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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 4:52 pm

According to BBC's Nick robinson............After OFCOM rules the Green party out !!

More likely he's looking for any way out..............After all he's got nothing to gain from being involved in the first place...On a hiding to nothing !!

Cammy there are going to be debates and you'll have to show up, Mate !!!!!!!

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 4:56 pm

Weird. He'd fare fine in them. And destory Ed Milliband, that's for sure.

So why wouldn't he want them?

Or is everyone running scared of UKIP..........??

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Post by Duty281 on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 4:58 pm

Cameron would not be too bad on the debates, certainly better than Miliband and Clegg, but probably outclassed by Farage.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 5:04 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Weird.  He'd fare fine in them. And destory Ed Milliband, that's for sure.

So why wouldn't he want them?

Or is everyone running scared of UKIP..........??

Thing is Ed Miliband's figures are rock bottom so there's no value in that....

Also the Lib's will have to attack him to get "Differentiation".Or else vote Lib get Con etc...........Plus Labour and UKIP will be sticking the boot in as one wants to be the next Government and UKIP's vote is 2/3 Tory and they'll want to keep it !!

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 08 Jan 2015, 5:11 pm

Good point re Ed.

He's utterly shocking, everyone, even his own party as well as the electorate, think he's cack. BUT Tories are so toxic that it isn't preventing Labour retaining a marginal poll lead. Ergo smashing him in a TV debate wouldn't really gain anything.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 09 Jan 2015, 10:44 am

Gone down like a lead balloon..........

Bad advice.............Now every leader and party is calling him a coward...

He wants out of the debates but he has to get a better reason than this..

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Post by Derbymanc on Fri 09 Jan 2015, 10:46 am

Think it is what it looks like..... A flimsy excuse to get out of doing the debates.

Very silly by Cameron and if people think he's too weak to take part in debates then they may start to think he's too weak to run the country.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 09 Jan 2015, 10:50 am

It was opportunism that wasn't thought through...Derby..

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 09 Jan 2015, 5:58 pm

And Cameron has pulled out of "Leaders Live"; something which Farage, Clegg and Miliband attended.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/chicken-david-cameron-ducks-another-4949063

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Post by aja424 on Sun 11 Jan 2015, 9:06 am

Too much is being placed on personality and how quick thinking they are whilst on live air.
If only they were honest when talking about intentions and policies.
As a public service worker I will be voting Labour regardless of how Milliband comes across on these debates.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sun 11 Jan 2015, 11:33 pm

I'm not a fan of Ed...But will vote Labour...My Wife has right leanings but thinks UKIP are quacks and Cameron is a t*t.

She will probably not vote....As for Rob he changes his mind all the time but as it's his first time....He'll probably vote

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 9:01 am

aja424 wrote:Too much is being placed on personality and how quick thinking they are whilst on live air.
If only they were honest when talking about intentions and policies.
As a public service worker I will be voting Labour regardless of how Milliband comes across on these debates.

A common trait and probably part of the reason Tories are so keen to cut the public sector!

Bit like how they're probably happy for SNP to take over Labour's seats in Scotland.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 10:17 am

Snp winning seats still leaves Cameron short...

Labour will keep most of them...With tactical voting..

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Post by Azzy on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 10:19 am

While he obviously has his own political reasons for doing so, I think Cameron should be applauded for highlighting the existence of the Green Party to the electorate. So many people wouldn't even know they existed any more, and if any of the UKIP voters go over to the Greens, that's better for Fat Dave and for our country.

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Post by aja424 on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 10:42 am

So basically public sector workers need to vote to keep their jobs, let's hope they realise situation and get out to vote this election.
Can't see Green Party taking any UKIP voters to be honest. Maybe Cameron thinks that voters with green Party tendencies will be swayed by his stance on the Green Party participation and give him the vote?

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Post by Azzy on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 10:48 am

I think the thinking would be that anyone voting UKIP isn't taking politics seriously, so throwing the Greens in there may take some votes away from them. It's the Lib Dems who are going to lose out to UKIP anyway, not the Tories.

If we end up with either the Tories or Labour needing to make a coalition with UKIP, we are so royally screwed. Can you imagine.

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Post by Derbymanc on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 10:51 am

Lets hope that some of the public sector starts to get an overhaul. Too many people on bloated wages doing next to nothing whilst getting paid a shedload.
At the same time it's about time we started recognising some of the public sector that works their nuts off to make things better for us all.

Think it's exactly what it looks like from Cameron, him running scared. Using the greens as an excuse as he knows the argument then opens for everyone.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 10:55 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Snp winning seats still leaves Cameron short...

Labour will keep most of them...With tactical voting..

Don't think they will.

What might happen though is a Tory win, but not with a majority, and Labour coming to power in a Labour-SNP-PC-Green coalition.

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Post by Azzy on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 11:03 am

I fail to see what Cameron has to be scared of. He trumped Clegg and Brown in the last debates (not difficult), now he has Clegg (universally hated), Miliband (universally laughed at) and Farage. He's the only question mark.

The debates will see those three attack the Tories' achievements, or lack thereof. I cannot fathom why anyone would place any stock in Farage tearing Cameron a new one. The only thing these debates will show is that the Lib Dems are a spent force, Labour chose the wrong Miliband, Farage is indeed a lunatic, and that Cameron is doing a difficult job badly.

I'd rather have the Greens in it, give us a fresh perspective. However for the life of me I couldn't tell you who the leader of the Greens is.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 11:05 am

Cameron has nothing to be scared of. That's why it's such a bad move.

Though, like Truss says, he's little to gain either because nobody can stand Ed or Clegg therefore trouncing them in a debate won't deal with Tories main issue - their toxic image.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 11:08 am

No interest in hearing from the Greens. A diabolically bad party, absolutely uselss. You can talk about DC doing a difficult job badly, but that's nothing compared to the mess the Greens have made of Brighton!!

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Post by Azzy on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 11:08 am

My problem with voting Labour is that not only do you get Miliband, but you also get Ed 'Mad Max' Balls and Chukka 'I hate everyone' Umunna. No party with characters like those will ever get my vote. Same with BoJo, the second he's an MP, I could never vote Tory. I'm actually going to end up voting Green myself at this rate.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 11:12 am

Cameron has everything to be scared of...

1. It cost him victory last time..

2. Miliband is so lowly regarded he has nothing to lose personally...

3. Libs are so desperate to differentiate between themselves and the Tories they'll have to stick in the boot as well as Labour and UKIP

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 5:12 pm

Tories six points up in Ashcroft poll........One away from a majority !!.............

Labour five points up on Populus..............Already have a majority !!.............

Take your pick..

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Post by Steffan on Mon 12 Jan 2015, 5:52 pm

I have a good feeling that Plaid could beat the Blue Tories in this election in Wales. No chance of outing the Red Tories. South Wales where the majority of the population live are still Carwyn lovers. I think it will be a bad election for the Blue Tories in Wales either way

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