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Post by KP_fan on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 7:12 am

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Warm Up game between Ind and Aus ongoing...
it's an official ODI...though after so much cricket why do these sides need a "warm-up"

India's bowling in melt-down and the two most dangerous guys in Aus side Warner and Maxwell get 100s

Looks like Ind will be chasing 375
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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 9:45 am

Finch has just dropped the MoM award.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 9:47 am

Wow amazingly when Australia score a lot of runs, they win the games.

Great work statistician, genius
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 9:49 am

"I'm just looking at what I see."

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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 9:51 am

Watson is so slow... like a big, fat lazy bear.

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Post by kingraf on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 9:51 am

I see Morgan is still hunting ducks. it's a miraculously poor run of form he's in at the moment. Been dismissed five times for two runs in his past 24 deliveries. Incredibly poor.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 9:52 am

Olly wrote:Wow amazingly when Australia score a lot of runs, they win the games.

Great work statistician, genius

And when England take wickets and don't concede runs they win games.

Mind blowing stuff
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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:10 am

The Loaded Dog wrote:It was only Root.

Only our best batsmen you mean!!

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:12 am

kingraf wrote:I see Morgan is still hunting ducks. it's a miraculously poor run of form he's in at the moment. Been dismissed five times for two runs in his past 24 deliveries. Incredibly poor.

He should never have got the arm band. We should have stuck to the plan we had been working a year or so two.

Morgan has averaged about 3 in the last year..

Then after failing in the WC time to change. But don't change the captaincy from one dodgy batsman to another(form wise)

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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:16 am

mystiroakey wrote:
The Loaded Dog wrote:It was only Root.

Only our best batsmen you mean!!

Not powerful enough for this type of chase. He's never looked comfortable here in Oz.

Just wish Australia would reset the intensity in their game... they seem to be drifting. Maybe they are just tired?
Would be good if they could win this match by more than 98 runs if possible. Surely they are aware of this.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:18 am

Taylor you legend.

Root needs to stay about if we are going to do well. Great rotator of strike , finds gaps. And these days you don't need much power. Due to the bats and on these surfaces He was also our best batsman in Aus during the ashes whitewash

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:20 am

they talked the talk Aus and now are walking the walk
Inpsite of smith , watson and warner failing...they still put up an imposing total minus Faulkner and Marsh didn't let Faulkner be missed with the ball either.
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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:23 am

aus have lost 1 odi in about 15.

They have been walking the walk for sometime

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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:23 am

Thought Stokes hit it cleaner and more powerfully.

Root seems too edgy and looks nervous at the crease in my opinion. Not a real threat to decent bowling.
However, I understand there isn't much pressure on his position... which says a lot about the quality of batting in England. Sad really.

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:28 am

Taylor should be playing tests also.
Eng should not lose hope.....even if the game is gone.....they must try to reduce the gap.......it's a tournament and easier options ahead of them
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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:28 am

Great player IMO.

Has the range . But yes more of a test batter. Gritty performer..I think you are judging him on only a few games.


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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:29 am

Taylor well deffo get in the next test squad.

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Post by JDizzle on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:30 am

That's just how Root looks at the crease. Taylor looks the same and it is 70*. It's just the Aussie mind set who love a big chested, loudmouth,cocky slugger. Wink

I didn't see the Aussie innings, but I agree with Sir Ian. Why didn't England just bowl six perfect yorkers an over for the last 15 overs? Seems stupid to me.

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Post by kingraf on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:31 am

Indeed. Morgan shouldn't have gotten the gig. It's easy to say in hindsight, but I said it at the time. Ad nauseum. It's one thing to pick a new captain in a "handover" where he has been groomed for it, and form is irrelevant in the "bigger picture". A complete other to fire and drop your skip and replace him with literally the only guy who was in a bigger rut than him. It was never gonna work. at least in the short term (all ruts are temporary, and Morgan will be back).
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Post by KP_fan on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:33 am

on current form Starc looks the best bowler in the world
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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:33 am

We were never going to get those runs. But it would have been nice to have got a bit closer. Anyway a game most had written of..

Next up NZ. Tough game but one we at least can win

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Post by JDizzle on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:34 am

SL didn't look great against NZ either, so if we can win that and put away the associates then we should have a managable QF.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:34 am

JDizzle wrote:That's just how Root looks at the crease. Taylor looks the same and it is 70*. It's just the Aussie mind set who love a big chested, loudmouth,cocky slugger. Wink

I didn't see the Aussie innings, but I agree with Sir Ian. Why didn't England just bowl six perfect yorkers an over for the last 15 overs? Seems stupid to me.

Even smith looks edgy at the crease. Yet he has been the batter of the year.

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Post by kingraf on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:35 am

Lol... Why didn't you bowl the exact same delivery 90 times in a row? Ignoring the difficulty of getting a yorker right, that might be the most outdated worst worst piece of commentary I've heard in the last year and a bit... and I had to listen to Holding try big up West Indians averaging 20 with the bat.
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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:37 am

kingraf wrote:Indeed. Morgan shouldn't have gotten the gig. It's easy to say in hindsight, but I said it at the time. Ad nauseum. It's one thing to pick a new captain in a "handover" where he has been groomed for it, and form is irrelevant in the "bigger picture". A complete other to fire and drop your skip and replace him with literally the only guy who was in a bigger rut than him. It was never gonna work. at least in the short term (all ruts are temporary, and Morgan will be back).

As did I. I said let's leave cook alone he has to captain this World Cup and drop morgan back to county.

Yes mogs could have been the new capo. But he needed to earn it..

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Post by JDizzle on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:39 am

It'll probably get reviewed at the end of the WC, but let's not pretend Cook didn't need to go. He clearly wasn't the sole problem, but he was a big one. Then it came down to Bell/Morgan/Root, no outstanding candidate.

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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:47 am

JDizzle wrote:That's just how Root looks at the crease. Taylor looks the same and it is 70*. It's just the Aussie mind set who love a big chested, loudmouth,cocky slugger. Wink

No, I think Taylor has played superbly today against all odds. He deserves a big one.
Small and compact player... gets better the longer he's out there in the centre.

I think the decision to send Australia into bat was a brave one. If they had held those couple of catches, then it could have been a different story... but even at 70/5 or so... they probably would have still cobbled together around 270-80 again like the last match. 343 was almost certainly beyond England's reach unless most of our bowling was going to be horribly off form. (I think that might happen in Auckland again though! Nightmares from '92 still...)

I thought the 30th over PP was a good move. That caught England a little off guard... forced a reshuffle of the final 20 overs (more on Australia's terms) which was then duly taken advantage of. The acceleration at the end was pretty special.

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Post by kingraf on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:47 am

If Cook was SA captain averaging 30 in the last two years, he wouldn't have been dropped heading into a major tournament. If he had a poor tournament, the status quo would have been reassessed.

Its also difficult to buy that he was in any way a major problem, when the scores haven't gotten higher, the bowling hasn't gotten any less abject. Removing large problems normally yields improvements, by definition. If anyone would care to show me where these improvements have come as a direct result of dropping Cook, I'd be most grateful. Just seems the continuation of the beatings which have dominated English cricke
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Post by KP_fan on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:49 am

Taylor reminds me of Rahane
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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:50 am

Kingraf you are spot on IMO. But many on here were calling for his head. We wre just not a great ODI team . We should have stuck with what we had been planning the year on. There is only one player that could have made any difference and we all know who he is.

We will have to reevaluate this team post WC anyway.

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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:50 am

mystiroakey wrote:

Next up NZ. Tough game but one we at least can win

My money would be on NZ for that one. Have you seen how well they have been playing... esp. at home?
I even reckon they will beat Australia. They are our biggest hurdle in this group.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:53 am

NZ favs v England , but I think we have a shot.

I can't see you losing v them, if anyone.

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Post by JDizzle on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:55 am

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JDizzle wrote:That's just how Root looks at the crease. Taylor looks the same and it is 70*. It's just the Aussie mind set who love a big chested, loudmouth,cocky slugger. Wink

No, I think Taylor has played superbly today against all odds. He deserves a big one.
Small and compact player... gets better the longer he's out there in the centre.

I think the decision to send Australia into bat was a brave one. If they had held those couple of catches, then it could have been a different story... but even at 70/5 or so... they probably would have still cobbled together around 270-80 again like the last match. 343 was almost certainly beyond England's reach unless most of our bowling was going to be horribly off form. (I think that might happen in Auckland again though! Nightmares from '92 still...)

I thought the 30th over PP was a good move. That caught England a little off guard... forced a reshuffle of the final 20 overs (more on Australia's terms) which was then duly taken advantage of. The acceleration at the end was pretty special.

He's still looked twitchy though, it's the way he plays. You can play well and look fidgety is my point, it's not mutually exclusive.

If England had any ability in setting a total they probably would have batted first, but we just can't do it. We are far better at chasing down scores, not much of a claim given how bat we are at setting totals, as long as they aren't 340! You've just got to take wickets as well, with the 4 men out, the drop of Finch was crucial and with wickets in hand Australia have enough quality and depth in their batting that they are going to cause carnage in the last 10/15.

Nothing new learned here really for Aus, still comfortable favourites for this WC.

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Post by JDizzle on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:55 am

Nooooo Jimmmyyyyy.

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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:56 am

Miles down leg.

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Post by JDizzle on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:57 am

How can they be checking the run out? He's been given out LBW... It should be dead, surely?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:57 am

Balls dead once given out
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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:58 am

Completely missed the run out... agree with Taylor. Isn't the ball dead after the failed lbw review?

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:58 am

Gotta feel for Taylor there.

What a shame..

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Post by JDizzle on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:58 am

Mugged off. Awful. I don't get that at all.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:58 am

Umpires don't even know the Frak rules

What a shambles
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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 10:59 am

It didn't effect the result. That's as obvious as the sun coming up.. But it's cost the lad a 100

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Post by JDizzle on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 11:00 am

Gutted for Jimmy. Totally the umpires fault, there would be no argument about the run out if the umpire didn't get the original call wrong too. But that's not England's fault.

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 11:01 am

Technology creates a mess in the end....because of it's presence......all umpires, TV umps referees shut their brain
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 11:04 am

KP_fan wrote:Technology creates a mess in the end....because of it's presence......all umpires, TV umps referees shut their brain

Sigh
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Post by JDizzle on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 11:05 am

I can only assume that that is the rules in case of a scenario like scores tied with a ball to go, umpire gives an incorrect LBW that stops a team scrambling through for one? Seems ridiculous though. Gutted for Jimmy though, massively.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 11:09 am



Umpires wrong, shouldn't be allowed to umpire another game all tournament
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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 11:09 am

Bit of a let down that game. I was probably hoping for a closer contest.

Not too crazy on the broadcast today. Star? Just barely acceptable.
They stuffed up the pictures and sound for a while... and the camera angles seemed out? Might help if they can get the ball in the frame too!
No idea why they slow down the point of the bowler's release when reviewing an lbw. There was no question of a no-ball... why waste time on it?
The music is already starting to irritate as well. Not sure that trashy noise creates a good atmosphere for a WC match.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 11:24 am

Yeah I thought I was tripping out at one point. What was going on with those close frames jumping about.

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Post by kingraf on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 11:33 am

It's a difficult rule to actually enforce though. Horribly stuffed up in this case, but it's a difficult piece of cricket to properly legislate. If a batsman edges (close to his pads one for four, and the bowling team appeal for LBW, and the finger raises before the ball reaches the boundary: how do you treat that when the batter has a successful review?
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Post by JDizzle on Sat 14 Feb 2015, 11:39 am

kingraf wrote:It's a difficult rule to actually enforce though. Horribly stuffed up in this case, but it's a difficult piece of cricket to properly legislate. If a batsman edges (close to his pads one for four, and the bowling team appeal for LBW, and the finger raises before the ball reaches the boundary: how do you treat that when the batter has a successful review?

Not out and no runs. That's the law/playing condition.

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