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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Thu 24 Jul 2014, 10:27 pm

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It has been 13 years since the war on terror began so the question I want to ask is this: Has the war on terror made the world (most notably western countries) a safer place?


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Post by Derbymanc on Sun 03 Aug 2014, 2:38 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14665953

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/911-conspiracies-debunked/#axzz39KsuN0am

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

oh and it's spelt charade not chirade Wink

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Post by kingraf on Sun 03 Aug 2014, 2:41 pm

One of my bigger issues with 9/11 has been the way the buildings collapsed. Just about folded, from heat... Quite remarkable given the extended fireproofing on those buildings. Anyway, forgetting 9/11 conspiracies for a minute, and going back to the OP, well has the world become a better, safer place? Honestly I don't know, at home, I don't think there's been a massive difference... but when I go into Africa, as is my want, I think the changes post 9/11 are massive. Just seems like every second country is fighting a terrorist cell. It's atrocious. Saw this on the Daily Mail today, thought it quite relevant.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2714390/Dark-shadow-Great-War-Tomorrow-marks-100-years-Europe-plunged-war-end-wars-But-brilliant-analysis-argues-living-appalling-legacy-Ukraine-Gaza.html

Maybe it's been a ticking time bomb anyway, and even without 9/11 there would eventually have come an occasion which shook the very foundations of this world?
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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Sun 03 Aug 2014, 2:41 pm

Derbymanc wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14665953

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/911-conspiracies-debunked/#axzz39KsuN0am

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

oh and it's spelt charade not chirade Wink

Read all that before. Will ignore debunking sites but the rest offer one version opposed to another. BOTH FEASABLE.

you believe what you want.

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Post by Derbymanc on Sun 03 Aug 2014, 2:42 pm

Hahahahaha see told you Duty  thumbsup 

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Post by Derbymanc on Sun 03 Aug 2014, 2:43 pm

I threw a couple of extra articles in their. One of them by an ex 9/11 conspiracy theorist that now says he was wrong.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 03 Aug 2014, 2:44 pm

Oh well, Derby, just leave OneTwo in his dream world.

He's happier there.

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Post by Derbymanc on Sun 03 Aug 2014, 2:48 pm

Very true Duty, although Conspiracy theories/theorists fascinate me. How far do you have to push something until you finally admit your wrong (or probably wrong.)

Why do they all get so angry when someone won't see the world they see it?
If they put the same effort into doing some good rather than trying to convince everyone else they're wrong they could do some really positive things.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Sun 03 Aug 2014, 2:52 pm

I could post a hundred articles opposing your views but whats the point.

I'm not trying to convince you I just have my own opinion based on the nature of some administrations in the past and what they have done.

I questioned the reasons for the war in Iraq and called it out as lies from the start when we was bombared with lie after lie in the media and guess what I was right history has proven this. Multiple thousands of people killed off the back of a lie but this is a trivial matter for you. You seem to not be bothered with this fact, it does not disturb you one bit.

So good luck to you.

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Post by Derbymanc on Sun 03 Aug 2014, 2:56 pm

Post me 1 by an experienced structural expert and i'll look at it.

Stop throwing around the phrase that people don't care, it makes you look like a nutjob that can't accept people don't agree with you

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 03 Aug 2014, 3:00 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Very true Duty, although Conspiracy theories/theorists fascinate me. How far do you have to push something until you finally admit your wrong (or probably wrong.)

Why do they all get so angry when someone won't see the world they see it?
If they put the same effort into doing some good rather than trying to convince everyone else they're wrong they could do some really positive things.

Perhaps OneTwo could turn his mind to philosophy? Several open-ended questions there that I'm sure he would enjoy!

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Sun 03 Aug 2014, 3:02 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Very true Duty, although Conspiracy theories/theorists fascinate me. How far do you have to push something until you finally admit your wrong (or probably wrong.)

Why do they all get so angry when someone won't see the world they see it?
If they put the same effort into doing some good rather than trying to convince everyone else they're wrong they could do some really positive things.

Perhaps OneTwo could turn his mind to philosophy? Several open-ended questions there that I'm sure he would enjoy!

I,m not a nutjob Duty I did not believe when people were saying that AIDS came from gays so I don't believe everything.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 03 Aug 2014, 10:59 pm

Of course you're not a nutjob; you're just vainly arguing in the face of some overwhelming evidence and logical reason without offering much in return.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 9:16 am

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
Rowley wrote:Onetwo, am going home soon, but will check in later, in the meantime put together some evidence that you think points to government involvement. Convince me, am open to being turned round on this issue.

All you need is an open mind.


Isn't that the definition of 'gullable'?

And also points to, if anything, a lack of intelligence as you're simply asking questions without identifying answers or providing reasoning.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 9:19 am

Derbymanc wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
Rowley wrote:What is interesting about Project MKUltra is it was apparently ended in 1973, and the first reports about it appeared in 1974. This does somewhat come back to the point many of us have made on here about how inefficient governments are at covering up their mistakes. Does make you wonder why they have bucked the trend of inefficiency for 9/11.

but they have not bucked anything. They have just flat out IGNORED and RUBBISHED attemps by academics, scientists, engineers and family members of the dead by hiding behind a veil of fear and patriotism.

Many 9-11 truth seekers are ready to take the matter to a court of law but the government won't allow it.

why?

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I could go on, if fact I think I will
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHbWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Read into a lot of the so called engineers, just because I design a house on minecraft, doesn't mean I'm an engineer
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I've got one last question before I'm out, do either of onetwo or Raf stick with the side of the Sandy Hook Conspiracy?

I attended lectures by one of the world's leading building pathologists and he discredited much of these 'engineers' and their theories as bunkum.

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Post by Guest on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:54 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
Rowley wrote:What is interesting about Project MKUltra is it was apparently ended in 1973, and the first reports about it appeared in 1974. This does somewhat come back to the point many of us have made on here about how inefficient governments are at covering up their mistakes. Does make you wonder why they have bucked the trend of inefficiency for 9/11.

but they have not bucked anything. They have just flat out IGNORED and RUBBISHED attemps by academics, scientists, engineers and family members of the dead by hiding behind a veil of fear and patriotism.

Many 9-11 truth seekers are ready to take the matter to a court of law but the government won't allow it.

why?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAWHAHAHWHAHAHAHAHAHAHWHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHWHAHHAHAHAHHWHAHAHAHWHAHHHAHAHAHAH
I could go on, if fact I think I will
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHbWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Read into a lot of the so called engineers, just because I design a house on minecraft, doesn't mean I'm an engineer
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I've got one last question before I'm out, do either of onetwo or Raf stick with the side of the Sandy Hook Conspiracy?

I attended lectures by one of the world's leading building pathologists and he discredited much of these 'engineers' and their theories as bunkum.
I once attended a lecture and the chief speaker eloquently explained just how the government did in fact mastermind the whole thing.

When I say "attended a lecture", I mean "went to the zoo"
When I say "chief speaker" I mean "monkey in a cage"
When I say "eloquently explained just how the government did in fact mastermind the whole thing" I mean "threw his own sh!t around"

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Post by Derbymanc on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 11:25 am

Well they do say that if you throw enough sh!t some of it sticks.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 8:54 pm

Duty281 wrote:Of course you're not a nutjob; you're just vainly arguing in the face of some overwhelming evidence and logical reason without offering much in return.

Sounds like you, one minute you argue the BNP are left-wing and the next you come out with this;

Duty281 wrote: They are certainly right-wing, yes, but not far-right like the BNP, and to lump them in the same category is a trifle erroneous.


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Post by Duty281 on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 8:58 pm

I do apologise if I've upset your party of choice, C_S, do forgive me.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 9:06 pm

Duty281 wrote:I do apologise if I've upset your party of choice, C_S, do forgive me.

I think it highlights how you change your opinion depending on the debate. You should vote Lib dem.

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Post by Derbymanc on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 9:08 pm

Duty just be happy with the fact you can have a debate, more than some can say Wink

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 9:09 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:I could post a hundred articles opposing your views but whats the point.

I'm not trying to convince you I just have my own opinion based on the nature of some administrations in the past and what they have done.

I questioned the reasons for the war in Iraq and called it out as lies from the start when we was bombared with lie after lie in the media and guess what I was right history has proven this. Multiple thousands of people killed off the back of a lie but this is a trivial matter for you. You seem to not be bothered with this fact, it does not disturb you one bit.

So good luck to you.

It is funny how the reasons for going to war in Iraq in 03 was because they had WMD and could launch an attack against the UK in like 30 mins and then when no WMD's were ever found the reason changed to removing Saddam Hussein who was a dictator and giving democracy to the people of Iraq.

Iraq was a complete failure but at least it highlighted to the British people that we don't need to interfere in foreign countries issues (we should kee our noses out) and the British people put pressure on the government not to invade Syria or take military action against Syria which I have no doubt would have turned into a very messy job where countless lives would have been lost.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 9:13 pm

Yes well I've never said the BNP were left-wing, but I do know you struggle with reading comprehension, so its perfectly understandable.

I said they had some left-wing policies - which is correct - but their proper designation would still be far-right; a designation that would differ from UKIP, hence my original point.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 9:18 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Duty just be happy with the fact you can have a debate, more than some can say Wink

Chin, chin!  mug 

Wonder how long before C_S becomes obsessed with me again?

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 9:27 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Duty just be happy with the fact you can have a debate, more than some can say Wink

Chin, chin!  mug 

Wonder how long before C_S becomes obsessed with me again?

Obsessed with you or obsessed with the ficticious profile you claim is you?

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 9:28 pm

Duty281 wrote:Yes well I've never said the BNP were left-wing, .

Yes you did treacle

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Post by Derbymanc on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 9:35 pm

Think it's already started duty, lucky you  Wink 

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 9:54 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Think it's already started duty, lucky you  Wink 

Yay! Yahoo

And I'm worried how he's worked out this profile of mine is fictitious - how did he know my real name isn't Duty281?! Shocked

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:11 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Think it's already started duty, lucky you  Wink

Yay! Yahoo

And I'm worried

You should be worried, anyone who feels the need to create a false persona that they are 17 and a homosexual on an internet forum has a lot to worry about.

In fact anyone who pretends that they are a girl on an internet forum has a lot to worry about which is something you did as evidenced by Tophat not knowing what gender you were.


TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

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Post by Derbymanc on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:14 pm

I hate to prod the poop but isn't Duty 18?

Hasn't it been proven by one of the mods (who went through the thread in question) and your statement that Duty said he was a girl was proven to be false?

At the end of the day who cares anyway unless your trying to get into his pants?

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:16 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Think it's already started duty, lucky you  Wink

Yay! Yahoo

And I'm worried

You should be worried, anyone who feels the need to create a false persona that they are 17 and a homosexual on an internet forum has a lot to worry about.

In fact anyone who pretends that they are a girl on an internet forum has a lot to worry about which is something you did as evidenced by Tophat not knowing what gender you were.


TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

I'm 18, not 17. And when I were 15 when I first came to this place.

Do keep up, Dorothy! Laugh

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:23 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Think it's already started duty, lucky you  Wink

Yay! Yahoo

And I'm worried

You should be worried, anyone who feels the need to create a false persona that they are 17 and a homosexual on an internet forum has a lot to worry about.

In fact anyone who pretends that they are a girl on an internet forum has a lot to worry about which is something you did as evidenced by Tophat not knowing what gender you were.


TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

I'm 18, not 17. And when I were 15 when I first came to this place.

Do keep up, Dorothy! Laugh

it is one thing telling a lie and getting other people to believe it but it is another thing and a rather worrying thing when you tell a lie and you start to believe your own lies.

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Post by Derbymanc on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:27 pm

'It must be love, loooove, love dun dunnnnnn'

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:29 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Think it's already started duty, lucky you  Wink

Yay! Yahoo

And I'm worried

You should be worried, anyone who feels the need to create a false persona that they are 17 and a homosexual on an internet forum has a lot to worry about.

In fact anyone who pretends that they are a girl on an internet forum has a lot to worry about which is something you did as evidenced by Tophat not knowing what gender you were.


TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

I'm 18, not 17. And when I were 15 when I first came to this place.

Do keep up, Dorothy! Laugh

it is one thing telling a lie and getting other people to believe it but it is another thing and a rather worrying thing when you tell a lie and you start to believe your own lies.

Oh I see, that's taken from your vast personal experience on the matter of lying.  thumbsup 

I'll be sure to keep your experiences in mind if I found myself in the same situation (unlikely though!).

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:30 pm

Derbymanc wrote:'It must be love, loooove, love dun dunnnnnn'

And then I go and spoil it all by saying something stupid...Laugh

He's trying to bridge the age gap anyway he can!

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:31 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Think it's already started duty, lucky you  Wink

Yay! Yahoo

And I'm worried

You should be worried, anyone who feels the need to create a false persona that they are 17 and a homosexual on an internet forum has a lot to worry about.

In fact anyone who pretends that they are a girl on an internet forum has a lot to worry about which is something you did as evidenced by Tophat not knowing what gender you were.


TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

I'm 18, not 17. And when I were 15 when I first came to this place.

Do keep up, Dorothy! Laugh

it is one thing telling a lie and getting other people to believe it but it is another thing and a rather worrying thing when you tell a lie and you start to believe your own lies.

Oh I see, that's taken from your vast personal experience on the matter of lying.  thumbsup 

I'll be sure to keep your experiences in mind if I found myself in the same situation (unlikely though!).

You already lied about your gender and your age and your sexuality haha

Just look above for the tohat quote regarding your gender that you casually ignored  Laugh 

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:32 pm


TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

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Post by Derbymanc on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:33 pm

Wasn't that a sarcastic reply when you brought it up again?

You need to post the rest of it so we can see

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:36 pm

Are you a bit slow today, C_S?

I brought that quote to your attention.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:38 pm

Duty281 wrote:Are you a bit slow today, C_S?

I brought that quote to your attention.


TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

Just let that settle in for a few minutes

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:39 pm

Hmmm...here's another one:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:Duty is not really gay it is just a false personna he created. Last year he pretended he was a girl so I wouldn't take his word for it that he is gay or that he is 18.


He got rather fixated on this idea.

Think that's classic CS confusion.

From memory, and where I think this came from, is that you were referred to in feminine form by one of the Founders when notfying us that you'd been put on a temporary ban.  Nothing derogatory, just something like using 'she' or 'her', which everyone latched on to.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:41 pm

Duty281 wrote:Hmmm...here's another one:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:Duty is not really gay it is just a false personna he created. Last year he pretended he was a girl so I wouldn't take his word for it that he is gay or that he is 18.


He got rather fixated on this idea.

Think that's classic CS confusion.

From memory, and where I think this came from, is that you were referred to in feminine form by one of the Founders when notfying us that you'd been put on a temporary ban.  Nothing derogatory, just something like using 'she' or 'her', which everyone latched on to.

Stop trying to squirm your way out of it.

You said you was a girl that is where the confusion came from.


TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

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Post by Derbymanc on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:43 pm

Nope, still no proof of that CS, like I said Toppy was taking the mick out of you.

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Post by GSC on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:43 pm

Where is this Duty post claiming to be female?
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Post by Duty281 on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:44 pm

Nope...the confusion stemmed from me making a rather politically incorrect joke which was deemed homophobic. Thusly, some people got confused about my gender.

Keep trying! You'll still be wrong.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:47 pm

Duty281 wrote:Nope...the confusion stemmed from me making a rather politically incorrect joke which was deemed homophobic. Thusly, some people got confused about my gender.

Keep trying! You'll still be wrong.

The confusion came from you saying you was a girl.

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Post by Derbymanc on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:47 pm

No your confused cause you keep hoping he's a girl

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:48 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Nope...the confusion stemmed from me making a rather politically incorrect joke which was deemed homophobic. Thusly, some people got confused about my gender.

Keep trying! You'll still be wrong.

The confusion came from you saying you was a girl.

Two words, lawyer boy: Prove it.  laughing 

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Post by Champagne_Socialist on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:49 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Nope...the confusion stemmed from me making a rather politically incorrect joke which was deemed homophobic. Thusly, some people got confused about my gender.

Keep trying! You'll still be wrong.

The confusion came from you saying you was a girl.

Two words, lawyer boy: Prove it.  laughing 

So you are admitting that you lied youw as a girl. hence why you want to change the subject...


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Post by Derbymanc on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:50 pm

twisting in the wind

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 04 Aug 2014, 10:50 pm

No I want you to prove it. Should be simple enough.

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