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Post by Fernando on Wed 24 Dec 2014, 10:53 am

First topic message reminder :

Apparently a kid named Antonio Martin has been shot on the forecourt of a petrol station which has sparked clashes with police being bombarded with rocks and bottles which led to teargas being thrown to try and disperse the crowd.

People suggesting that it was more then an hour after he was shot that an ambulance was called despite bleeding from being shot.

St Louis Police are claiming that a handgun was pointed at the police officer...

Well this one shouldn't take long to prove surely all Petrol Stations have a security camera Whistle

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 4:17 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:The trouble is, police do shoot a disproportionately large number of black people.

Could equally say a disproportionate amount of serious crime is committed by black people.

This is the issue in London, for example, and why stop&search has been so problematic.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 4:21 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:The trouble is, police do shoot a disproportionately large number of black people.

Could equally say a disproportionate amount of serious crime is committed by black people.  .

Absolutely agree with this........

I'd go further and make it that If a Cop pulls over a Black guy and he's found not to have broken any laws....

They should arrest him anyway for wasting police time !! Cool

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Post by kingraf on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 4:25 pm

Calling an 18-year a c.unt and a nasty piece of work based and saying his behaviour led to his death is hardly your finest work. The version that he jumped at the cop like he was Rambo is not undisputed. You've chosen to believe the version of events given out by police force which had multi million dollar case hanging over them, and a cop who was facing rather serious charges. That's your perogative, but accusing me of having a chip because I tend to think any system which leads to unarmed youths as young twelve being shot and killed being justifiable is probably not working is pathetic. Extremely so.
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 4:26 pm

I wasn't making a statement of fact, or really my own opinion, just highlighting that I don't like sweeping undefined statements like "police do shoot a disproportionately large number of black people".

Disproportionate to what??

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 4:27 pm

kingraf wrote:Calling an 18-year a c.unt and a nasty piece of work based and saying his behaviour led to his death is hardly your finest work. The version that he jumped at the cop like he was Rambo is not undisputed. You've chosen to believe the version of events given out by police force which had multi million dollar case hanging over them, and a  cop who was facing rather serious charges. That's your perogative, but accusing me of having a chip because I tend to think any system which leads to unarmed youths as young twelve being shot and killed being justifiable  is probably not working is pathetic. Extremely so.

Mate I think you've got a problem............

You sound very much like Az...................Toppy is right..


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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 4:28 pm

kingraf wrote:Calling an 18-year a c.unt and a nasty piece of work based and saying his behaviour led to his death is hardly your finest work. The version that he jumped at the cop like he was Rambo is not undisputed. You've chosen to believe the version of events given out by police force which had multi million dollar case hanging over them, and a  cop who was facing rather serious charges. That's your perogative, but accusing me of having a chip because I tend to think any system which leads to unarmed youths as young twelve being shot and killed being justifiable  is probably not working is pathetic. Extremely so.

He was stopped by a police officer, after committing a crime, and rather than simply exercising his first amendment rights he decided to just attack the police officer.

How fecking ignorant do you have to be to not thinkhis behaviour contributed to his death...??!!

Sure there are white kids that have been shot too, where's your high horse about them?!

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 4:35 pm

We don't have clay pigeons in America , Toppy !!

Black people are used as a substitute...

"Pull".....

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Post by kingraf on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 4:37 pm

You do forget the term "allegedly" a lot. Like I told Truss, a few months ago, post a thread about officers killing a white kid and I will comment. I don't post one up because I don't post these threads up. Point one racial article we've ever had on here which I posted. Heck point one Political article. A religious one? Oh that's right, there are none, because I've never written one. I just comment. Literally dozens of unarmed youths being shot in the States, and I've written a piece on none of them. That definitely shows how big my chip is.
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 4:41 pm

Your chip is evident in your 'Ps' even in the absence of any 'OPs'.

And re 'allegedly', his surrender is more 'alledged' than the fact he went for the officer. Or that he'd just mugged a store clerk.

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Post by kingraf on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 5:01 pm

So is there physical evidence of this, or anecdotal evidence which can't be dusputed? Why did the cop fire six shots, wait three seconds, then fire four? Was he being attacked by Rasputin? Should he be applauded for not resorting to a silver knife and decapitation? All evidence could be swung both ways, the majority white grand jury seemed to see it the same way... Imagine that

Ja, I'm so racist aren't I? Best I leave a British, forum, stop backing the majority white Springboks, defending the Klitschkos... The white portion of my family are gonna be beyond pis.sed when they find out I'm one of those self loathing types. I generally don't respond to this type of nonsense, but it beggars belief that having never met me, you can come to such a conclusion. The chip on my shoulder the reason I have an Afrikaans girlfriend? The reason I went to an Afrikaans school? The reason most of my social circle is white? The reason I moved from Johannesburg, an integrated city, to live in Centurion, a majority white city? Maybe I should go live in a shanty, screaming down with white before I'm allowed to have an opinion? Idiot
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Post by kingraf on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 5:12 pm

Honestly, rather pathetic, you're entering Truss levels "70 00 white farmers are killed in South Africa according to "Americans Against the Genocide of White South Africans"... No Truss those stats are wrong, as 38% of those farm deaths aren't even white, and The real figures are vastly Lower... by about 67 000 "You've obviously got a chip on your shoulder". No point debating when the conversation gets to this quality
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Post by Duty281 on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 5:39 pm

Hmmm...I get the feeling the off-topic forum is descending into anarchy once more.

Just like the good old days! *cough*

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Post by ShahenshahG on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 6:03 pm

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Post by kingraf on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 6:09 pm

You only say that because you're neither Shah!
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Post by ShahenshahG on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 6:12 pm

kingraf wrote:You only say that because you're neither Shah!

Thats true but its easier to control the sub races when they live in harmony

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Post by kingraf on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 6:16 pm

Can't risk us fighting in the queues which would only delay the beheading procession, yeah?
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Post by ShahenshahG on Wed 07 Jan 2015, 6:18 pm

kingraf wrote:Can't risk us fighting in the queues which would only delay the beheading procession, yeah?

No. Just want to watch mr bean undisturbed

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 9:35 am

Duty281 wrote:Hmmm...I get the feeling the off-topic forum is descending into anarchy once more.

Just like the good old days! *cough*

Yeh, because Raf has become the new Az.

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Post by Rowley on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 9:37 am

First thread locked, will be the evil mods fault though when the section gets closed again.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 9:42 am

kingraf wrote:So is there physical evidence of this, or anecdotal evidence which can't be dusputed? Why did the cop fire six shots, wait three seconds, then fire four? Was he being attacked by Rasputin? Should he be applauded for not resorting to a silver knife and decapitation? All evidence could be swung both ways, the majority white grand jury seemed to see it the same way... Imagine that

Well for starters he's on video mugging the store clerk, so that's indisputable.

I can't excuse or justfiy the way the officer shot him, and I think there was more to the case than we know and that he should've faced greater punishment as his actions were 'fishy' to say the least. But there were more corroborating witness statements testifying to Brown going for the officer than there were that he was unequivocally on his knees with his hands up surrendering (as his supporters try to claim).

My point has always been that Brown's actions contributed to his death. And as such it is a wholly seperate incident to Garner.

And, re your chip, it manifests itself in discussing policing issues, nowhere else. Not calling you a racist, at all.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 9:42 am

Rowley wrote:First thread locked, will be the evil mods fault though when the section gets closed again.

Noted. Will shut up now.

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Post by kingraf on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 9:48 am

Yeah... interesting how you're the only person who comes to that conclusion. Debate my last point, which evidence was beyond doubt? Why was there a pause in the rattling of bullets? If the poor cop was assaulted and barely managed to get his gun, why are there bruises on Brown's face? Why does the cops view that he Shot Brown while Brown was reaching for his gun (I.e arm adducted to opposite shoulder) contradict the coroners report (ie arms are abducted). Choose to believe what you wish. But pretending there are no inconsistencies and that this was the best way to handle the situation is your perogative, not mine.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 10:39 am

I find it amusing a South African is moaning about the Cops in America being racist.

No offence Kingy..

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Post by kingraf on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 10:41 am

None taken, don't understand why I'd take any.
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Post by kingraf on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 10:46 am

Or was that a prelude to some more thumbsucked data? What do Americans Against the Genocide of White South Africans have for me today?
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 10:55 am

Get rid of that chip

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Post by kingraf on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 11:02 am

There is no chip... In South Africa the police have a murder rate of 51 per 100 000, your "petrified" don't even have half that. Believe it or not, ours are yet to shoot a 12-year old holding a toy gun, and they are the definition of trigger happy useless. Maybe my problem is with a system which creates a margin error for killing unarmed defenceless civilians?
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