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Post by ShahenshahG on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 5:06 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2945979/British-man-kills-German-tourist-posh-Spanish-resort-catching-filming-daughter-iPad.html

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Post by ShahenshahG on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 5:54 pm

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Post by PaulHv2 on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 6:52 pm

Can't imagine myself in that situation Shah, certainly not how I'd react. I have no doubts there would be a huge urge to punch the guy in the face. Sadly it is likely he will go to jail for doing a good dead.
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Post by ShahenshahG on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 6:57 pm

hampo171 wrote:Can't imagine myself in that situation Shah, certainly not how I'd react. I have no doubts there would be a huge urge to punch the guy in the face. Sadly it is likely he will go to jail for doing a good dead.

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Post by kingraf on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 6:58 pm

Much as I understand the behaviour... You can't just go around killing people because they have paedophilia-type material on their pads.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 7:40 pm

Yeah, killing people isnt really something you can just do.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 7:51 pm

Here's a question on this, a man can defend his home should a burglar break in, this man has taken action to defend his daughter, far more valuable than anything that can be bought, should he really be treated differently? Not for me, chances of this guy killing another person are unlikely as he's clearly acted to protect his daughter.


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Post by ShahenshahG on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 7:54 pm

Aye, although, it should be pointed out he didnt stab him or something, he just beat the Poopie out of him/or knocked him out with a single punch depending on reports, not premeditated just an explosive reaction to his daughter being filmed by some pervert. Guy died later in hospital.

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Post by kingraf on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 4:01 am

Random Eye Witness wrote: ‘Then Devinder went crazy and started hitting
Sandro. He must have hit him at least 20 times
in the face and head.

Explosive, yes. But it's still a vicious assault on a man, especially if you're an avid boxing fan, and apparently Navy Seal fit. I'm not pretending I can't see why he did it. I can. But there's a reason the law is in place.


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Post by PaulHv2 on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 4:28 am

Random eye witnesses aren't exactly the most reliable people to be honest, how many people do you think saw this creep taking pictures of kids at the public swimming pool but didn't say anything? I'd wager a fair few.

Guy got what he deserved, end of the day this bloke would have ruined the lives of several young children given the chance, most parents would have acting in defence of their family in the way this man did, maybe not to the same extent but as I said, if you can protect your home from a break in, then you should be able to protect your family from the slime of humanity. This guy is going to get a longer prison sentence for protecting a child than the peado would have done for ruining children's lives.
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Post by Mind the windows Tino. on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 9:09 am

hampo171 wrote:end of the day this bloke would have ruined the lives of several young children given the chance

End of what day? As gruesome as it is, there are degrees of pedophilia. Having images on your PC and feeling up kids are different things. You're doing nothing more than emotionally speculating as to whether he 'ruins' the lives of any children. As far as I am aware, he was charged with 'possessing' child images, not actually doing anything sexual with children. They are the facts. As I said, they are gruesome, but that's what they are.

"Guy got what he deserved"

Possibly, but what does the attackers children now get? A father who will probably spend his life in prison. You can't go around smashing people to death with your bare hands. He could have taken the Ipad, and called the police. He lost control and, ironically in light of your comments, ruined a decent portion of his own kids lives.

I'm a father of five. I know exactly what it's like to feel that overwhelming sense of protection for your family, but there are laws and rules in place for a reason. Hard as they are to understand at times. But we can't go round killing people or we become part of the problem ourselves.

What good has it done? His kids are going to visit their father in a prison every 2nd weekend. Another man is dead, a man the police were already aware of and presumably in the process of building a case against.

I agree with Raf. I can see exactly why he did it, but he still shouldn't have.




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Post by PaulHv2 on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 9:47 am

At the end of what day, how about every day that ends with Y mate. By even having images like this he is part of the problem, but the fact he was taking images is worse, he had recently taken a picture at a public swimming pool with a child that was not his nor did he know who it was. Full sympathy with the father, not right what he did but in my opinion and as a father myself he's protecting his family, well within his rights to do so.
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Post by Stella on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:02 am

One punch, fair enough, but 20? This man is not the law, and will go down.
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Post by Mind the windows Tino. on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:08 am

hampo171 wrote:well within his rights to do so.

But he isn't though, is he?  He isn't within any rights at all as defined by any set of laws that I'm aware of.

He is obviously within his rights in your arbitrary moral code but that's it.

Where do you draw the line?  What if some guy is driving under the influence, hits a kid on a zebra crossing and kills him?  Do you drag him out of his car and beat him to death?  Or do you let the police and courts apply justice?  Why bother with any form of policing or judiciary?

It's because of the nature of the victims crime, that's it.  You're viewing it as an emotional father and not in the cold light of day.  I can understand, and even respect that to a degree.  As I said, I'm a father myself, but you're on a very slippery slope if we start accepting our own form of justice as 'right'.  A very slippery slope indeed.

It's a few old fables away from ISIS cutting the heads off infidels.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:12 am

Think it depends on the facts of the case which, at the moment, are not known.

If it was one punch then I could forgive him, personally. But if he handed out a beating then I think he knew what he was doing and continued doing, knowing it was inflicting serious damage.

One punch is a reaction, and a totally fair one, he couldn't have known the guy would later die and he didn't set out to kill him.

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Post by seanmichaels on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:21 am

Regardless of what the German did, the bloke should go down for a very long time.

Always think the ability to repeatedly beat someone either unconscious or defenceless is one of the sickest hings you see in this world.

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Post by Stella on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:26 am

seanmichaels wrote:Regardless of what the German did, the bloke should go down for a very long time.

Always think the ability to repeatedly beat someone either unconscious or defenceless  is one of the sickest hings you see in this world.

I agree.
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:31 am

Stella wrote:
seanmichaels wrote:Regardless of what the German did, the bloke should go down for a very long time.

Always think the ability to repeatedly beat someone either unconscious or defenceless  is one of the sickest hings you see in this world.

I agree.  

IF that's what actually happened.

Again, we don't know the facts of the case and reports have differed.

Is a single punch also "one fo the sickest things you see in this world"?

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Post by Galted on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:33 am

Tino and others are closet nonces.
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Post by Mind the windows Tino. on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:33 am

Galted wrote:Tino and others are closet nonces.

Say that to my face and I'll beat you to death.

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Post by Galted on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:34 am

Galted wrote:Tino and others are closet nonces.

Apologies Tino and others. Am in the gym with my friends measuring each others' thighs and biceps and I left my laptop unattended.
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Post by Galted on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:35 am

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:
Galted wrote:Tino and others are closet nonces.

Say that to my face and I'll beat you to death.

In a moment. Just want to use my iPad to film your kid beating you about the kid.
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Post by Stella on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:40 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Stella wrote:
seanmichaels wrote:Regardless of what the German did, the bloke should go down for a very long time.

Always think the ability to repeatedly beat someone either unconscious or defenceless  is one of the sickest hings you see in this world.

I agree.  

IF that's what actually happened.

Again, we don't know the facts of the case and reports have differed.

Is a single punch also "one fo the sickest things you see in this world"?

Not as bad as a repeated beating, well not in my eyes.
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:42 am

I would agree.

I think he's committed a crime and should be punished, but the mitigating cicumstanes should be taken into account in his sentencing.

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Post by Stella on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:42 am

If I was in the same position, I would like to think I'd tell the man to fuc. off, and smash his appliance on the floor. To beat somebody to death (id that's what happened) is pretty gruesome.
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Post by seanmichaels on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:45 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Is a single punch also "one fo the sickest things you see in this world"?

Not at all. It doesn't need Jessica Fletcher for one to realise that Fritz was probably cooked and had nonce tendencies. Same way I wouldn't judge anyone for an emotionally charged attack. Pounding the guys head in is wrong though. Typical of the gym types you see these days. All on steroids, need anger management and have tiny hamptons.

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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 10:52 am

Maybe that's why his blonde bombshell wife was seen throwing his tiny jockstraps out the window?
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Post by seanmichaels on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 11:17 am

No, they were my hankies.....

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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 11:39 am

Did you have to wear ear muffs?
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Post by rick_dagless on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 11:47 am

T-Dog is basically a convict anyhoo, so he should get last say...

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 6:55 pm

I think we have to remember the Madeleine Mccann factor here...........

Certainly puts one on edge on holiday with kids..........

Not just the paedophilic element but who knows If the filming is a preamble to something bigger......

No worse a feeling as a Parent than when you think your kids may be in some sort of danger.......lost Robbie for a few seconds in a shopping center once and that was as scary as hell....

Saying that..... I suppose there is something called resonable force..........

Then again it's not a common situation so what is resonable ??

Yep I'd convict him but give him clemency.........

I have boys........Hampo has girls.................Maybe it's different..a more sensitive issue !!

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Post by Stella on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 7:02 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I think we have to remember the Madeleine Mccann factor here...........

Certainly puts one on edge on holiday with kids..........

Not just the paedophilic element but who knows If the filming  is a preamble to something bigger......

No worse a feeling as a Parent than when you think your kids may be in some sort of danger.......lost Robbie for a few seconds in a shopping center once and that was as scary as hell....

Saying that..... I suppose there is something called resonable force..........

Then again it's not a common situation so what is resonable ??

Yep I'd convict him but give him clemency.........

I have boys........Hampo has girls.................Maybe it's different..a more sensitive issue !!

Couldn't think of anything worse.
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Post by Guest on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 7:11 pm

Whilst the urge to beat the guy is something I can fully understand, the sensible thing to do would have been to call the police informing them that the man had photos of an improper nature and let the authorities deal with it whilst screaming "El Nonceo"* over and over

*not convinced that's the correct term


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Post by ShahenshahG on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 7:13 pm

DAVE667 wrote:Whilst the urge to beat the guy is something I can fully understand, the sensible thing to do would have been to call the police informing them that the man had photos of an improper nature and let the authorities deal with it whilst screaming "El Nonceo"* over and over

*not convinced that's the correct term


If it isn't it ought to be mate. laughing

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Post by Guest on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 7:15 pm

Stella wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I think we have to remember the Madeleine Mccann factor here...........

Certainly puts one on edge on holiday with kids..........

Not just the paedophilic element but who knows If the filming  is a preamble to something bigger......

No worse a feeling as a Parent than when you think your kids may be in some sort of danger.......lost Robbie for a few seconds in a shopping center once and that was as scary as hell....

Saying that..... I suppose there is something called resonable force..........

Then again it's not a common situation so what is resonable ??

Yep I'd convict him but give him clemency.........

I have boys........Hampo has girls.................Maybe it's different..a more sensitive issue !!

Couldn't think of anything worse.
Our daughter went missing in Spain last year for about 30 seconds. My wife went to pieces and I must admit my concern started turning to panic and I've never been so relieved to hear my daughter calling for me


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Post by ShahenshahG on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 7:24 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
Stella wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I think we have to remember the Madeleine Mccann factor here...........

Certainly puts one on edge on holiday with kids..........

Not just the paedophilic element but who knows If the filming  is a preamble to something bigger......

No worse a feeling as a Parent than when you think your kids may be in some sort of danger.......lost Robbie for a few seconds in a shopping center once and that was as scary as hell....

Saying that..... I suppose there is something called resonable force..........

Then again it's not a common situation so what is resonable ??

Yep I'd convict him but give him clemency.........

I have boys........Hampo has girls.................Maybe it's different..a more sensitive issue !!

Couldn't think of anything worse.
Our daughter went missing in Spain last year for about 30 seconds. My wife went to pieces and I must admit my concern started turning to panic and I've never been so relieved to here my daughter calling for me

Aye, never had that happen to me, but someone I knew in school was kidnapped by slavers on the outskirts of Kashmir when she was 7 and was rescued by a passing army unit. Once the frantic family arrived the unit held down the two slavers while her father and brothers slowly and mercilessly beat them within an inch of their lives. I must admit, i'd hope to feel much like most of you and report it to the police but I think my reaction would be much like this fellas.

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Post by Stella on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 7:36 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
Stella wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I think we have to remember the Madeleine Mccann factor here...........

Certainly puts one on edge on holiday with kids..........

Not just the paedophilic element but who knows If the filming  is a preamble to something bigger......

No worse a feeling as a Parent than when you think your kids may be in some sort of danger.......lost Robbie for a few seconds in a shopping center once and that was as scary as hell....

Saying that..... I suppose there is something called resonable force..........

Then again it's not a common situation so what is resonable ??

Yep I'd convict him but give him clemency.........

I have boys........Hampo has girls.................Maybe it's different..a more sensitive issue !!

Couldn't think of anything worse.
Our daughter went missing in Spain last year for about 30 seconds. My wife went to pieces and I must admit my concern started turning to panic and I've never been so relieved to here my daughter calling for me

I bet.
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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 7:37 pm

rick_dagless wrote:T-Dog is basically a convict anyhoo, so he should get last say...

I thought this was some sort of poll about Aussies...
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Thu 12 Feb 2015, 9:07 pm

I've got to say, the use of "well within his rights" (whilst I understand it being a turn of phrase) is hilarious when talking about a man killing someone

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Post by Mind the windows Tino. on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:11 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

I have boys........Hampo has girls.................Maybe it's different..a more sensitive issue !!

I have both. Three girls and two boys. I can assure you, Beefcake, there is no difference. No difference whatsoever. Why would there be? I can't imagine people feel that differently between seeing nonces mess around with boys or girls. It's vile, whatever way round they are.

Still doesn't make it right that he beat the man to death (if indeed, that is what happened).


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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 9:02 am

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

I have boys........Hampo has girls.................Maybe it's different..a more sensitive issue !!

I have both.  Three girls and two boys.  I can assure you, Beefcake, there is no difference.  No difference whatsoever.  Why would there be?  I can't imagine people feel that differently between seeing nonces mess around with boys or girls.  It's vile, whatever way round they are.

Still doesn't make it right that he beat the man to death (if indeed, that is what happened).


Boy, you're quite aggressive this morning, Tino!

Now put that remote control down and the floor and step away from the IQ Box... hands in the air!

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Post by Mind the windows Tino. on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 9:07 am

The Loaded Dog wrote:
Mind the windows Tino. wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

I have boys........Hampo has girls.................Maybe it's different..a more sensitive issue !!

I have both.  Three girls and two boys.  I can assure you, Beefcake, there is no difference.  No difference whatsoever.  Why would there be?  I can't imagine people feel that differently between seeing nonces mess around with boys or girls.  It's vile, whatever way round they are.

Still doesn't make it right that he beat the man to death (if indeed, that is what happened).


Boy, you're quite aggressive this morning, Tino!

Now put that remote control down and the floor and step away from the IQ Box... hands in the air!

And don't even think about that USB drive on the desk!

Do you think?

I don't feel aggressive, T-Dawg, I feel quite chilled out and in love with the world today.

I even have a little bit of love for Trussy. Just a tiny bit though.

Mind the windows Tino.
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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 9:17 am

Fair enough. Even beefcakes need love.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 9:30 am

Just to clarify I have one of each, don't ever remember mentioning that I have two kids on here so I'm worried how Truss knows that Laugh
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Post by Mind the windows Tino. on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 9:35 am

hampo171 wrote:Just to clarify I have one of each, don't ever remember mentioning that I have two kids on here so I'm worried how Truss knows that Laugh

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And people call me a stalker!

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 1:40 pm

BEAT HIM TO DEATH

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Post by ShahenshahG on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 1:57 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:BEAT HIM TO DEATH

He looks like viscera. He's gonna take some beating.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 13 Feb 2015, 2:59 pm

Stalking.....Everybody needs a hobby...

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Post by Pal Joey on Sun 15 Feb 2015, 7:57 am

Lucky he threw away the ipad first. Imagine getting a clubbing with that? Boy, that would hurt.
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