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Post by Guest on Fri 26 Dec 2014, 11:21 pm

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Post by Fernando on Mon 29 Dec 2014, 11:24 pm

There is always 1 that sinks like a stone...That being said im going for Swansea with Bony at the ACON

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Post by kingraf on Mon 29 Dec 2014, 11:48 pm

Phuck off Nando.
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Post by monty junior on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 2:24 am

I'd take Sherwood at Newcastle though someone like De Boer would be great, he would play the young players, bring a better style of football and bring knowledge of a market that is significantly cheaper than the EPL with a lot of quality players.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 4:49 am

Pulis 100% deserves a crack at Newcastle. West Brom should of course be going all out for him. Toon giving Sctheve a go would be great, as well as trying for someone like Dyche. Would also be a good club for Howe in some respects, gives him a few months to get used to the Prem.

Poor old Brucey has tried to run before Hull could walk, but hes a decent manager.

Most annoying this is we have West Brom next, damn manager sacking boost will come in.

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Post by mystiroakey on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 9:34 am

Fernando wrote:Coloccini is major favorite to become toon manager. Neville is laughing his ass off at that on MNF

thats just the next temp manager though surely

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Post by GSC on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 9:48 am

West Brom blinked first for Pulis
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Post by mystiroakey on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 9:50 am

not surprising. and i think he will go there- whether he stays past the summer is a totally different question..

I cant see the toon faithful being happy with TP.

although i think he is much more than he is given credit for..

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Post by GSC on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 9:50 am

Its Hodgson all over again basically
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Post by Guest on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 10:23 am

TP wants full control of transfers, so no chance of coming to us. Coloccini ruled out. Basically, because of our league position & Ashley being on holiday, I see an interim job for Carver & Beardsley until the summer. We don't need to rush into a silly decision, a top manager like De Boer or McLaren are easier to get in the summer.

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Post by NickisBHAFC on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 10:26 am

Newcastke should go after Sean Dyche?

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Post by Fernando on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 10:37 am

Bruce/Sherwood/Pulis and Ally McCoist favs for toon job. With Ashley's interest in Rangers it wouldnt surprise me at all if Ally become manager...

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Post by GSC on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 10:39 am

How angry will John be when its curbishley
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Post by Fernando on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 10:41 am

tbf he's come in from 60/1 to 33/1 Laugh

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Post by GSC on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 10:42 am

He's cheap and costs no compensation.
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Post by Fernando on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 10:56 am

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Post by Guest on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 11:00 am

Curbishly looks comfortable sitting in the Sky Sports studios & that's where he should stay. Ameobi is happy playing second division Turkish football. Bookies havent got a clue on this Newcastle job, as for Dyche, do me a favour, one result against City & he's some kind of ginger God, if he was rocking up at any of your gaffes, you'd be livid.

I'd be happy taking Carver/Beardsley now until the summer, unless we can get De Boer or McLaren immediately. Bruce, Sherwood & McCoist are shocking on so many levels & shouldn't even be in contention for a club like us.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 11:11 am

De Boer is too good for the Toon job.

Not sure why Dyche is a joke. Amazing job last year, young manager, doing alright this year too. Clearly earned a step up.

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Post by Guest on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 11:23 am

De Boer might be too good for us, but he's only proven himself at Ajax, that's it. He's never going to get a top 4 job & Spurs he missed out on. He said Newcastle were a sleeping giant & he knows & has worked with the Dutch players in our squad. It's not like he's a Guardiola figure, demanded everywhere, he's just a recognisable name from Holland in the relatively early stages of his management career.

Dyche, no, just can't be having that. Yeah, done well at Burnley, but his step up should be to Palace or to a Hull type club, who are just established PL sides, not to a club the size of us with the demands & pressure our place entails.

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Post by mystiroakey on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 11:46 am

if your club isnt willing to spend like its a big time club - then it isnt one .


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Post by guildfordbat on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 11:57 am

mystiroakey wrote:not surprising. and i think he will go there- whether he stays past the summer is a totally different question..

I cant see the toon faithful being happy with TP.

although i think he is much more than he is given credit for..

I feel Mysti is spot on as to how Tony Pulis would be perceived by the Newcastle crowd.

Whilst he might well be capable of doing a decent job - and ultimately an even better one than Pardew - I suspect they would be on his back as soon as the first wobble appeared. Supporters who have grown up hearing stories of the goal scoring exploits of Gallacher, Milburn, Macdonald and Shearer are not going to instinctively warm to a man whose managerial reputation has been largely built on defensive organisation (however much Newcastle may need that and regardless, as Mysti suggests, of Pulis having more in his locker).

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Post by Guest on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 12:04 pm

Agree, Dyche to Newcastle is too big a jump, in terms of pressure & expectations. De Boer is just name, anyone can win titles in Holland, he doesn't deserve to walk into a top 4 club, so the opportunity of Newcastle would be a good step for me, especially with the players their.

Don't think John was claiming Newcastle are a big club, he knows they are a mid table outfit with restricted financial power, it was more of the size of the fan base & the expectations & demands of managing the club, that someone like Dyche would struggle to cope with. Newcastle are a bigger club than Palace, Hull & all those types, irrespective of how much they spend though.

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Post by Guest on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 12:14 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:

Not sure why Dyche is a joke. Amazing job last year, young manager, doing alright this year too. Clearly earned a step up.

I remember hearing similar things about Brendan Rodgers. Now he's useless, apparently.

I'd like to see Dyche see the season out with Burnley myself. Hope they stay up too.


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Post by Mat on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 12:14 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Pulis 100% deserves a crack at Newcastle. West Brom should of course be going all out for him. Toon giving Sctheve a go would be great, as well as trying for someone like Dyche. Would also be a good club for Howe in some respects, gives him a few months to get used to the Prem.

Poor old Brucey has tried to run before Hull could walk, but hes a decent manager.

Most annoying this is we have West Brom next, damn manager sacking boost will come in.

New man won't be in until the weekend so no need to worry about that. Especially as it's Irvine's old assistants in charge anyway, who were even less popular with the fans than him!

I think it's going to be Sherwood at Albion. Don't see our chairman, or Pulis, budging far enough from what they want to get a deal sorted.

While Irvine was destined to be a disaster from the outset, Sherwood is definitely going to be a 50/50 thing. It will either be the kick up the ass, fresh eyes that our club desperately needs or it will be absolute carnage.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 12:20 pm

Dyche certainly deserves a consideration, what he done/is doing with Burnley is nothing short of miraculous, and he didn't do to badly at Watford either.

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Post by GSC on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 12:31 pm

Dyche isn't a bad manager but he's not the first to overachieve with a small Championship club and then be plucky underdogs on a shoestring budget. Too early to be considering him imo
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Post by guildfordbat on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 12:34 pm

This may be too old fashioned and naive but I'm not sure that Dyche would want to go to Newcastle now. He's very much given the impression that he desperately wants to see the season out with Burnley and do everything to keep them up.

On a far more cynical front, isn't Ashley more likely to keep the compo for Pardew and let Carver hold the fort until the summer?

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Post by GSC on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 12:35 pm

Ashley's not going to go after an exotic foreign manager, he has his formula and it'll be a cheap out of work manager with PL experience.
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Post by guildfordbat on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 12:45 pm

GSC wrote:Ashley's not going to go after an exotic foreign manager, he has his formula and it'll be a cheap out of work manager with PL experience.

I believe Ian Dowie is available. Rolling Eyes

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Post by GSC on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 12:47 pm

Probably worth a shout. Ashley only cares about mid table, then he can print his cash
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Post by mystiroakey on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 1:01 pm

Liamb

the size of your club = the size of your support..

the size of your support = the size of your potential turnover..

the size of your turnover should= the quality of your team

the quality of your team should= the size of your club.

The Geordie's have twice the turnover of athletico madrid..

just to put things in perspective..

the toon is a huge club historically and still to this day has a huge amount of fans.. they just have a backwards owner


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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 1:02 pm

Its not so much that De Boer is too good a manager for the Toon, I just think hes too good in terms of potential to go into the mess that Newcastle can be. I wouldnt want my first job away from home to be under Ashley, to be under the Frak that Newcastle always become regardless of whats going on. I mean this in no insult to Newcastle, but things always seem to go mental.

Pulis showed at Palace that he is more than his Stoke days. But youre right, the Toon fans are a bunch of sorts and could easily ruin it. Is there not a French manager someone like Carr has links with who could be an option?

Sherwood doesnt deserve the attention he gets. So many more accomplished managers about.

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Post by Guest on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 1:14 pm

Agree, it's a mess under Ashley, especially with his intention to sell in 2016. Don't think De Boer it too good for us but, agree, might be too difficult a situation to take on for him, even though the players here would suit him. There's French managers like Remi Garde, that manager at St Etienne, Christophe Galtier, who was linked with us before. Pulis would not be wanted at Newcastle for two reasons. Wants full control & his style, even if he is a more superior manager, than some fans think.

Got Carver written all over it to me as interim, don't see a credible option elsewhere that's available.


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Post by GSC on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 2:24 pm

Depends how you define a mess I guess. In terms of what Ashley wants its sustainable and he just got 2m for a manager he picked off the scrapheap.
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Post by Guest on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 2:42 pm

Oh yeah, not saying the club is run incorrectly or is a financial mess, he's running the ship brilliantly & his business model is one of the best out there. It's a mess in terms of his intention to sell, not committing too invest in this next window & therefore it leaves us in complete limbo & doesn't give us any direction to move in or build towards. We're effectively have him ticking things over until 2016. Right now, if we had a different owner, willing to fund the club in the market, we'd probably have a chance of De Boer & it would do wonders for our young players & getting the best out of the Dutch players already at the club.

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Post by Guest on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 2:44 pm

I heard it's £2m per season for the next three seasons. Ashley would never of given up this easily on compensation.

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Post by monty junior on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 2:58 pm

Ugh not Pulis, i'd rather keep Pardew. Guys like Warnock, Pulis and Bruce will gurantee nothing but at best complete mediocrity.

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Post by mystiroakey on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 3:38 pm

TP is in a completely different league to Warnock.


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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 3:56 pm

The guy made Palace better to watch in every area of the pitch. One swallow doesnt make a summer, but I don't think he wants to be the Pulis that he got labelled as at Stoke. I think him and Allardyce have both reacted the same way to the battering of their reputations; they've come out showing they dont just have one gear. I think Pulis is everything Newcastle need as I dont every remember watching them and thinking someone has built them from the back. Moyes' Everton, West Ham right now, even Southampton (who spent big money on a keeper when they already had Boruc) have shown how wise it is to know your defence works.

Not only that, but Bolasie is still showing the benefits of working under Pulis, Puncheon was at his best under him. If it didnt work, I would say now that it would likely be the fans fault.

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Post by Guest on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 4:51 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I think Pulis is everything Newcastle need

I wouldn't say Newcastle need anything urgently, they are not that defensively messed up, they're comfortably mid-table & playing decent stuff. Pulis is a decent manager, but he's not someone they urgently need to fix anything. As John stated, they can comfortably wait until the summer & appoint someone with a far better CV & someone who can nurture & develop their youngsters & who can bring their own ideas of attacking football, that the Newcastle fans want.

Everybody knows the Newcastle fans views, the Toon faithful require the excitement, risk football, whereby they win 4-3, instead of a dull 1-0 win. Stupid, probably, but it's what the Newcastle fan base demand & is probably the reason why so many managers have failed & been forced out. In any case, it will be Ashley stopping the appointment of Pulis anyway, not the fans, because Pulis will never have control of signings, they'd end up with Cameron Jerome types, which would go down like a lead balloon at St. James'.

All in all, Newcastle are a mess with Ashley & why Pardew has forced this move.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 5:05 pm

Depends on what you think Pardew gave them. Complete inconsistency has always been a trait of his, and I would say that their defence is pretty much how well Colo plays. Thats a team thats been desperate for Pardew sacking cos hes not good enough, to flying a bit, then fading away awful again. You always need something at that level. We were middling and alright, Southampton were fine, but both clubs have found something in a manager this year that they needed to get better.

They might need a manager who can lead a team from 3-0 down to draw 3-3 with the best Liverpool side of the Premier League era too.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 5:23 pm

How dare thee diss Cameron Jerome Liam. Hang your head in shame young man
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Post by Fernando on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 7:17 pm

You owe me a bag of Skittles & a Mango Mysti.

Jonjo Shelvey charged with Violent Conduct
Raheem Sterling let off as the ref saw it.

#IncompetenceAtItsFinest

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Post by PaulHv2 on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 7:17 pm

Looks like Fernando was right, Shelvey has been charged for an elbow on Can while Sterling has been let off.
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Post by Fernando on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 7:20 pm

Now you trying tell anyone that isn't a big team decision Laugh

You can't elbow people but you can slap like a girl. I wonder what Christian Benteke is thinking about this...

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Post by PaulHv2 on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 7:21 pm

Not sure it's a big team decision, more that the linesman had the balls to say he saw what happened. They need to ask Marriner what he actually saw because he was looking straight at the incident!
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Post by Fernando on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 7:25 pm

If they can't tell that's a red card their in the wrong job Laugh I used to ref sunday league matches and even im more competent then that it's basic rules 101 you can't raise your hands to the face Laugh

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Post by PaulHv2 on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 7:34 pm

At the time I said it was like they wanted to even it up, there was no way the linesman didn't see what Sterling did.
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Post by guildfordbat on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 11:53 pm

Olly wrote:How dare thee diss Cameron Jerome Liam. Hang your head in shame young man

Olly - capable modern day footballer that Cameron Jerome is (as surely proved by his appearances for the Canaries), I still find it hard to imagine that his name one day could be added to the list of of Hughie Gallacher, Jackie Milburn, Malcolm Macdonald and Alan Shearer as prolific goal scorers worshipped by the Newcastle faithful. Wink

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 31 Dec 2014, 12:03 am

I'm really not sure what to make of him, he is scoring a fair amount of goals for us but he can't finish. It's a weird talent he has but I ain't complaining!
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Post by guildfordbat on Wed 31 Dec 2014, 12:23 am

Olly - well and good if Jerome can get you a few goals but I would only regard him as a squad player even at Championship level.

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