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Post by kwinigolfer Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:31 pm

First topic message reminder :

1).Strange, isn't it, that the lightly regarded "Fourth Major" invariably has the best field and often the most interesting finish?
The ambition to produce the Top 100 in the owgr has clearly been punctured with Dustin Johnson absent, Tiger Woods a doubt, and others (Crane, Day, DeLaet, Toms) who were sufficiently infirm last week to withdraw from their respective tournaments, but the Top 130 in this week's field won't be matched this year anywhere in the World.

2).You don't need Mark Knopfler to tell you that half the Tour is coming down with Industrial Disease.
No word as to who's got smoker's cough from smoking, brewer's droop from drinking beer, and if Jesus is on hunger strike, dying by degrees, a dozen or two of the field will undoubtedly give up the ghost on the first tees. Not sure about "Rule Brittania, gassy beer, page three"! Have to speak to Poulter about that.

Whatever, we certainly have more than our fair share of casualties, most of whom will play, but whether just going through the motions or not remains to be seen.

3).Another wonderful win from Rory last week - reckon he won it on Saturday with birdies on #17 and #18 rather than on Sunday. Those two threes crept him closer to the lead and deeper inside Sergio's head, and early Sunday birdies clinched the deal.
Just a thought as one reflected upon the summer form of Rory, followed albeit at a distance, of Kaymer, Scott, Rose and Garcia:
Are we entering a brand new post-Tiger era of golfing excellence, or has it always been there, just a level below the Woods of a decade ago? I'm inclined to feel we're seeing some separation with Rory at one level, the next five or six consistently just behind, and some distance to those below the top seven or eight players.

4).As at Tuesday afternoon Valhalla time, all we know is that Woods has not yet been to the course and it's anyone's guess as to whether he'll be teeing it up on Thursday. But he won't be a force just because he's playing, he'll only be a force again, if ever, when he sets his ego aside, gets himself properly fit, and ratchets down his swing and resultant effect on his aging physique. Odds against in my book, but he's surprised before.

5).The PGA will be played, for the third time in 20 years, at Valhalla GC a Jack Nicklaus design outside Louisville, Kentucky. The Par-71 was also the venue for Azinger's Ryder Cup Team victory in 2008.
Several of the Team members from 2008 played well, Mickelson among them to go with Top Ten finishes in the 1996 (T8) and 2000 (T9) PGA Championships. Robert Karlsson was entering the best run of form of his life, Messrs Mahan, Rose and McDowell made promising Ryder Cup debuts, and Poulter excelled in a losing cause.

6).Others in the field with PGA Championship / Ryder Cup form who might be expected to contend (so not you Mark Brooks, nor even Kenny Perry who will doubtless perform well following his Langer-beating effort last week) include:
1996 PGA:
T17: Furyk
T24: Jimenez
T61: Els

2000 PGA:
3rd: Thomas Bjorn
T16: Westwood
T19: Cabrera (Nantz looked at Faldo as if he had two heads when sirnick suggested El Pato as a contender this week)
T34: Els, Garcia (who's on recent record as saying he doesn't like the course, certainly played as if he didn't in the Ryder Cup)
T64: Jimenez
T72: Furyk

2008 Ryder Cup:
0.5 pt: Jimenez, Stricker
1.0 pt: Casey, Garcia, Westwood
1.5 pts: Stenson
2.0 pts: Karlsson, Mickelson (playing mostly with a young hotshot called Kim)
2.5 pts: Furyk, Holmes, McDowell
3.0 pts: Rose
3.5 pts: Mahan
4.0 pts: Poulter

7).European chances:
Got to include McIlroy of course and I like the chances of Bjorn, Karlsson, Rose and Stenson.
Can't see Sergio contending while there's chat about Kaymer having back/neck issues.
Hopefully McDowell will play well but is this course a little too long for him? He'll be off on paternity leave shortly.
Big week for Donald (nah) and Donaldson. And will Lowry bring his links form to the Blue Grass?

8).Americans, also playing to earn a spot on Watson's Ryder Cup Team:
Bradley and Fowler are in great form right now.
Dufner's got his bulging discs and wonder if Valhalla is just too long for Furyk and Zach Johnson (who needs a good result for Ryder Cup ambitions)?
No doubt Kuchar will be there or thereabouts, perhaps Mahan will rediscover his form of 2008, while Snedeker and Holmes are local-ish.
And I wouldn't rule out Mickelson, somewhat (and rightly so) overlooked all year, but he found something last Sunday - can he keep it going?

9)."Internationals":
Great to see Ogilvy pick up his win last week and like him and Scott best of the Aussies, especially given Day's fitness issues.
No South African has won in the US for three years and can't see that changing.
But I love Cabrera's recent form and expect him to make some noise, while Matsuyama has already won on one Nicklaus course this year.

10).It won't be the stiflingly hot August week that you'd expect in Louisville, but there'll be enough humidity to make it feel warm and precipitate random thundershowers.
Hopefully the cream will rise to the top as it has for most big events this year.
The PGA won't have the glamour of The Masters, the history of the US Open or the tradition of The Open Championship, but it will host the best field and will surely provide a deserving winner.
Hope ailing stars get healthy and we enjoy a great Championship.

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Post by kwinigolfer Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:10 am

Glad you're in the North Country Shotrock, same here.

Validating effort from Dubuisson.

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Post by Be_the_ball Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:13 am

I have to go to bed now, nightmare..

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Post by Shotrock Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:18 am

Looks to be a 4 man race -- anyone's guess. But great theater.

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Post by kwinigolfer Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:23 am

Wake up Gorey, Plenty of excitement to come!

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Post by pedro Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:25 am

Stenson nooo! Can't afford that.

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Post by Be_the_ball Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:27 am

Smile Kwini, im up at 6 am! Ill have to catch up tmrw, have a good one folks, enjoy!

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Post by pedro Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:27 am

Rory's putter not quite calibrated. But one wouldn't be surprised if he makes a handful of birdies down the stretch.

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Post by pedro Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:28 am

Btb, it might be a Monday playoff!

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Post by EmmDee57 Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:29 am

This has been a great tournament which proves that if you if you set a course up fair it will produce great golf and attacking play and also if you open up the field to allow everyone to play, it can produce some unexpected challengers.

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Post by Shotrock Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:39 am

EmmDee - Fully agree. The blue suits from the USGA would be wise to take notice. Much rather watch this than a death march in (taking nothing away from great golf from Kaymer at Pinehurst and Rose the year before).

Love to see those Nike fist pumps! You can birdie in Rory.

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Post by EmmDee57 Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:23 am

Looking like another one for Rory and this one he's had to work hard for which is impressive. Not a final day canter like the US Open or the Open so this may show that he is now the one who will dominate for a decade or so.

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Post by sportform Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:25 am

Rory is surely there now? Back-to-back majors. Can he win the Masters and US Open for a grand slam next year?

If he wins this surely he will have the Sports Personality of the Year award in his bag too?
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Post by Shotrock Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:28 am

Player of the year sewn up. Incredibly impressive.

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Post by 1GrumpyGolfer Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:36 am

Amazing scenes on the last hole as Rory and Bernd try to beat the darkness. Rickie and Phil were walking off the tee when Rory asked if he could tee off. Could almost finish as a 4 ball!

Took a real lash at it too and was a little lucky to stay dry. Ridiculous as it is so fricking dark and thunder can be heard. All he needs is a par so no need to do anything stupid.

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Post by 1GrumpyGolfer Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:37 am

Can it get any more dramatic?

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Post by 1GrumpyGolfer Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:38 am

Wow! What an effort by Phil

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:46 am

Incredible back nine from McIlroy, what an incredible tournament
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Post by pedro Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:47 am

Drama! Strange finish to an exciting 4th round. Well done Rory.

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Post by kwinigolfer Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:08 am

Great for Rory, but what a cf at the end.
Dear oh dear.

Don't suppose Phil, Stenson and Phowler are an issue, but these guys who may not otherwise be qualified will return to the PGA Championship next year:
Ryan Palmer
Dubuisson
Mahan
Stricker
Ilonen
Warren (for the 2nd year running)
Chappell
Koepka
Wiesberger
DeLaet

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Post by kwinigolfer Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:13 am

Great quote by Mickelson to the question of how good McIlroy is right now:
"Better than everyone else. He's good -- really good."

Think even Shotrock would agree with Phil there.

Great British win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by BlueCoverman Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:18 am

Brilliant Rory just brilliant. Got to be in the office in a few short hours but I don't care, what a fantastic evenings viewing.

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Post by skiddy Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:27 am

will the r2d be cancelled? Whats the point of it now? theres probably not enough money available to catch mcilroy haha

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Post by BlueCoverman Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:34 am

McLaren wrote:McIlroy is really struggling, hard to see him blowing the field away at the moment.  He seems more likely to blow his own chances.

Good call Mac  Wink

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Post by Shotrock Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:39 am

Kwin - You would have to be Stevie Wonder not so see that. FIGJAM just brilliant at stating what's incredibly obvious.

As I said before, Ireland wishes this was Olympic weekend!!!

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Post by lorus59 Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:45 am

Got up at 3am to watch and it finished at 7.45am. Worth it though to see Rory win. It would have been really interesting if he had thought it was too dark to putt. I guess the crowd would have booed him and he would have lost a lot of popularity.

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Post by Bob_the_Job Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:47 am

Very impressive - guts as well as talent. Well done Rory.
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Post by incontinentia Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:52 am

I went to bed with Stenson looking like the man to beat. I wake up to find that Rory has ground out a win! Great year for midgetroy
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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:56 am

sportform wrote:Rory is surely there now? Back-to-back majors. Can he win the Masters and US Open for a grand slam next year?

If he wins this surely he will have the Sports Personality of the Year award in his bag too?

It's been a completely abysmal year for British Sport so McIlroy probably has his best chance of winning SPOTY this year. Any other year and winning two majors would barely register as the public generally doesn't like golf. It's almost impossible to think they could even fill a 10 candidate list. There's going to be a lot of token people in there and perhaps just one standout.

Only potential fly in the ointment if that stupid haired dick Hamilton wins the coin toss engineering competition.

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Post by JAS Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:04 am

Think he might have to hole the winning putt in the Ryder Cup as well as clinching the Fedex Cup and RtD...just to make sure!!

I must have fallen asleep around the same time as Incon, Stenson looked like the man in charge. McIlroy must have done well to get the momentum back on the back 9.

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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:12 am

Nice of Phil to be so gracious.
No doubt there will be some news gerrymandered by 9C re his "injury" today to take away some of the attention for Pubehead.

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Post by pedro Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:23 am

Heard on the last tee, in the last group, on the last day of a major championship:
"Can we play through?"

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Post by navyblueshorts Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:37 am

Great win for McIlroy. Be interesting to see if he can hold this form/maintain this motivation through into next year.

EmmDee57 wrote:This has been a great tournament which proves that if you if you set a course up fair it will produce great golf and attacking play and also if you open up the field to allow everyone to play, it can produce some unexpected challengers.
 Headscratch So, nothing to do with the fact the greens/fairways are like puddings that allow the players to throw darts at the flags, no matter where they are, then? Good tournament though, as you say.

Shotrock wrote:...Love to see those Nike fist pumps!...
Seriously? Enough to make me  vomit.

Shotrock wrote:...FIGJAM just brilliant at stating what's incredibly obvious...
Maybe, but what a stupid question to ask him after McIlroy has just won 2 Majors and a WGC on the bounce. Sounds to me as if that journalist has less going on in his head than Pmick to me.
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Post by McLaren Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:59 am

Did anyone else gain quite a bit of respect for Rory after he asked if they could play up the 18th as a four?

It was rather peevish of phil and his caddie to walk off and ensure this eminently sensible suggestion could not actually happen.  Given how far off the pace Rickee and phil were it was the least they could do.  Seems Fowler has picked up some slow play habits from his bible school buddies.


Just found this laughable comment from Fowler ( http://espn.go.com/golf/pgachampionship14/story/_/id/11337136/pga-championship-rickie-fowler-phil-mickelson-address-pga-decision-let-rory-mcilroy-bernd-wiesberger-hit-early-18th-hole )

Rickee wrote:Obviously, there is no waiting. Phil and I waited on the tee for a good amount of time and had to hit tee shots. In a way, [McIlroy and Wiesberger] never got out of rhythm as far as hitting the golf shots. I don't think it really changes it much. We were allowing them to hit the tee shots and we weren't expecting the approach shots to come.

Did he miss the part where his ludicrously long pre shot routine Kept the group behind waiting on every shot of the day? He is one of these players that gets away with slow play because once he addresses the ball he is quite quick to pull the trigger, but it takes him an age getting to that point.

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Post by Diggers Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:13 am

Half way to the Coco Slam!
Well done to Rory, would have been nice to see Phil win it, can't have too many chances left you'd think.

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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:23 am

Was hoping Stenson would win, but well done to pubehead.

As much as I dislike Fowler for his stupid dress sense and facial hair he looks very much like a player who could be one of McIlroy's peers/rivals

Since he got that horrid swing sorted he's been Mr Consistency, even if that hasn't translated into many wins.

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Post by Diggers Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:40 am

To be honest Fowler has seriously toned down his outfits. Thought he looked pretty smart last night.
I think it could be a critical point for Fowler. You can lose heart when constantly so close but not getting the win.

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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:44 am

Must have realised he looked ridiculous. He was relatively sober at The Open too. Those flat peaked hats are so stupid though, more ghetto than golf course.

I'm surprised more of these millionaire golfers can't just ditch a hat. not like they need the money.

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Post by beninho Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:49 am

I read fowler said he wanted to be known for his golf not his looks/clothes. And he has obviously worked very hard. I really dont see much wrong with him at all. And after the year he has had he is deserving of a big win soon. Butch Harmon may be a funny old man but he surely understands the golf swing better then most. Will snedeker have a resurgence know?.

Great win by rory though. To win 3 in a row no matter the events is some going the 3 he has won make it all the more remarkable. To achieve what he has by 25 is astounding. Well on the way to being the best European golfer ever.

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Post by navyblueshorts Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:54 am

McLaren wrote:Did anyone else gain quite a bit of respect for Rory after he asked if they could play up the 18th as a four?

It was rather peevish of phil and his caddie to walk off and ensure this eminently sensible suggestion could not actually happen.  Given how far off the pace Rickee and phil were it was the least they could do.  Seems Fowler has picked up some slow play habits from his bible school buddies.


Just found this laughable comment from Fowler ( http://espn.go.com/golf/pgachampionship14/story/_/id/11337136/pga-championship-rickie-fowler-phil-mickelson-address-pga-decision-let-rory-mcilroy-bernd-wiesberger-hit-early-18th-hole )

Rickee wrote:Obviously, there is no waiting. Phil and I waited on the tee for a good amount of time and had to hit tee shots. In a way, [McIlroy and Wiesberger] never got out of rhythm as far as hitting the golf shots. I don't think it really changes it much. We were allowing them to hit the tee shots and we weren't expecting the approach shots to come.

Did he miss the part where his ludicrously long pre shot routine Kept the group behind waiting on every shot of the day?  He is one of these players that gets away with slow play because once he addresses the ball he is quite quick to pull the trigger, but it takes him an age getting to that point.

Not sure I agree with you entirely re. the 4-ball suggestion. It's a Major with Phil and Fowler in definite contention. Not sure why you think Fowler's comment that you quote is 'laughable'. At the end of the day, this was a dumb situation that wasn't the fault of any of those 4 players - it was, as Kwini pointed out, the kow-towing to the TV demands by the USPGA which meant they started far too late if there was any serious deluge....which there was. Given all that, I think it's a little harsh to point any fingers at Fowler or Mickleson if they weren't entirely happy with what happened.

Fowler's pretty slow though, I'll certainly give you that. Officlaldom don't police that sort of thing anything like well enough.
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Post by McLaren Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:08 am

Blueshorts

Whatever caused the matches to be played in fading light is irrelevant at the moment a simple solution exists. Play up as a four and everyone's a winner. Worry about future scheduling later.

Unless of course we are in the world of golf where the smallest things rile some of the biggest dullards around.
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Post by Diggers Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:48 am

Maybe Fowler has slowed down to take more thought re course management, pre shot routine etc..and the results are the improvement we see.
Or maybe we was always slow anyway.

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Post by pedro Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:55 am

Fowler seems like a very nice guy, but I agree that his facial hair and hat makes him look like the love child of Captain Jack Sparrow and the Joker from Batman.

What really makes McCocolroy stand out is that he seems to have that extra gear when it matters.

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Post by kwinigolfer Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:58 am

Mac,
Phil and Rickie were waiting on every shot also - don't know where you get the idea they were playing slowly, they all were being held up. Pretty much from the start.
Fowler usually plays quite quickly but these were very unusual, certainly not Tour-ready, conditions. Plus it was a Major. What's anyone supposed to do?

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Post by Shotrock Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:03 pm

Navy - Not so much the fist pumps as the intensity. His singular focus on the back 9 was impressive stuff. Was stalking each shot as if he deserved birdies.

Fine year in the majors for Fowler; but it remains to be seen if he can build on this or if it is just another major "fly by".

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Post by navyblueshorts Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:04 pm

McLaren wrote:Blueshorts

Whatever caused the matches to be played in fading light is irrelevant at the moment a simple solution exists.  Play up as a four and everyone's a winner.  Worry about future scheduling later.

Unless of course we are in the world of golf where the smallest things rile some of the biggest dullards around.
It's not 'irrelevant' is it? As I said before, Mickleson and Fowler were in direct contention - why should they offer to help out? I can see why from a pure sporting point of view but they're trying to win a Major and, in Fowler's case, what would have been his breakthrough Major. Why should there be any pressure on them to help McIlroy and/or the TV execs? Sorry. Wasn't Fowler/Mickleson's f-up so I don't see why you're on their case at all tbh.
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Post by navyblueshorts Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:07 pm

Shotrock wrote:Navy - Not so much the fist pumps as the intensity. His singular focus on the back 9 was impressive stuff. Was stalking each shot as if he deserved birdies.

Fine year in the majors for Fowler; but it remains to be seen if he can build on this or if it is just another major "fly by".
His focus was certainly impressive and he had the shots when it mattered to get it won when the majority crowds were hoping Fowler or Mickleson would come out on top. Pretty special. If he can keep the motivation and put in the necessary practice etc (w/o overdoing the gym routine!), the rest look like they're going to have to up their games somewhat.
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Post by Diggers Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:12 pm

I suppose next question for Rory is how he copes with being a genuine global superstar. He's kind of stepped up now, he's clearly the main man.
Can he stay focused or will the next distraction (maybe some Hollywood hottie) take his eye of the ball so to speak.
I still suspect he will be streaky to a degree but will have patches like his current one.
Think it's going to be fun to watch whatever. I still harbour (decreasing) hopes of seeing him and Woods in the last group of a major when both playing well.

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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:42 pm

Diggers wrote:I suppose next question for Rory is how he copes with being a genuine global superstar. He's kind of stepped up now, he's clearly the main man.
Can he stay focused or will the next distraction (maybe some Hollywood hottie) take his eye of the ball so to speak.
I still suspect he will be streaky to a degree but will have patches like his current one.
Think it's going to be fun to watch whatever. I still harbour (decreasing) hopes of seeing him and Woods in the last group of a major when both playing well.

That showdown would certainly be good, perhaps we might see it at the Ryder Cup if Watson yields to TV demands. Can't see it happening in a major though, not unless 9C can get a back and brain transplant.

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Post by McLaren Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:59 pm

Kwini

You must not be playing enough golf these days, or you would recognize straight away that Fowler is a slow player. His pre shot routine is glacial, he spends an age reading putts and has not even selected a club by the time his turn comes around.

Navy

I guess you are just conditioned to accept the status quo like all men who play golf long enough,.
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Post by super_realist Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:04 pm

When did you last play Mac?

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