay.

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Post by KP_fan on Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:25 pm

I believe snicko has been included as a part of the DRS package...if so....then snicko did show a clear edge...and there was evidence indeed
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:26 pm

I personally believe unless its a ridiculously obvious bowl first day, you should always bat first if you win the toss, and as such am disappointed England are not
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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:32 pm

Plunkett strikes in his first over. A bit of a loose drive from Karunaratne if truth be told who'll be disappointed with that, has his stumps re-arranged.

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Post by msp83 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:32 pm

Plunkett on, finally!.

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Post by KP_fan on Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:33 pm

unfortunate for Lanka their openers did the hard work but didnpt carry on.
This is those sort of pitches where you have to be more positive, and play your strokes and make it count while you last.......
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Post by GSC on Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:34 pm

KerPlunk.

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