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Post by KP_fan on Thu 19 Jun 2014, 10:42 am

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Starts tomm and it seems the indisposed Prassanna the WK is a blessing in disguise.
Chandimal will keep wickets and will allow Lanka to play an extra batsman and given that the pitch is expected to assist seamers , it will help Lanka to have some extra batting cushion.

the other thing SL should and will look at is Kulasekhara...too gentle in speeds.......Lakmal was probably their first choice and unlikely  to have recovered from his hamstring strain.
They should play Dhamika prasad who bowls in excess of 140kph.....and captain Angelo should be willing to use himself a bit more as a seamer


Sri Lanka wicketkeeper Prasanna Jayawardene will be unavailable for selection for the second Test, thanks to a finger injury to his right hand, which he sustained while keeping during the first day at Lord's.

He will be replaced in the squad by batsman Kithuruwan Vithanage, with Dinesh Chandimal likely to take over the gloves at Headingley. The injury will not prevent Jayawardene from batting in the second innings of the first Tes
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:06 pm

Oh my word a howler from Billy bowden
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Post by msp83 on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:07 pm

Another 35 overs to be bowled today. Overrate continues to be poor from both sides.

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:10 pm

alfie wrote:And a little unfair to put it all on Cook .  He has had a poor day (after having a very good one on day one , remember ).  But he hasn't been bowling , generally not very well , or dropping catches.

this is precisely the line of argument ( flawed) that might save Cook...because of the intangibility of the captain's inefficiency and availability of benefit of doubt reasons ( excuses)
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Post by alfie on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:16 pm

Oh leave off KPF ...you have rubbished Cook at every opportunity as long as I can remember.
I am not saying that he hasn't done a poor job today , or that he does not deserve censure - his tactics against Matthews / Herath after three quick wickets were dreadful (though obviously agreed with by Moores ). But to argue that all England's problems are due to Cooks captaincy is simplistic , even for you.

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Post by liverbnz on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:17 pm

I guess at least Yorkshire CCC will be happy with there being a good if not full days play tomorrow - they'd be the only ones in England though.

 In saying that the poor turnouts may well out an end to Test cricket at Leeds. 1/3 full on a Sunday, near empty today. Tomorrow would need to improve.

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Post by msp83 on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:23 pm

Mathews gone after playing a masterful captain's hand. He made a massively significant 160 that has given his side a realistic chance of winning this one. Take a bow, Angelo!!.

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Post by chrisss on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:26 pm

GSC wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
GSC wrote:Probably Broad given hes T20 captain.

good choice  thumbsup 
Other only reasonable choices would be Bell, Prior or Anderson. Prior got dropped in Australia, neither Bell or Anderson really strike me as captain material.

Broad would be a risky gamble but England need shaking up.

Bell's done really well as captain for Warwickshire though- and scored a century as captain to help Warwickshire win the 2010 Clydesdale Bank 40 final. And did Cook really look like captaincy material before he was appointed?

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Post by alfie on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:29 pm

350 to get in 120 overs. Possible . But on recent form you wouldn't fancy betting on it.

Good luck chaps ...

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Post by liverbnz on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:31 pm

350 it is then. Plenty of time to knock the runs off. Sri Lanka strong favourites for me though.

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Post by msp83 on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:32 pm

So England need 350 to win the test and series!. A very difficult ask really.
What do you say, Kevin Pietersen?

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Post by GSC on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:32 pm

Real problem for me is the lack of leadership. England should've put Sri Lanka out the game and now find themselves needing a massive effort to save it.
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Post by ShankyCricket on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:33 pm

Clearly Stuart Binny is as good a batsman as Angelo Mathews.

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Post by GSC on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:34 pm

That said, I can't be the only one fed up of the endless KP references. Like a broken record at times.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:35 pm

We haven't chased a score this big since 1929, bat for the draw I say...
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Post by GSC on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:37 pm

Cook badly needs to get to end of play.
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Post by msp83 on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:38 pm

alfie wrote:350 to get in 120 overs.  Possible .   But on recent form you wouldn't fancy betting on it.

Good luck chaps ...
Eranga's asault in the end let Lanka cross the 350 barrier. Chasing 325 is rather diferent to 350. And don't count on all the 120 overs, it will be whatever Lanka bowls today and 90 tomorrow, count at least 6 gone.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:40 pm

A jolly good chase this, then.

Can Cook lead from the front, and lead his country to a heroic victory, whilst simultaneously saving his captaincy, in the bucolic setting of England's green and pleasant land?

Be positive England, no poking and prodding.

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:46 pm

ShankyCricket wrote:Clearly Stuart Binny is as good a batsman as Angelo Mathews.

maybe better...maybe less....is my view.
we will not figure out until he has played 40 tests like Mathews...or at least 5 to 10.
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Post by guildfordbat on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:46 pm

Very difficult for England to win now. Feel 350 is a step too far. Got to go at almost the rate of a run every other ball. That hardly sounds anything to those brought up in the t20 era but throughout up to 120 overs in Test conditions it'll be extremely challenging. Also a very long time to bat out a draw.

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Post by msp83 on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:46 pm

Herath is the key for Sri Lanka. But they would seriously appreciate it if the seamers could provide a strike or 2 with the new ball. Cook is a very good player of the turning ball. He doesn't hit the spinner out of the park, but he can very well survive and keep the runs coming.

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Post by ShankyCricket on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:50 pm

As funny as it sounds, I think Cook is England's best bet here. His second innings record is better than in the first innings. And to chase 350, you need someone to play a big innings. Has to be an experienced player standing up. And Cook has produced his best cricket when everyone has written him off.

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Post by guildfordbat on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 4:52 pm

Olly wrote:We haven't chased a score this big since 1929, bat for the draw I say...

Olly - trouble is though that as England get further behind the rate, Sri Lanka will be able to put more men round the bat and go for the jugular. Difficult balance required - again! - but we need to keep things ticking over so it remains in Sri Lanka's mind that they could still lose.

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 5:23 pm

Well SL took control here didn't they.

Shame but Eng really don't have the batting quality they do.  If they did they'd have taken control of this not squandered it.

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Post by ShankyCricket on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 5:35 pm

Very good start for England.

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Post by GSC on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 5:45 pm

Going well
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Post by Gerry SA on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 5:49 pm

I always said the limited Alastair Cook would struggle to main an average of 45 in Test cricket.

And I've been proven correct.

Cook will be lucky to end up averaging 42/43. Technically rubbish.

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 5:49 pm

oh dear.  they really are as bad as the ashes suggested.


bit of a slump for English game this.  worryingly these slumps tend to last decades.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 6:05 pm

Only England could be ahead of sri Lanka's first innings score with eight wickets in hand and still go on to lose the game comfortably
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Post by Gerry SA on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 6:15 pm

Prasad bowling like a champion. Cleans up ian Bell for 8.

52/4.

Bell never scores tough runs. Mental midget.

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 6:33 pm

England had two successful reviews within 2 overs.  Doesn't say a lot for umpiring quality.

Now Plunkett goes attempting something silly.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 6:41 pm

Well played England - all set to win by tomorrow teatime!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 6:42 pm

Clearly a clever ploy to allow Moeen to score the double hundred to take us to victory Whistle
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Post by msp83 on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 6:51 pm

Missed the last hour and a half of play, and what a time that has been for Sri Lanka. When I left the game, Alastair Cook and Sam Robson had survived the early overs from Eranga and Pradeep. Herath was the expected destroyer-in-chief, but it was Dhamika Prasad who did the major damage, packing off England's top 4 for nothing much.

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Post by guildfordbat on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 6:51 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
liverbnz wrote:Stating the obvious, but England need quick qickets this morning. I really don't fancy their fragile and somewhat inexperienced batting line-up to chase down 200+.

Hi Liver - I noticed Trebs also used the word ''fragile'' in his post yesterday. Forgive the pedantry on my part but I'm not convinced it's ''fragile'', apart from probably Cook at the moment. ''Somewhat inexperienced'' - generally, yes but Robson and Ballance, in particular, should be strengthened by their recent Test centuries. As for Jordan, ''the kid can bat'' - praise from no less than Sir Geoffrey himself. For some experience, look no further than Bell and Prior.

I therefore don't think we'll fold straightaway if we come under pressure when batting. That said, it won't be easy if we have to get 250+ (and bl**dy difficult if we're looking at over 300), especially if a large part of our run scoring has to be done done on a day 5 track. As well as getting runs today (obviously), it'll also help Sri Lanka to use up time at the crease so as to push our final innings more into the last day.

Anyone seen my hat and coat?  Rolling Eyes 

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Post by ShankyCricket on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 6:54 pm

This is just gonna make India's inevitable hammering in England look all the more embarassing.

Brilliant from Sri Lanka. Hope the weather gods don't intervene tomorrow.

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 6:56 pm

and to think botham said this lot would get 350 ahead and win easily.

This is a shambles and seriously lacking at the moment.  SL have some world classing batting and England just seem bereft of it at the moment. Whether that be form or talent.

Guildford.. Sorry. Not what I wanted to see but what I feared after the long run of poor displays.

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Post by Gregers on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 7:00 pm

So...

We go from being in an almost guaranteed position to win to being in a guaranteed position to lose... in 1 day! Clueless from Cook

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 7:02 pm

KP_fan wrote:

the other thing SL should and will look at is Kulasekhara...too gentle in speeds.......Lakmal was probably their first choice and unlikely  to have recovered from his hamstring strain.
They should play Dhamika prasad who bowls in excess of 140kph.....and captain Angelo should be willing to use himself a bit more as a seamer



Lankans listened to my suggestions in bold and underlined......and look how they reaped the rewards Smile
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Post by KP_fan on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 7:07 pm

alfie wrote:Oh leave off KPF ...you have rubbished Cook at every opportunity as long as I can remember.  
I am not saying that he hasn't done a poor job today , or that he does not deserve censure - his tactics against Matthews / Herath after three quick wickets were dreadful (though obviously agreed with by Moores ).  But to argue that all England's problems are due to Cooks captaincy is simplistic , even for you.

for a big part they were because of flower...or actually for ECB's inability to get rid of Flower timely.

Now they have failed to get rid of Cook timely......and look at the FTBs who have never won a test series in Eng and never a test in Aus have rolled Cook's team over in a series win that Eng should have won 2-0

it's a classic example of the better team losing because of lack of leadership  Shocked


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Post by ShankyCricket on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 7:15 pm

Composite India-Sri Lanka XI

Silva
Pujara
Sangakkara
Kohli
Rahane
Mathews
Chandimal (wk)
Bhuvi
Herath
Eranga
Shami

6 Sri Lankans and 5 Indians.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 7:17 pm

Ian Bell put up to face the media

Not cook, not Moores, not even the vice captain but Ian Bell.

Show some balls for gods sake and front up
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Post by GSC on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 7:19 pm

I think the time has come for Cook to step down.

He seems mentally scarred from the Ashes loss, and his batting suffers as a result. I also fear he cannot regain his form with the bat while simultaneously batting these demons.
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Post by KP_fan on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 7:23 pm

Olly wrote:Ian Bell put up to face the media

Not cook, not Moores, not even the vice captain but Ian Bell.

Show some balls for gods sake and front up

to me shows who they have in mind as the successor Smile

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Post by ShankyCricket on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 7:27 pm

Olly wrote:Ian Bell put up to face the media

Not cook, not Moores, not even the vice captain but Ian Bell.

Show some balls for gods sake and front up
Isn't Bell the vice captain?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 7:29 pm

GSC wrote:I think the time has come for Cook to step down.

He seems mentally scarred from the Ashes loss, and his batting suffers as a result. I also fear he cannot regain his form with the bat while simultaneously batting these demons.
For me its pretty obvious the captaincy is playing with his form, he has technical issues and he simply won't get the time to iron those out being captain

And England at this moment in time need Alastair cook the batsman back, the opener who would score big runs, more than Alastair Cook the captain who is let's face it not a natural leader, limited tactically and just an average at best captain

For its in the best interests of Cook and England for him to be removed of the captaincy, or to resign.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 7:29 pm

ShankyCricket wrote:
Olly wrote:Ian Bell put up to face the media

Not cook, not Moores, not even the vice captain but Ian Bell.

Show some balls for gods sake and front up
Isn't Bell the vice captain?
I thought it was Anderson?
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Post by msp83 on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 7:31 pm

ShankyCricket wrote:
Olly wrote:Ian Bell put up to face the media

Not cook, not Moores, not even the vice captain but Ian Bell.

Show some balls for gods sake and front up
Isn't Bell the vice captain?
Yeah, isn't he?

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Post by msp83 on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 7:43 pm

In all this castigation of Alastair Cook and his side, lets not forget the worth of Angelo Mathews's innings. An absolutely brilliant, outstanding effort from the Sri Lankan captain that has brought his side back into the game and propelled it towards being the favorite. This is different to Botham's historic effort in this very ground, but Mathews' has played a historic hand for his side here nevertheless, hopefully he gets the away series win as the price for such a fabulous effort.

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Post by ShankyCricket on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 7:44 pm

msp83 wrote:In all this castigation of Alastair Cook and his side, lets not forget the worth of Angelo Mathews's innings. An absolutely brilliant, outstanding effort from the Sri Lankan captain that has brought his side back into the game and propelled it towards being the favorite. This is different to Botham's historic effort in this very ground, but Mathews' has played a historic hand for his side here nevertheless, hopefully he gets the away series win as the price for such a fabulous effort.
But Binny is better!

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 7:54 pm

and to add insult to injury to come his newas on the guy who was left out for not being able to bowl because of fitness

Ben Stokes takes a career-best 7-67 to rip through the Sussex batting line-up and hand Durham control on day two.
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