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Post by It Must Be Love Sat Oct 04, 2014 11:19 am

First topic message reminder :

Djokovic defending champion, and the race for WTF hots up !

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Post by kingraf Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:31 pm

Completely strange how at no point in their rivalry Djokovic has seemed to have no answers for Federer. If Nadal's H2h is an albatross around his neck, then the fact that a middle aged Federer has managed to continuously give the best player in the world headaches must be a big plus?

Anyway allez Simón, and all that. I've been backing him the whole year.
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Post by bogbrush Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:02 pm

I'm trying to recall another player who has been able to reinvent his game to the extent Federer has, at this age, and make it worth.

The answer to the retrieval game might well be a new level of attacking game, but you'd expect that to come from a new generation, not the one previous to the current #1.
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Post by TRuffin Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:03 pm

At 33, Fed is the only player in the world that can beat Djoko on this type of court.

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Post by laverfan Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:09 pm

bogbrush wrote:I'm trying to recall another player who has been able to reinvent his game to the extent Federer has, at this age, and make it worth.

Agassi came from the depths of hell and back. Another one is perhaps Muster. Federer has been around since his ascension in 2003.

bogbrush wrote:The answer to the retrieval game might well be a new level of attacking game, but you'd expect that to come from a new generation, not the one previous to the current #1.

When Federer, Stepanek, Llodra, Nieminen, Dodig, and Hewitt retire, and start coaching, there is a chance for an all court attacking game.

Goodall - "a joy to watch", Koenig - "best S&V match in last 10 years" (bit of a hyperbole though) were very impressed with Federer today.

Federer is missing Shanghai, MC and Rome from his resume. Can he make some amends tomorrow?

Happy to see SB, Jahu, LS, BB enjoy Federer today.

Djokovic had no answer today, despite some excellent Tennis. Becker could have come up with a game plan to counter S&V, being a good player himself, but somehow did not.

TRuffin wrote:At 33, Fed is the only player in the world that can beat Djoko on this type of court.

He almost came close on Grass and did it on clay at RG, a couple of years ago.

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Post by bogbrush Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:19 pm

I agree Agassi came back, but it don't think he did so with a reinvented game. This is what I'm finding so impressive. Federer has won countless tournaments with a mixed baseline game, now he's recharged the forecourt game completely.

I have to say though, having the hand-eye coordination of the Gods sure helps. It means he can rally standing on the baseline, thus never being more than a few strides from the forecourt.
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Post by Henman Bill Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:58 am

I am not sure Federer has reinvented his game. It seems to me more of a pattern of volleying returning to the tour, not just one player.

Stakhovsky at Wimbledon last year used the same tactic AGAINST Federer.

In 2011 no-one was using such tactics, now it's becoming more common again.

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Post by laverfan Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:26 am

Henman Bill wrote:In 2011 no-one was using such tactics, now it's becoming more common again.

Are you forgetting Dodig v Nadal? Wink

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Post by LuvSports! Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:02 am

Lopez used S&V as did Llodra, Karlovic does, Haas did etc

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Post by LuvSports! Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:16 am

Feds breaks back! 6-5 Very Happy

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Post by Born Slippy Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:22 am

Great hold Gilou. Hold it together now in the tiebreak!

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Post by Born Slippy Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:29 am

This is a superb tiebreak. Both playing exceptional tennis.

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Post by Born Slippy Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:31 am

Yep, great stuff from Fed to save the set point and win the tiebreak. Simon having a MTO?

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Post by LuvSports! Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:37 am

WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Post by Jahu Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:41 am

Move it up Fed, finish in 2 sets, its Sunday.
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Post by bogbrush Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:53 am

Henman Bill wrote:I am not sure Federer has reinvented his game. It seems to me more of a pattern of volleying returning to the tour, not just one player.

Stakhovsky at Wimbledon last year used the same tactic AGAINST Federer.

In 2011 no-one was using such tactics, now it's becoming more common again.
That someone else (in that case a low ranked player) used it doesn't alter the fact that Federer changed his. In any case, by that measure no style of play ever falls out because there's always somebody playing every game.
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Post by Born Slippy Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:08 am

Simon playing a magnificent match despite clearly suffering with a slight injury. Very close match albeit Fed will win in the end.

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Post by Jahu Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:10 am

Break now Fed, finish it.
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Post by Born Slippy Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:15 am

Don't give him this game Simon. Deserves a 3rd set here.

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Post by Born Slippy Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:18 am

Great service game from Fed. Feel the end may be close now.

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Post by Born Slippy Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:22 am

Allez Simon. Great hold again.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:25 am

Federer's baseline game is not top 4 anymore, sad but true, luckily Novak had a poor performance yesterday. Now he plays the softest volley I've ever seen Doh so below average.
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Post by Josiah Maiestas Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:26 am

Yes! Take is Gilles please. clap
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Post by laverfan Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:26 am

Born Slippy wrote:Simon playing a magnificent match despite clearly suffering with a slight injury. Very close match albeit Fed will win in the end.

What injury are you referring to BS?

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:28 am

He forgets how to play with 2 SP's... Monfils all over again furious
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Post by Born Slippy Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:28 am

Hmm, Simon blinked a bit there. Should have had the second set point.

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Post by kingraf Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:29 am

FFS Gilles!
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Post by Josiah Maiestas Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:32 am

Can't see no way back now, unless he's caught the "gael" bug.
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Post by Josiah Maiestas Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:34 am

Wow.

Federer cheered louder for this one than I've ever heard Shocked

Wasn't his A game and actually didn't need to be. On to Paris
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Post by Born Slippy Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:35 am

Well played Fed. Strong in both tiebreaks. Excellent match from Simon. Hopefully on his way back to the top 10.

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Post by laverfan Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:35 am

#23 and first Shanghai for the Old Man. clap clap

Simon unable to force a third set. Sad

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Post by Jahu Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:44 am

Great match, Simon held good and had chances to win.

Fed keeping it cool under pressure.

WTF go go go
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Post by laverfan Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:47 am

Rolex signs up for next 10 years of sponsorship. Shanghai Match Thread - Page 4 3845856932

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Post by bogbrush Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:56 am

Weird how it's conceivable that Federer could secure #1 at the DC final.

I hate ranking points for Davis Cup.
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Post by Jahu Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:03 pm

laverfan wrote:Rolex signs up for next 10 years of sponsorship. Shanghai Match Thread - Page 4 3845856932

Yes, I just sold my Seiko since Djoko is advertising for them, now I just need to sell my house and get that Fed Rolex Yahoo
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Post by laverfan Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:55 pm

Jahu wrote:
laverfan wrote:Rolex signs up for next 10 years of sponsorship. Shanghai Match Thread - Page 4 3845856932

Yes, I just sold my Seiko since Djoko is advertising for them, now I just need to sell my house and get that Fed Rolex Yahoo

Move into Federer's house at Valbella. Wink

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Post by Jahu Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:38 pm

Xmass come early Mrs. LF, thx Smile
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Post by laverfan Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:28 pm

Jahu wrote:Xmass come early Mrs. LF, thx Smile

You are a dear, Jahu. kiss (No amount of irreverence can change that. Would you be willing to participate in recruit-a-moderator drive? Wink ).

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Post by Jahu Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:04 pm

LF thanks for the candid offer, but then I would lose the possibility of slapping Djoko so often, so I will decline to be a Mod Smile

That is very valuable to my future in this Planet.

But I vote for Socal, he is my best friend and has expressed a desire to be a Mod.

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Post by laverfan Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:02 am

Jahu wrote:But I vote for Socal, he is my best friend and has expressed a desire to be a Mod.

I shall ask.

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Post by Henman Bill Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:06 am

I thought Simon played quite effectively, his usual cross court deep, low junk that's hard to generate winners from. Federer's eye was not quite in today, around 5-3 in the first set for example he was missing shots. I'm not sure if he made a deliberate decision because his timing was off today, or at least at that point in the match, but I thought it was tactically astute that he didn't get frustrated and try to hit through too much. He actually kept rallying feeding back the same junk until Simon made the errors, and it worked. Simon perhaps had a missed opportunity today with a few nerves and a few too many errors. He wasn't able to quite produce the annoying boring consistent rallies that could drive a player like Federer mad.

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Post by summerblues Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:16 am

Only saw some of the 2nd set today.  Fed nowhere near as sharp as yesterday, but good enough to get the job done.  So that will keep the race for #1 open for at least a bit longer.

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