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Post by Derbymanc on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 11:50 am

Looks like Blair is coming back to give Miliband a hand. What are all of your thoughts on this and would it sway your vote one way or the other.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/07/tony-blair-to-help-ed-miliband-during-general-election-campaign_n_6638172.html

Personally wouldn't vote for Labour anyway but if I was to be tempted this has turned me full on against them.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 7:35 pm

He was put in a spot...............He's been carping on about Ed Miliband so Miliband's team said would you be able to help ??.... to try to shut him up !!..

What could he say ??

He'll pretend to help and then put an X for ther Tory on Election day....

Blair may help should Mandelson types up though........

Problem is should Ed win.......... .New Labour is finished...

The Tories war chest is so big.............I can't see it !!

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 10:49 am

If it can help repair Labour's shattered business confidence it can be a good thing.

Blair was able to find a balance between pro-business but socialist values, and it kept him in power for a record time, Ed needs that now. His political career is only surviving due to Tories' toxic image. Nobody thinks Ed is any good, or capable, and many don't even think much of Labour - but a lot hate the Tories.

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Post by Guest on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 10:56 am

Probably as helpful as Gary Glitter getting a "from beyond the grave" character reference for Jimmy Saville

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 10:59 am

I think Blair is yesterday's Man............His legacy is Iraq...........

I'd use him sparingly.........

Mili needs to worry about the core vote and Lib defectors..........Gives him a firewall...

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Post by dummy_half on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 1:33 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:If it can help repair Labour's shattered business confidence it can be a good thing.

Blair was able to find a balance between pro-business but socialist values, and it kept him in power for a record time, Ed needs that now. His political career is only surviving due to Tories' toxic image. Nobody thinks Ed is any good, or capable, and many don't even think much of Labour - but a lot hate the Tories.

And here is why British politics is in such a mess at the moment. Two main parties led by leaders that most people don't rate, backed up by even greater non-entities (yes, George Osbourne, I am talking about you), while the traditional party of protest voters has made itself toxic by its abject failure in the coalition. Into the vacuum we get UKIP, a bunch of reactionary numpties (as can be seen by the number of gaffes that prospective candidates have managed recently), and the Green Party, whose manifesto is the biggest load of 'pie in the sky' nonsense ever...

As for Blair being an asset to Labour, I am seriously unconvinced that he would sway anyone to vote for them - the legacy of Iraq and his perceived lack of trustworthiness are big turn-offs, and with him not being in a position of power he can't offer anything the Tories aren't already doing with regard to the economy.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 3:10 pm

DC is rated a LOT higher than Ed.

Almost every survey that comes out think DC & Gideon are a more capable and more competent pairing than Red Ed & Balls. But people don't LIKE the stories, what they stand for or a lot of what they're doing.

Hence Labour vote.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 3:19 pm

Major and Clarke were higher than Blair and Brown...........

Because they were in office and the Labour boys weren't....

It's nothing new........If someone has never done the job his ratings aren't going to be as high....


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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 4:33 pm

Sounds like a naff excuse to me. People don't want Ed&Balls in office.

But they don't want to Tories in either.

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Post by Rowley on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 4:40 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Sounds like a naff excuse to me.  People don't want Ed&Balls in office.

But they don't want to Tories in either.

That about sums this election up, which choice (and I use the term loosely) makes you hold your nose the least when you mark your X on the paper.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 6:25 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Sounds like a naff excuse to me.  People don't want Ed&Balls in office.

But they don't want to Tories in either.

I want Ed Balls and Miliband in office...........and as Labour are up in every poll again....I'm not the only one..

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 10:03 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Sounds like a naff excuse to me.  People don't want Ed&Balls in office.

But they don't want to Tories in either.

I want Ed Balls and Miliband in office...........and as Labour are up in every poll again....I'm not the only one..

Come again?

wo of our regular Monday polls are out:

The weekly Lord Ashcroft poll has topline figures of CON 34%, LAB 31%, LDEM 9%, UKIP 14%, GRN 6%. Full tabs are here.
The twice weekly Populus poll has toplines of CON 33%, LAB 34%, LDEM 8%, UKIP 15%, GRN 4%. Full tabs are here.

Later on tonight we have the regular daily YouGov poll for the Sun – I’ll update then.

UPDATE: The YouGov/Sun poll has topline figures of CON 34%, LAB 33%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 14%, GRN 7%. Three polls today, two with Conservative leads, one with a Labour lead. It looks as though were are still in a position of having the parties almost neck-and-neck with each other.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 11:26 am

Changed today have they............

Okay............But it doesn't change the fact that 30+% want Miliband and Balls and you are as thick as poo pie...

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 11:49 am

Good grief.

More than one in three want Miliband and Balls in office?

The end of England is in sight: just under three months now.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 11:55 am

Are you UKIP this week or Tory

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 12:01 pm

Do you persist with that because you have nothing else to add? laughing

Both - both! - are necessary to defeat the combined efforts of the Labour and SNP parties, as well as hinder the Liberal Democrats and the Greens.

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Post by superflyweight on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 12:45 pm

Duty281 wrote:Do you persist with that because you have nothing else to add? laughing

Both - both! - are necessary to defeat the combined efforts of the Labour and SNP parties, as well as hinder the Liberal Democrats and the Greens.

We recently saw 16-18 year olds given the vote in the Scottish referendum and contrary to initial fears, they appear (generally speaking) to have been amongst the most considered and well informed of voters on the ballot. Having initially thought is was a bad (and cynical) idea, I now think the voting age should be reduced to 16 as the youth demographic demonstrated that their thoughts should be considered in any political discourse.

Duty's post is, of course, the exception that proves the rule.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 12:51 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Changed today have they............

Okay............But it doesn't change the fact that 30+% want Miliband and Balls and you are as thick as poo pie...

Still stuggling to justify any of the cr@p you say then......?

Those Polls are for LABOUR versus TORY. Not DC&Gideon versus Ed&Ed.

How thick are you that you can't understand that? I know you're American, would it help if someone drew it in buffoon-friendly cartoon form??

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Post by Guest on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 12:52 pm

maybe Ed should get a tattoo

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 1:55 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Changed today have they............

Okay............But it doesn't change the fact that 30+% want Miliband and Balls and you are as thick as poo pie...

Still stuggling to justify any of the cr@p you say then......?

Those Polls are for LABOUR versus TORY.  Not DC&Gideon versus Ed&Ed.

How thick are you that you can't understand that? I know you're American, would it help if someone drew it in buffoon-friendly cartoon form??

Justified everything..............It's a well known fact that If I've never done your job............In a poll over who's best at it... I'm going to come out worse...

Are you pretending to be thick ??

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 2:14 pm

.But it doesn't change the fact that 30+% want Miliband and Balls
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Where's this then? Where'd you get that from??

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 2:31 pm

It's obvious.........

Let's just agree to disagree..............You're boring me..

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 3:30 pm

superflyweight wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Do you persist with that because you have nothing else to add? laughing

Both - both! - are necessary to defeat the combined efforts of the Labour and SNP parties, as well as hinder the Liberal Democrats and the Greens.

We recently saw 16-18 year olds given the vote in the Scottish referendum and contrary to initial fears, they appear (generally speaking) to have been amongst the most considered and well informed of voters on the ballot.  Having initially thought is was a bad (and cynical) idea, I now think the voting age should be reduced to 16 as the youth demographic demonstrated that their thoughts should be considered in any political discourse.

Duty's post is, of course, the exception that proves the rule.  

And there was me thinking that eighteen year-olds have had the vote for around four decades, not just for the Scottish referendum!

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Post by superflyweight on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 4:30 pm

Pedant.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 6:00 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:It's obvious.........

Let's just agree to disagree..............You're boring me..

So no, you can't then.

You're a fooking idiot that can't catch the nuggets of stupidity before they tumble out your mouth and onto your keyboard.

30% of those polled want LABOUR in office. That's what those polls say. They don't say Labour are leading, as YOU suggested, and they don't say people what Ed&Ed ahead of Cam&Gid, as YOU said.

Stick to Yank fanfare politics where it's all style and no substance, people won't care when you're talking baloney then.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 6:01 pm

superflyweight wrote:Pedant.  

Caught out by Duty.....


Hang your head, sir.....

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 6:36 pm

He isn't the first, nor shall he be the last! #arroganttilltheend

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Post by The Fourth Lion on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 7:17 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Looks like Blair is coming back to give Miliband a hand. What are all of your thoughts on this and would it sway your vote one way or the other.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/07/tony-blair-to-help-ed-miliband-during-general-election-campaign_n_6638172.html

Personally wouldn't vote for Labour anyway but if I was to be tempted this has turned me full on against them.


Blair is a war criminal who should be on trial in The Hague, and with the Chilcott Report into the Iraq War due to be published in the not too distant future, Miliband might be asking for trouble going to the hustings in the company of a man who, it is being hinted, will come in for considerable criticism for lying to Parliament.

The Labour Party would do well to treat Blair as a pariah. They certainly wouldn't lose any votes for that.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 9:58 pm

Chilcott won't come out before GE15..

I do think the Blair effect either way will be negligible..

He's old news..

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Post by superflyweight on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 7:08 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:Pedant.  

Caught out by Duty.....


Hang your head, sir.....

Hardly - the point is still valid - Duty is an idiot.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 9:16 am

The Fourth Lion wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Looks like Blair is coming back to give Miliband a hand. What are all of your thoughts on this and would it sway your vote one way or the other.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/07/tony-blair-to-help-ed-miliband-during-general-election-campaign_n_6638172.html

Personally wouldn't vote for Labour anyway but if I was to be tempted this has turned me full on against them.


Blair is a war criminal who should be on trial in The Hague, and with the Chilcott Report into the Iraq War due to be published in the not too distant future, Miliband might be asking for trouble going to the hustings in the company of a man who, it is being hinted, will come in for considerable criticism for lying to Parliament.

The Labour Party would do well to treat Blair as a pariah.  They certainly wouldn't lose any votes for that.

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Looking forward to seeing how you continue your 'mission' on the forum........ laughing

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 3:46 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
The Fourth Lion wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Looks like Blair is coming back to give Miliband a hand. What are all of your thoughts on this and would it sway your vote one way or the other.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/07/tony-blair-to-help-ed-miliband-during-general-election-campaign_n_6638172.html

Personally wouldn't vote for Labour anyway but if I was to be tempted this has turned me full on against them.


Blair is a war criminal who should be on trial in The Hague, and with the Chilcott Report into the Iraq War due to be published in the not too distant future, Miliband might be asking for trouble going to the hustings in the company of a man who, it is being hinted, will come in for considerable criticism for lying to Parliament.

The Labour Party would do well to treat Blair as a pariah.  They certainly wouldn't lose any votes for that.

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Looking forward to seeing how you continue your 'mission' on the forum........ laughing

Poor old Tony he 's I'm sure he's expecting a State funeral when he dies............Anyway you aren't supposed to remember the dodgy dossier...........It was all about regime change.... didn't you know ??

Rob Lee wouldn't take money for writing his memoirs about his great battles at Gaines Mill, Gettysburg and malvern Hill etc etc because he regarded it as trading on the blood of his Men.....

This scumbag will take money off anybody and everybody.............

He's just complete scum..

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Post by The Fourth Lion on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 6:58 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
The Fourth Lion wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Looks like Blair is coming back to give Miliband a hand. What are all of your thoughts on this and would it sway your vote one way or the other.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/07/tony-blair-to-help-ed-miliband-during-general-election-campaign_n_6638172.html

Personally wouldn't vote for Labour anyway but if I was to be tempted this has turned me full on against them.


Blair is a war criminal who should be on trial in The Hague, and with the Chilcott Report into the Iraq War due to be published in the not too distant future, Miliband might be asking for trouble going to the hustings in the company of a man who, it is being hinted, will come in for considerable criticism for lying to Parliament.

The Labour Party would do well to treat Blair as a pariah.  They certainly wouldn't lose any votes for that.

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Looking forward to seeing how you continue your 'mission' on the forum........ laughing


How many of your mates were killed in Iraq, chummy..?

Having seen action in two wars on active service and also served with NATO forces as a reservist in Kosovo, I reckon I've done my bit for Queen and country.  Lads I joined up with were killed in the Falklands.   I still work in a Naval training establishment and have seen mates go off to Iraq and the 'Stan, and come back minus limbs.  I was lucky.  I came through 37 years active and reserve service with life and limb intact, and I respect those I served with who weren't so fortunate.

You may think it's a big joke, but a lot of good men died because of Blair.   I reckon they're entitled to a bit of respect.  They were sent on an unwinnable mission for the vanity and profit of a scumbag who jumped on the bandwagon of an illiterate American moron.

Question:    How many politicians sons fought in Iraq and Afghanistan?

I suggest you have a little think before you make light of what Blair did, and those who have been there and seen war at first hand.

Yes, mate... you make your cheap jokes and have a good laugh.   There are better men than you out there who have every reason to hold Blair in utter contempt.

And when you've given some service, then you can come back from whatever conflict area you served in and call me the diva.
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:05 am

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Classic 4L! Pompous, arrogant, lecturing, "woe is me", "I'm so important" etc etc

Keep spreading that 'message' 4L. I'll keep enjoying the show!

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:15 pm

This tax avoidance stuff could hurt the Tories....Doesn't play well with hard working families... Especially when muppets say everyone is at it...

You've got an opening here Ed....Take advantage !!

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Post by Duty281 on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 11:46 pm

superflyweight wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:Pedant.  

Caught out by Duty.....


Hang your head, sir.....

Hardly - the point is still valid - Duty is an idiot.  

How will I ever compete with such intellect?!

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Post by Duty281 on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 11:54 pm

I shall mention another hindrance to the Labour party: Harriet Harman.

I mean - driving around in a pink van will galvanise female voters, according to her warped logic. Patrionising, backward, laughable stuff.

And rather vile to hear that she said Labour's policy on domestic violence would offer something to women voters.

Why is that, Ms. Harman? Are men not the victims of domestic abuse as well?

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Post by superflyweight on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 7:09 am

Duty281 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:Pedant.  

Caught out by Duty.....


Hang your head, sir.....

Hardly - the point is still valid - Duty is an idiot.  

How will I ever compete with such intellect?!

You could try forming balanced opinions rather than relying on a rather limited, black and white view of the world.

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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 9:30 am

superflyweight wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:Pedant.  

Caught out by Duty.....


Hang your head, sir.....

Hardly - the point is still valid - Duty is an idiot.  

How will I ever compete with such intellect?!

You could try forming balanced opinions rather than relying on a rather limited, black and white view of the world.  

Now, now chaps. Let's keep things civil. Wink

We all know Duty is more like your 50 shades of grey... with a bit of pink, red and blue thrown in.
No yucky green or that yellow bile-looking colour, thanks!

Right Deuce? Very Happy
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 11:06 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:This tax avoidance stuff could hurt the Tories....Doesn't play well with hard working families... Especially when muppets say everyone is at it...

You've got an opening here Ed....Take advantage !!

Indeed, because I think Tory hard stance on benefit scroungers does actually win them votes (not just from posh/rich twits but actually from hard-working low-income people who hate that they bust a gut to earn £20k pa whilst others sit around doing f-all) but those votes begin to get lost when at the other end of the spectrum Tories are too close to tax 'managing' rich people.

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 12:34 pm

superflyweight wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:Pedant.  

Caught out by Duty.....


Hang your head, sir.....

Hardly - the point is still valid - Duty is an idiot.  

How will I ever compete with such intellect?!

You could try forming balanced opinions rather than relying on a rather limited, black and white view of the world.  

They are perfectly balanced, dear fellow.

And as I need not resort to insults - rather paradoxical insults at that - I think I am fairly secure in such opinions.


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Post by Duty281 on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 12:36 pm

The Loaded Dog wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:Pedant.  

Caught out by Duty.....


Hang your head, sir.....

Hardly - the point is still valid - Duty is an idiot.  

How will I ever compete with such intellect?!

You could try forming balanced opinions rather than relying on a rather limited, black and white view of the world.  

Now, now chaps. Let's keep things civil. Wink

We all know Duty is more like your 50 shades of grey... with a bit of pink, red and blue thrown in.
No yucky green or that yellow bile-looking colour, thanks!

Right Deuce? Very Happy

Rainbow all the way! thumbsup

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 4:35 pm

Yougov.....................Labour 34 ...Tories 31...........Ukip 15.........Lib 7

Populus.....................Labour 34....Tories 31...........UKIP 14........Lib 9

This Tax avoidance stuff is hurting the Tories..........

Gotta keep pushing it...........

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 5:38 pm

Ipsos Mori has Lab 36 Con 34

Nothing in it essentially.

Approval ratings are funny thoL Clegg -41% and Ed -35% whereas Cameron is only -14%. Helps prove my earlier point.

Especially when you add in that 63% disagree that Ed was "reading to be PM".

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 5:44 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Ipsos Mori has Lab 36 Con 34

Nothing in it essentially.

Approval ratings are funny thoL Clegg -41% and Ed -35% whereas Cameron is only -14%.  Helps prove my earlier point.

Especially when you add in that 63% disagree that Ed was "reading to be PM".

The trend is Labour moving up...........All about trends.....

Major had a higher rating than Cameron...............Callaghan was higher than Thatcher.........




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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 16 Feb 2015, 12:31 pm

Trend?

Is it bollox. Laughable riposte.

Tax evasion/HSBC is hurting the Tories somewhat, hence the couple of points swing, but still not enough to give Labour a majority.

At least is gives Red Ed something else to flip-flop to since everything else he's tried has failed. Economic plan not working - fail. Cost of living 'crisis' - fail. Etc etc....

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 16 Feb 2015, 1:05 pm

Labour has 9% lead in the marginals.............That's before tactical voting...

Comres poll.................What will you be voting for on the 2015 ??............

66% - The Party with the best policies.........

12% - The best leader !!!.............

Oh dear.............. Laugh

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 16 Feb 2015, 1:38 pm

Thank you for proving my point, nice when you fall into line so complicitly.

All about where the plastic UKIPers place their actual 'X' in May....

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 16 Feb 2015, 1:58 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Thank you for proving my point, nice when you fall into line so complicitly.

All about where the plastic UKIPers place their actual 'X' in May....

Polls seem to suggest they are pretty stubborn at the moment....

You're a typical Tory/Republican.............

Polls only count when they are good..........

Megan Kelly (Fox news)...."The polls have Obama ahead but we can't trust the polls"..........."It's not popular ...52% of Americans according to Rasmussen don't want the Obama Healthcare plan"........ Cool

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 16 Feb 2015, 1:59 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Thank you for proving my point, nice when you fall into line so complicitly.

All about where the plastic UKIPers place their actual 'X' in May....

It shall be going into the UKIP box, ever so nicely.

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