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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 13 Jul 2014, 7:40 pm

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Seeming as we have such a short turnaround thought I'd stick up a thread

England have added Simon Kerrigan to the squad interestingly. I'd imagine he must be in serious contention, or else what's the point of adding another body?
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Post by jimbohammers on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:24 am

Why is Moeen Ali just blocking every ball?  Headscratch 

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Post by Scrumpy on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:26 am

Waiting for the bad ball?
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Post by jimbohammers on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:28 am

There has been a lot of bad balls. I know he can't really get out, but we need to score runs too

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Post by ChequeredJersey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:30 am

We'll either win or lose, no way in hell this is a draw now, he can block plenty of balls and still get enough runs, far more important that he doesn't get out
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Post by GSC on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:38 am

Alternatively drop Prior and bring in a Read type in the short term.
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Post by Scrumpy on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:41 am

Bring in Read to Captain and keep wicket for the next year until Buttler is ready and a new Captain can be identified.

Let Cook regain some form without the pressure of Captaincy.
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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:47 am

The new capo will be root . so we only need one short term and that can be broad.

Butler needs to come in for prior. Why bring read. There is no long term benefit.

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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:55 am

mystiroakey wrote:The new capo will be root . so we only need one short term and that can be broad.

Butler needs to come in for prior. Why bring read. There is no long term benefit.

Broad is either struggling with form or is carry a serious injury. Can't see the benefit of lumping him with the captaincy.

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Post by Scrumpy on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:56 am

mystiroakey wrote:The new capo will be root . so we only need one short term and that can be broad.

Butler needs to come in for prior. Why bring read. There is no long term benefit.

We need someone to hit the ground running and who won't feel the pressure of a failing team.

We shouldn't always be looking for long term benefit, yes its important (very important) but here and now is also what matters IMHO.
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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:59 am

We have allready brought in compton and carberry for the short term. It didnt work and only annoyed the two players, as in fairness they didnt do bad-= but we still didnt win any tests and were only behind on our progress to find the right team






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Post by Scrumpy on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:05 pm

Carberry did ok as did Compton but they didn't 'fit in' with the team!

jobs for the boys and all that, some of the senior players have too much say put that together with a weak Captain and you will always have these problems what ever level of cricket you play at.
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Post by Biltong on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:20 pm

Is England batting for the draw?
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Post by ChequeredJersey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:23 pm

Biltong wrote:Is England batting for the draw?

Nah stay in and then increase the rate. These two are our last batsmen capable of defence...
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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:27 pm

Seems just smart sensible batting to me.

No worries about time . the chase is small . wickets are key though.

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Post by ChequeredJersey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:31 pm

When Broad, Prior etc get their turn they'll either hit high rate or get out
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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:35 pm

Exactly. Plan would be to get 90 short then you back them or the rest to up the rate and win. If India get a couple of wickets quick England are in trouble.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:41 pm

Got tantalizingly close and agonisingly short written all over this

But Moeen is the man
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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:44 pm

Root is the man. Ali is also very good. But Root is the Man Smile

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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:50 pm

Took the 7/2 on root getting his 50 last night Wink

Well played joe. Thanks Wink

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Post by alfie on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:51 pm

Good over for Root ...three fours taking him to 50  clap 

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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 1:01 pm

Great wicket for India. But the right man out for England's POV.

Not too bad a session at all.

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Post by alfie on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 1:01 pm

By the way I like Root , but I'd sooner not burden him with the captaincy - certainly not yet.
Yes I know Smith got it young for SA , etc etc ...but captaining England is different.
Shouldn't be , of course ; but with the home media - and fans , it must be said : no one eats their own like the English . Would Cook be struggling as much as he is if he hadn't been copping it from the armchair experts almost from the day he took over the job ? Forget what happened in Australia : they were already giving him grief while the team was still winning back against NZ a year or so ago...
Criticism is fair enough : but a lot of what the English press goes with has a nasty edge.

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Post by alfie on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 1:02 pm

Damn and blast ! Moeen gone last ball before lunch...

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Post by Gerry SA on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 1:02 pm

Fantastic over by Ishant prior to lunch.

Pins Root in the chest

Then gets Ali caught at short leg.

Mitchell Johnson will be smiling ahead of next summer.

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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 1:05 pm

India haven't got root out yet( legitimately)

And I don't expect them to today either..

Root to score 800 this series.

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Post by alfie on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 1:05 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Great wicket for India. But the right man out for England's POV.

Not too bad a session at all.

Yes I guess better than losing Root. But Moeen looks so calm at the crease ...would have loved another hour of him.

Still think this is India's to lose . But if Prior or Stokes could play an innings now...

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Post by msp83 on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 1:07 pm

So Moeen Ali won't be doing it, has to be Prior/Stokes/Broad to partner Root as India are set to undermine 4 days of good work.
England bat deep, they have plenty of time left in the match, and are only 146 away. Jadeja and the parttimers couldn't price out a wicket in the entire session. Root is very well set. The new ball and Kumar might be India's last hope, it should be available in another 4 overs.

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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 1:07 pm

alfie wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Great wicket for India. But the right man out for England's POV.

Not too bad a session at all.

Yes I guess better than losing Root.  But Moeen looks so calm at the crease ...would have loved another hour of him.

Still think this is India's to lose .  But if Prior or Stokes could play an innings now...

More about root for me. And take most of the deliveiers we will be fine.

Plunks, broad and Anderson are in better nick than the two you mention . But they do owe England some runs.

I am looking at an England win unless India get root out soon.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 1:14 pm

Ah Moeen noooooooooo
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Post by Duty281 on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 1:38 pm

Just got home and, despite fearing a horrific collapse, England are still in there scrapping. It would have been a perfect session but for Moeen's dismissal.

So 146 to get with five wickets remaining. India still clear favourites, but England do bat deep, and if Root sticks around I suppose anything is possible. This would be a nice time for Prior to rediscover his touch as well!

If England can muster a session of at least fifty-five runs with only one wicket lost, or less, they might start fancying it. I said yesterday they had a chance if Ali and Root can take them past halfway; well they've done that, and England do have a chance.

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Post by alfie on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 1:45 pm

So ten off the first over after lunch...this short stuff is a two-edged sword.

But I think England already know that  Smile 

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 1:46 pm

Ten off the first over of the afternoon. What a jolly wheeze this is!

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 1:59 pm

god we really are back to the 90's no leadership, shambolic coaching and players giving the fans hope then dashing it with inept play.

this team are going to be poor for a long time.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:00 pm

Strauss called it correctly, and Prior just got greedy.

Please bat England, not reckless attack.

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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:07 pm

Last time we see Prior bat for England in a Test Match?

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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:08 pm

Yep I knew not expect off them 2.

Prior and bell have to go next game win or lose.


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Post by alfie on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:09 pm

So Prior gone ...and Stokes just about buries the theory that he is a genuine all rounder ...
How he got that hundred in Perth I'll never know.

And I saw it  Smile 

Game over ?

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:09 pm

That is just terrible by Ben Stokes. So very amateur.

I feel for Joe Root who's doing his best.

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Post by alfie on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:10 pm

Yes. Stokes bowled well. But I'd drop him for that shot.

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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:10 pm

alfie wrote:So Prior gone ...and Stokes just about buries the theory that he is a genuine all rounder ...
How he got that hundred in Perth I'll never know.

And I saw it  Smile 

Game over ?

No it's not game over. These last 3 are in better knick as I said.. Key wicket still is root.

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:11 pm

where do they go from here? do they even have the options coming through to just throw it out and start with a new team as Eng did in rugby?

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Post by GSC on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:11 pm

Pencil in Jordan for Stokes' spot.
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Post by GSC on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:13 pm

Completely brain dead.
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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:13 pm

Game over

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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:13 pm

GSC wrote:Pencil in Jordan for Stokes' spot.

Stokes is averaging 1.8 from the his last TEN international innings.

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Post by jimbohammers on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:14 pm

Brainless batting.

Cook has to go. Give Root the captaincy. Whole team needs a shake up

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:14 pm

That's a wicket borne of frustration; England have rather gifted this game to India when all is said and done, and let them off in key situations...rather similar to the last Ashes series.

Plunkers and Broad may as well just swing the bat now!

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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:14 pm

No real fan of KP but can you imagine grief he would be getting had he got out the way Prior and Stokes did, considering the state of the game and them starting their innings?

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Post by mystiroakey on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:15 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:where do they go from here? do they even have the options coming through to just throw it out and start with a new team as Eng did in rugby?

Yes because the young ones are doing fine.

Buttler, root, Ali, ballance are showing the others up every time they play.

If we can't rely on bell, prior and cook why have them

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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:16 pm

Another collapse of epic proportions. 173-4 to 201-8!

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